Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

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Rob Battisti said:
You think traditional education is currently teaching children the right questions to ask?
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I think this exchange is pointless because it's apparent you're not interested in what anyone here thinks about this subject unless it's to agree with you.
 
Andy Capp said:
I think this exchange is pointless because it's apparent you're not interested in what anyone here thinks about this subject unless they agree with you.
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I’ve been respectful to those who have engaged honestly. I’ve been respectful to you. @Limbo Pete is choosing to be a dunce.

Andy Capp said:
Look at his questions on this topic. He didn't learn the right questions to ask, IMO.
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Your tribal mindset is leading you to unfortunate conclusions.

Please quote a single thing Pete has said which is contributing to the conversation? He’s avoided every question I’ve asked him.

Please list my questions which apparently aren’t right in your mind?

My questions are, in the incoming age of ASI, what will society look like and why are we as a society willfully ignoring the coming changes? Why are republicans so obsessed when illegal immigrants are “taking jobs” but ignorant of AI which will literally take magnitudes more? How can people not see that in the age of AI that traditional education which hasn’t substantially changed in 50 years is going to be obsolete? What are we going to do when junior level jobs become unavailable because an AI agent can do it better and cheaper? What happens when our unemployment rate goes parabolic? Why are we ignoring the coming need for UBI? How will capitalism fare in a world where labor is next to free?

What will happen to third world countries that depend on industries like call centers when that work becomes automated? What happens to the millions of drivers when autonomous vehicles prevail as a better, safer and more economical option?

These are bad questions?
 
Rob Battisti said:
I’ve been respectful to those who have engaged honestly. I’ve been respectful to you. @Limbo Pete is choosing to be a dunce.


Your tribal mindset is leading you to unfortunate conclusions.

Please quote a single thing Pete has said which is contributing to the conversation? He’s avoided every question I’ve asked him.

Please list my questions which apparently aren’t right in your mind?

My questions are, in the incoming age of ASI, what will society look like and why are we as a society willfully ignoring the coming changes? Why are republicans so obsessed when illegal immigrants are “taking jobs” but ignorant of AI which will literally take magnitudes more? How can people not see that in the age of AI that traditional education which hasn’t substantially changed in 50 years is going to be obsolete? What are we going to do when junior level jobs become unavailable because an AI agent can do it better and cheaper? What happens when our unemployment rate goes parabolic? Why are we ignoring the coming need for UBI? How will capitalism fare in a world where labor is next to free?

What will happen to third world countries that depend on industries like call centers when that work becomes automated? What happens to the millions of drivers when autonomous vehicles prevail as a better, safer and more economical option?

These are bad questions?
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Good guy Rob asking the hard truth questions, like what are we going to do when OmniMuskChatotron makes human intellect obsolete
 
Limbo Pete said:
Good guy Rob asking the hard truth questions, like what are we going to do when OmniMuskChatotron makes human intellect obsolete
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@Andy Capp and I’m not the one being serious? You notice how he avoided the education topic?

Anyway, if you want to continue Andy, it’s these things that concern me. I guess Schmidt is another crazy person..




Rob’s so dumb he hasn’t spent a significant amount of time in this space and literally works in support of this industry and talks to these experts daily…

It’s all nonsense …
 
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Rob Battisti said:
I don’t disagree. My take is once LLM agents continue to progress, energy stabilizes, they can/will work on it continuously until it’s solved. Thats the general idea.
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The thing is we are already seeing LLMs beginning to plateau, with diminishing returns. Their inherent scaling limit means we won't just be able to brute force them with more compute power or data and expect them to progress beyond a certain point.

So it doesn't seem like LLMs will be able to come up a new paradigm for AGI (If that's what you meant by solving it).
 
MeatheadMike said:
The thing is we are already seeing LLMs beginning to plateau, with diminishing returns. Their inherent scaling limit means we won't just be able to brute force them with more compute power or data and expect them to progress beyond a certain point.

So it doesn't seem like LLMs will be able to come up a new paradigm for AGI (If that's what you meant by solving it).
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so your arguing that AGI is impossible or further out?

Agentic progress is what will bring about progress to AGI irrespective of any diminishing returns on LLM power. By then even “good enough” LLMs become powerful when wrapped in memory, feedback loops, environment interaction, and self-improvement.

In other words, agency turns static intelligence into dynamic intelligence. That is why AGI can emerge even if base LLM scaling slows.
 
Also @MeatheadMike are you of the camp ASI is impossible or that you believe it will take longer? If longer, what date range?

I personally think 2035 is a reasonable target. If it’s 2040 or 2045 that’s still not this outrageously distant date.
 
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