Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

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Islam Imamate said:
The industrial revolution didn't replace muscle, it made it more efficient. Industrial technologies make construction and agriculture more productive but they still require labor intensive jobs.
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It was an analogy. Absolutely it replaced muscle what a silly thing to say. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, human and animal physical labor were the main source of productive power. After, they weren’t. You’re disputing that?

Prior to IR, one weaver could produce a small amount of fabric a day through physical labor — after a machine could do 100x. Were there more weavers post IR?

Fields would be plowed by farmers and horses, after engine powered machines did multiples the work.

“Didn’t replace muscle” I know you’re argumentative but that’s stupid of you to say.

With AI, we’re not replacing something physical. We’re going to be replacing cognition. If the world has 2 million accountants, how many will be needed when you can have multiple agents at a fraction of the cost working nonstop with zero errors?

How about office support? 18 million people are paper pushers — what happens when you don’t need to pay Doris 80k to keep track of your files?

Drivers? 3 million of those — when Autonomous vehicles are at scale, what happens to those folks?

Coding? Why hire a junior coder when a senior coder can manage a team of 1000 agents to do the work for a few fractions of the cost?

The first stage will be the lack of junior roles as senior people are still needed. Then no one will be needed.

You act like this is fantasy, it’s already happening. Junior roles are few and far between. Degrees are irrelevant.
 
The fact that people are agreeing with such a stupid comment just shows how tribal you all are.
 
MeatheadMike said:
I think that makes sense for ASI. But we would likely still need some separate form of AGI capable of basic human-like intelligence and problem solving to utilize the LLM agents (similar to how we use them now, but more efficiently), and that is what may require an entirely new paradigm, which may not neccesarily be on the horizon.
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I don’t disagree. My take is once LLM agents continue to progress, energy stabilizes, they can/will work on it continuously until it’s solved. Thats the general idea.
 
Rob Battisti said:
It was an analogy. Absolutely it replaced muscle what a silly thing to say. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, human and animal physical labor were the main source of productive power. After, they weren’t. You’re disputing that?

Prior to IR, one weaver could produce a small amount of fabric a day through physical labor — after a machine could do 100x. Were there more weavers post IR?

Fields would be plowed by farmers and horses, after engine powered machines did multiples the work.

“Didn’t replace muscle” I know you’re argumentative but that’s stupid of you to say.

With AI, we’re not replacing something physical. We’re going to be replacing cognition. If the world has 2 million accountants, how many will be needed when you can have multiple agents at a fraction of the cost working nonstop with zero errors?

How about office support? 18 million people are paper pushers — what happens when you don’t need to pay Doris 80k to keep track of your files?

Drivers? 3 million of those — when Autonomous vehicles are at scale, what happens to those folks?

Coding? Why hire a junior coder when a senior coder can manage a team of 1000 agents to do the work for a few fractions of the cost?

The first stage will be the lack of junior roles as senior people are still needed. Then no one will be needed.

You act like this is fantasy, it’s already happening. Junior roles are few and far between. Degrees are irrelevant.
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Claiming degrees are irrelevant just reveals you as someone who doesn't understand the actual value of education lol
 
yea that's all fine and good, but my blonde neighbor used to be sort of cute.
that is until she got the dreaded 'hair helmet' coif.
now she looks like her old ass mom.
no bueno.
 
Limbo Pete said:
Claiming degrees are irrelevant just reveals you as someone who doesn't understand the actual value of education lol
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Holy smokes — you believe this?

The amount of people with student loans who can’t get jobs. The employment rates for new grads — and you believe this?


Once again, I understand you’re argumentative but what a dumb position to take just to argue.
 
Rob Battisti said:
It was an analogy. Absolutely it replaced muscle what a silly thing to say. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, human and animal physical labor were the main source of productive power. After, they weren’t. You’re disputing that?

Prior to IR, one weaver could produce a small amount of fabric a day through physical labor — after a machine could do 100x. Were there more weavers post IR?

Fields would be plowed by farmers and horses, after engine powered machines did multiples the work.

“Didn’t replace muscle” I know you’re argumentative but that’s stupid of you to say.
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Just going to ignore my point about the continued existence of labor intensive work? Even setting that aside, the IR creates lots of other jobs so whose to say AI wouldn't do that as well?
Rob Battisti said:
With AI, we’re not replacing something physical. We’re going to be replacing cognition. If the world has 2 million accountants, how many will be needed when you can have multiple agents at a fraction of the cost working nonstop with zero errors?

How about office support? 18 million people are paper pushers — what happens when you don’t need to pay Doris 80k to keep track of your files?

Drivers? 3 million of those — when Autonomous vehicles are at scale, what happens to those folks?

Coding? Why hire a junior coder when a senior coder can manage a team of 1000 agents to do the work for a few fractions of the cost?

The first stage will be the lack of junior roles as senior people are still needed. Then no one will be needed.

You act like this is fantasy, it’s already happening. Junior roles are few and far between. Degrees are irrelevant.
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Anything's possible but you might end up waiting on the software equivalent of a flying car or a teleporter.
 
Rob Battisti said:
Holy smokes — you believe this?

The amount of people with student loans who can’t get jobs. The employment rates for new grads — and you believe this?


Once again, I understand you’re argumentative but what a dumb position to take just to argue.
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Do you think there's a statistically significant difference in the employment rates and earnings of workers with and without degrees?
 
Islam Imamate said:
Just going to ignore my point about the continued existence of labor intensive work? Even setting that aside, the IR creates lots of other jobs so whose to say AI wouldn't do that as well?

Anything's possible but you might end up waiting on the software equivalent of a flying car or a teleporter.
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I didn’t ignore it. I’ve said that IR created jobs but the ASI revolution absolutely won’t and I’ve stated why.

I didn’t say this is happening tomorrow. It is likely to unfurl over the next 10-15 years.
 
Rob Battisti said:
Holy smokes — you believe this?

The amount of people with student loans who can’t get jobs. The employment rates for new grads — and you believe this?


Once again, I understand you’re argumentative but what a dumb position to take just to argue.
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It's a dumb position to think education has value? Christ, man. Does your brain look like split pea soup? Next up, you're gonna tell us Ultra Mega Chat will replace/free us from K12.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Do you think there's a statistically significant difference in the employment rates and earnings of workers with and without degrees?
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I think that 45% of Gen Z realizes already that their degrees are useless with the advent of AI.

I think that over the next 10-15 years(and it’s absolutely already started) degrees and our educational system will be outrageously outdated.

In 10-15 years a college degree will be completely irrelevant.

Our public education system is so completely behind the curve already as to be laughable. Our college system is already a farce and will be obviously irrelevant within the next decade to decade and a half.

Actually — way sooner
 
Limbo Pete said:
It's a dumb position to think education has value? Christ, man. Does your brain look like split pea soup? Next up, you're gonna tell us Ultra Mega Chat will replace/free us from K12.
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I think that traditional education(public schools and college)is absolutely losing value and is on the pathway to irrelevance — absolutely.
 
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