Social War Room Lounge 318: Propaganda Extravaganza

[HereticBD]

These numbers are meaningless though bruh. Trump could be up by 100pts. If he's the nominee he gets obligated by Biden or a dead Bin Laden. He's the greatest definition of unelectable we have seen in our lifetime, maybe we'll ever see.

No, the numbers mean a lot. Again, he's winning nationally, and everyone already knows he's the nominee, barring death. Biden is an utter catastrophe to a whole lot of people, for a whole lot of reasons. That's gonna turn heads to his opposition, no matter who it is. Trump is not un-electable by any stretch, and it's ridiculous to suggest such a thing. He's literally the guy who got the second most votes in history. That's not "un-electable". That's VERY "electable". Mondale was un-electable. Trump is merely a catastrophic Biden term away from a landslide victory, which seems to be set in motion at this point in time.

 

[MMAisGod]

No, the numbers mean a lot. Again, he's winning nationally, and everyone already knows he's the nominee, barring death. Biden is an utter catastrophe to a whole lot of people, for a whole lot of reasons. That's gonna turn heads to his opposition, no matter who it is. Trump is not un-electable by any stretch, and it's ridiculous to suggest such a thing. He's literally the guy who got the second most votes in history. That's not "un-electable". That's VERY "electable". Mondale was un-electable. Trump is merely a catastrophic Biden term away from a landslide victory, which seems to be set in motion at this point in time.

Did you have that same opinion when Hillary was a bazillion points ahead of Trump early on and took the L lol. They always are up for changes, especiallyyyyyy this early. Trump himself was some 1-2% dude at one point too before he eventually won later on. Way too early too take any numbers seriously.

Also saying Trump got "the second most votes ever" in an election that was, let's call it for obvious reasons, unique, while losing to the ACTUAL "most votes ever" makes no sense hahaha. He literally lost to the guy who is the current President. But nevertheless, the biggest part is I just don't think you understand that you could resurrect prime Joseph Stalin from his grave and he'd beat Trump. Prime Osama Bin Laden would beat Trump. The "red wave" that ended up a toilet bowl flush would pale in comparison to the embarrassing loss Trump would have in 2024. A lot of people aren't even going to vote for Biden or a potential replacement of him if he left. They're going to vote against Trump, the anti-Trump vote, which is the strongest force in the universe.

 

[HereticBD]

Did you have that same opinion when Hillary was a bazillion points ahead of Trump early on and took the L lol. They always are up for changes, especiallyyyyyy this early. Trump himself was some 1-2% dude at one point too before he eventually won later on. Way too early too take any numbers seriously.

I agree that it's early, but numbers do matter, especially when the two candidates are already locked in. Look around. People are not happy under Biden.

Also saying Trump got "the second most votes ever" in an election that was, let's call it for obvious reasons, unique, while losing to the ACTUAL "most votes ever" makes no sense hahaha.

What doesn't make sense? It's facts. Trump is so hated that....he got 74,000,000 people to vote for him. Biden has lost support since then. Trump has gained support since then. Minds change.

He literally lost to the guy who is the current President. But nevertheless, the biggest part is I just don't think you understand that you could resurrect prime Joseph Stalin from his grave and he'd beat Trump. Prime Osama Bin Laden would beat Trump. The "red wave" that ended up a toilet bowl flush would pale in comparison to the embarrassing loss Trump would have in 2024. A lot of people aren't even going to vote for Biden or a potential replacement of him if he left. They're going to vote against Trump, the anti-Trump vote, which is the strongest force in the universe.

But that's just a bunch of nonsense. A lot of the "anti-Trump" vote is being lost, via economic hardship, Israel, broken promises, etc.

Things change, brah. He didn't lose by 7 million votes or whatever, BTW. He lost by mere 10's of thousands in swing states that are currently trending Trump. Trump actually leading in the popular vote, which are what these polls point to, pretty much makes him a lock.

 

[MMAisGod]

I agree that it's early, but numbers do matter, especially when the two candidates are already locked in. Look around. People are not happy under Biden.


What doesn't make sense? It's facts. Trump is so hated that....he got 74,000,000 people to vote for him. Biden has lost support since then. Trump has gained support since then. Minds change.


But that's just a bunch of nonsense. A lot of the "anti-Trump" vote is being lost, via economic hardship, Israel, broken promises, etc.

Things change, brah. He didn't lose by 7 million votes or whatever, BTW. He lost by mere 10's of thousands in swing states that are currently trending Trump. Trump actually leading in the popular vote, which are what these polls point to, pretty much makes him a lock.

Sounds like this can only be resolved one way. I'm already taking Whippy's AV for 6 months after Trump loses if he's the nominee. You want to put your sig up? I could use some easy bet wins to bolster my way up to title contention.

 

[HereticBD]

Sounds like this can only be resolved one way. I'm already taking Whippy's AV for 6 months after Trump loses if he's the nominee. You want to put your sig up? I could use some easy bet wins to bolster my way up to title contention.

Nah, it's too early for that shit, although I applaud your wrecklessness. I'm not claiming he's definitely gonna win at this point. I'm saying he's a serious threat, and is trending rather favorably. Anything can happen, though. Talk to me in June or July about that.

 

[Lead]

I agree that it's early, but numbers do matter, especially when the two candidates are already locked in. Look around. People are not happy under Biden.


What doesn't make sense? It's facts. Trump is so hated that....he got 74,000,000 people to vote for him. Biden has lost support since then. Trump has gained support since then. Minds change.


But that's just a bunch of nonsense. A lot of the "anti-Trump" vote is being lost, via economic hardship, Israel, broken promises, etc.

Things change, brah. He didn't lose by 7 million votes or whatever, BTW. He lost by mere 10's of thousands in swing states that are currently trending Trump. Trump actually leading in the popular vote, which are what these polls point to, pretty much makes him a lock.

I’d possibly be closer to your arguments if there hadn’t been the fallout of 2020. I don’t think polling that early matters. Hasn’t show to be very predictive this far out. What we do have for data is the elections since he went full fraud narrative. That narrative has lost again and again. Secretary of states, potential governors wrecked taking that narrative. I don’t think the majority of Americans want someone who won’t admit he lost, tried getting his VP to decertify the election, says things like suspend the constitution, and now this more vile anti-immigration rhetoric. It isn’t the same 2016 or even 2020 campaign at this point.

Beyond that, the argument for not nominating him isn’t just a calculation of whether he could win. Why should the party nominate someone who won’t acknowledge he lost the last election and tried to have his VP and others in the party in congress to overturn the election? Do you think that behavior is acceptable? That’s such a low bar for the country to ask for. It’s embarrassing that hasn’t plummeted his support. “Biden is bad” arguments are expected but I don’t see how it in any way makes Trump being a nominee or voted for acceptable. There’s some things I take issue with Biden like his attempt cancelling student loans but that pales into comparison for the institutional damage a 2nd Trump term would cause. I don’t buy the WW3 stuff or believing Trump someone would help avert that. It’s so short sighted too. Hardly caring about any of those things because of a cult of personality for whatever reasons.

 

[Lead]

Nah, it's too early for that shit, although I applaud your wrecklessness. I'm not claiming he's definitely gonna win at this point. I'm saying he's a serious threat, and is trending rather favorably. Anything can happen, though. Talk to me in June or July about that.

In a race with two options, you can’t really count someone out. That’s part of my point why it’s so fucked up the party is still supporting him.

 

[Lead]

Like are we still in a place where people really think Trump is a good guy? Is this a person who should have control of a federal branch?

 

[Lead]

How can you find it acceptable to still support a person who asked his VP to overturn the election? Cause it isn’t. This isn’t partisan at all if you really try to step back from the past 6 years and try to sober up. I mean, this is like an abusive relationship where the party just won’t accept Trump is bad because of how close they’ve become and the gaslighting that has ensued. And I don’t enjoy the term gaslighting but there can’t be a better word for what he’s made 2020 about for his own personal benefit.

 

[MMAisGod]

Like are we still in a place where people really think Trump is a good guy? Is this a person who should have control of a federal branch?

Some people might still think Trump is "targeted by the establishment" or something like that, so they might see him as the victim, which would explain still supporting him. Or FOX makes Biden look so corrupt that they believe they're "equally corrupt but Trump is better" since they aren't as educated politically with the ins and outs. Or a combination of those two for some. I don't think many people are like "I know he's ultra corrupt but that's my guy right there he's amazing". Lots of manipulation and lack of knowledge I'd say.

 

[Lead]

Some people might still think Trump is "targeted by the establishment" or something like that, so they might see him as the victim, which would explain still supporting him. Or FOX makes Biden look so corrupt that they believe they're "equally corrupt but Trump is better" since they aren't as educated politically with the ins and outs. Or a combination of those two for some. I don't think many people are like "I know he's ultra corrupt but that's my guy right there he's amazing". Lots of manipulation and lack of knowledge I'd say.

I suppose. I haven’t seen anyone disagree that he tried to overturn the election with Pence. I don’t get how that fact in itself stopped all this. Like sure, it’s sucks to have to move away from someone you supported but that’s a whole lot better than just continuing like that didn’t happen. And yea, I get there’s plenty out there making Biden seem terrible so people think it’s lesser of two evils but come on. Trump doesn’t have to be the other nominee, that’s what I have a problem with. A primary vote for the guy just isn’t okay. There’s so much rot in this country if he just coasts to the nomination. Everyone likes to shit on DC and politicians being the problem but there isn’t enough scrutiny about voters. We nearly talk as if a win validates them somehow. I don’t think that always the case. You can win an election and put a really really shitty person in the seat. That doesn’t mean you did anything good.

 

[Lead]

How is voting for Trump as a nominee or in the general seen as acceptable behavior post 2020?

I’m someone who was against both impeachments too btw. I’m not just hating cause I was triggered about him winning 2016 or whatever the label for a Trump hater is. I think a logical person could say they supported him before 2020 and no longer do. Supporting him now has so much baggage to it that it’s nearly UnAmerican.

 

[Mr Holmes]

How is voting for Trump as a nominee or in the general seen as acceptable behavior post 2020?

I’m someone who was against both impeachments too btw. I’m not just hating cause I was triggered about him winning 2016 or whatever the label for a Trump hater is. I think a logical person could say they supported him before 2020 and no longer do. Supporting him now has so much baggage to it that it’s nearly UnAmerican.

People are willing to forgive/forget a lot if they believe it will improve their quality of life.

 

[Lead]

People are willing to forgive/forget a lot if they believe it will improve their standard of life.

I find that disappointing. If this is the most flack a politician gets for making such an attempt, others will take note of it and try it in the future. I might have some sympathy for those in more unfortunate economic situations but that can’t explain nearly half of the base supporting him in the primary. Polls look to break between high school and college education but I haven’t seen anything with an income breakout yet.

 

[MMAisGod]

If this is the most flack a politician gets for making such an attempt, others will take note of it and try it in the future.

Well tbh, why shouldn't they? The days of most people actually caring about the integrity of a politician is over. This political sub forum is less than 1% of how a real life conversation goes. The amount of people that actually value what policy is being implemented or how effective it is or actually know what is happening beyond a headline on Twitter has become so marginal that it might as well not exist. Everything now is football, a team sport. Two teams playing and you root for your team to win, and the fans will throw eggs at you if you say anything good about the other team when they score. Others are there to recruit people to their team, not to teach them about the team. Trump is a team potentially heading to the championship game, you can't abandon your team in the big game.

That's what politics has become now. And it's never going back at this point. Don't even look at Trump. The DeSantis/Newsom debate was very entertaining, but garbage because they both did so terrible in so many ways. I expected so much better from both. And I like both guys a lot, two of my favorites, but objectively they stunk it up in a big moment. Ask people? Liberal says Newsom destroyed him. Republican says DeSantis destroyed him. Objectivity is dead bro. It's all "my team must always win". So as a politician you shouldn't even care what you do, just win people so you can be rich and have power.

 

[My Spot]

I find that disappointing. If this is the most flack a politician gets for making such an attempt, others will take note of it and try it in the future. I might have some sympathy for those in more unfortunate economic situations but that can’t explain nearly half of the base supporting him in the primary. Polls look to break between high school and college education but I haven’t seen anything with an income breakout yet.

Kayfabe. Just like Democrats chose Biden and Hillary, two people responsible for the invasion of Iraq, over someone like Bernie or Tulsi.

 

[curryjunkie]

Sounds like this can only be resolved one way. I'm already taking Whippy's AV for 6 months after Trump loses if he's the nominee. You want to put your sig up? I could use some easy bet wins to bolster my way up to title contention.

Good luck taking his AV if he loses, we have an account bet on it..

 

[irish_thug]

Good luck taking his AV if he loses, we have an account bet on it..

Account bets are not enforced, AV bets are.

 

[HereticBD]

I find that disappointing.

That's a rather privileged position to have, though. You're basically telling struggling people to suck it up and take one for the team. They're not playing a baseball game with a rib injury. This is their lives, and you might not have such strong opinions if it was you struggling to feed your family under Biden, and remembering the pre-COVID days under Trump when you weren't.

 

[curryjunkie]

Account bets are not enforced, AV bets are.

then if i win and he doesnt delete his account he will forever be known as a spineless welcher......win win..