Wanderlei Silva gets lifetime ban

[jeremyemilio]

No precedence for this. Should have warned fighters that from now on if you refuse a test you will be banned for life. Should have banned Wand 2 years like Chael. They are setting an example with Wanderlei.

Again....no precedence. Overeem ran and got a 9 month suspension. That is it.

Bullshit decision. Give him 2 years (which is still harsh) at the most and then announce "From this day forward if you run you will have a lifetime ban"


Commission:

Commisioner to Overeem: Overeem, you ran but we like you and you are polite so you only get a 9 month ban.

Commisioner to Wanderlei: Wanderlei, even though there is no precedence we are giving you a lifetime ban for your 1st offense.

Bunch of clowns

Wand's mistake, from what I gather, is that not only did he run, but then he pretty much admitted that he ran because he knew he'd fail.

Reem played dumb.

The NSAC is not your dad. They aren't going to let you off easy because you were honest.

Deny, deny, deny.

 

[Hans Gruber]

He will never learn. I have left him looking like a fool many times and he just closes the thread and then reappears in the next one and it repeats again

Hahaha. He always appears and picks fights and starts things off by calling me names. Must suck to always be wrong. That Aussie's logic stinks worse than Vegemite.

 

[Mau]

Fuck the nsac

 

[kmeyers]

That's simply not true. The UFC are just not allowed to use him as a fighter in NEVADA. They can technically fight him in any other jurisdiction. But all of the other AC's in the country would enforce the fine as well. Also, the UFC wouldn't go against them because they are so dependent of the AC's. Thumbing their noses at them would just make life incredibly hard and Wand just aint worth that.

Wand is also free to peruse his a living in any field that he wants too. If that field is professional fighting, he has to pay the fine and serve his suspension fist. No one is denying anyone anything that they are not legally allowed to.

He can't serve a lifetime ban. That is completely unreasonable.

That's not how it works at all. The UFC is under no obligation to scheduled fights in a certain timeframe. I would love to know where you heard that.

They don't have to to any of that. The contracts state that Wand has to fight for them exclusively for a certain number of fights.

In a certain amount of time. Most if not all contracts stipulate some sort of time frame, otherwise the fighter is potentially owned forever if the UFC wants to drag out their contract until the end of time. Contracts are made to protect both sides.

If he fights those fights, he gets payed. if he doesn't he doesn't. After that contract is up, he was the ability to renegotiate or seek another contract in another org.

The UFC can just not scheduled him for as long as they please and are within their rights to do it. IF it goes to court all they need to do is point to his indefinite ban and unpaid fine.

No they can't. They can not shelve him forever and stop him or any fighter from making a living indefinitely. They have to offer fighters fights in a certain time frame.

Randy was making this same argument. But Wand has something he didn't. A lifetime ban, and the UFC can't offer him fights anymore, or go against the Commission, which they will not do. If Randy wanted to come out of retirement, he had to do it in the UFC, but Wand cannot do that because of the ban.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Wand's mistake, from what I gather, is that not only did he run, but then he pretty much admitted that he ran because he knew he'd fail.

Reem played dumb.

The NSAC is not your dad. They aren't going to let you off easy because you were honest.

Deny, deny, deny.

Apparently.

The 1st time Overeem ran he didn't even get punished. He did exactly what Wand did and fled the country.

The 2nd time Overeem ran they got him to come back and take the test and he failed it. He only got a 9 month suspension despite running twice. You would think that they would look back at the 1st time that he ran with more scrutiny after a running again and then failing a drug test. They complimented him instead and gave him a reduced sentence.

 

[aker2703]

The only thing that isn't the same about the situations is that Overeem ran twice and what he did was worse than what Silva did.

You are showing yourself to be a complete dumbass as usual.

It wouldn't surprise me if you were one of the commissioners.

After UFC 141 a drug test was announced. Overeem fled but everyone else stayed and took the test. He went to Holland and claimed that his assistant didn't contact him until 3 days later. He didn't even get a slap on the wrist

After a UFC 146 press conference they tell all the fighters to stick around for a drug test. Overeem tries to flee for a 2nd time. Kizer gets ahold of him on the phone personally and tells him he is in deep shit. He ends up going back and taking the test this time and fails.

Even though the commission now knows that Overeem fled 2 times and failed a drug test they compliment him, kiss his ass, and ask for a lighter than usual suspension of 9 months.

That is how the situations are different. The commission's behavior and punishment. What Wansderlei and Overeem actually did was the same thing except that Wanderlei only fled once.

the part in bold is not correct (surprising that you got something wrong ) Keith Kizer informed both managers of Brock and Overeem, that they had to take a test (at a accredited facility) within 24 hours. Overeem claimed he was already on a plane (never discredited at the commission hearing) and explained that he only got the news 3 days later. He then took the test (the wrong one, but that's another story).

Now if you want to think his story is complete Bullshit by all means (i do), but the situations are not the same as Wand never took the test.

Now for the record the nine months Overeem got was a joke. but again, they are not the same.

 

[Kinger85]

Knew he was going to be made an example of.

Not saying I fully agree with it, but could see it coming a mile away.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

Wand's mistake, from what I gather, is that not only did he run, but then he pretty much admitted that he ran because he knew he'd fail.

Reem played dumb.

The NSAC is not your dad. They aren't going to let you off easy because you were honest.

Deny, deny, deny.

No no, FIRST he said he ran because he couldn't read English, or something.

Then after he had safely fled they country it was "yeah I ran because I was totally taking banned substances that I knew were banned before hand BUT IT WAS ONLY TO HELP CUT WEIGHT I SWEAR."

 

[Azathoth]

I'm speechless! This life ban has Dana's greasy fat fingers all over it.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

the part in bold is not correct (surprising that you got something wrong ) Keith Kizer informed both managers of Brock and Overeem, that they had to take a test (at a accredited facility) within 24 hours. Overeem claimed he was already on a plane (never discredited at the commission hearing) and explained that he only got the news 3 days later. He then took the test (the wrong one, but that's another story).

Now if you want to think his story is complete Bullshit by all means (i do), but the situations are not the same as Wand never took the test.

Now for the record the nine months Overeem got was a joke. but again, they are not the same.

So far they're (Hans and the other guy) arguments fall to little more than "Hey they got it wrong for a guy I don't like, so THEY HAVE TO ALSO GET IT WRONG FOR THE GUY I DO LIKE OR ELSE CORRUPTION"

 

[aker2703]

Please leave

because when you do get shown up which you will soon you just decide to move to another thread and forget about this one yet still act the sameway

please shut up, because you are a welching idiot. How you can show your face after welching on two bets is a fucking joke.

 

[aker2703]

So far they're (Hans and the other guy) arguments fall to little more than "Hey they got it wrong for a guy I don't like, so THEY HAVE TO ALSO GET IT WRONG FOR THE GUY I DO LIKE OR ELSE CORRUPTION"

Hans is cool, we never agree but that's fine. The other guy (if you mean UL) well he is a welcher and a joke....so his opinion is irrelevant.

 

[Hans Gruber]

the part in bold is not correct (surprising that you got something wrong ) Keith Kizer informed both managers of Brock and Overeem, that they had to take a test (at a accredited facility) within 24 hours. Overeem claimed he was already on a plane (never discredited at the commission hearing) and explained that he only got the news 3 days later. He then took the test (the wrong one, but that's another story).

Now if you want to think his story is complete Bullshit by all means (i do), but the situations are not the same as Wand never took the test.

Now for the record the nine months Overeem got was a joke. but again, they are not the same.

I didn't get anything wrong at all.

I already posted that. Overeem bought himself a ton of time before taking the test. He claimed that his assistant didn't contact him until 3 days later. Then he waited 4 days before taking the test (not to mention the taking the wrong test which bought him more time)etc. The whole thing was a joke. He obviously waited until everything was out of his system.

He still ran. Wanderlei offered to take a test later too (like Overeem) but the commission didn't accept it (even though they did from Overeem)

Overeem never even got punished for his 1st offense. That is my point. NSAC handled these 2 same situations totally different.

I don't know why anyone would try to say that they didn't do the same thing.

 

[giusti825]

Not unless the other AC's cooperate with the Nevada AC.

Which they absolutely would, and it's pretty silly to think they wouldn't.

If a commission tried that, the fighter would immediately cancel his fight and fight elsewhere.

Also, the other commission would need authority to do that, which they likely do not have.

 

[giusti825]

Or, just the other state commission to say, "Hey, you own Navada this money, you have to agree to pay it out of your purse or you don't get licensed here."

Fighter: k....bye. Fighting elsewhere, you will collect no tax money from my fight.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

He can't serve a lifetime ban. That is completely unreasonable.

Its not a lifetime ban, it is an indefinite suspension.

http://mmajunkie.com/2014/09/nsac-issues-lifetime-ban-70000-fine-for-wanderlei-silva

Ariel is a hack, don't listen to him.

In a certain amount of time. Most if not all contracts stipulate some sort of time frame, otherwise the fighter is potentially owned forever if the UFC wants to drag out their contract until the end of time. Contracts are made to protect both sides.

This is where you are wrong. They just don't don't.

This is the relevant section of the UFC fighter contract. NNo mention of timefremes, and refusing to pay an AC fine can be constituted as "refusing to participate" on Wands side.

Randy was making this same argument. But Wand has something he didn't. A lifetime ban, and the UFC can't offer him fights anymore, or go against the Commission, which they will not do. If Randy wanted to come out of retirement, he had to do it in the UFC, but Wand cannot do that because of the ban.

Which is why Randy has not come out of retirement, and when he did the first time, it was with the UFC. This is pretty much proving my point.

 

[Kleinschuster]

*lol* for what reason? because he "ran"
vitor, who got busted several times can fight, but Wand gets lt ban
bs as usual ^^

 

[giusti825]

I would just like to point out that so far in the poll results, the only two mods who have voted, both voted NOT to ban.

How's that for irony.

The mods have become nicer here at sherdog.....lol.

 

[Mondo Freaks]

Wand deserve it IMO. He knew he was breaking the rules and tried to run.

 

[kmeyers]

Which is why Randy has not come out of retirement, and when he did the first time, it was with the UFC. This is pretty much proving my point.

Because Randy still COULD fight for the UFC. Wand now can not.