Wanderlei Silva gets lifetime ban

[SerrabyTKO]

Chael are Barnett can fail test 3 times and still fight again but Wand gets a lifetime ban?

They cooperated, admitted their crimes, and payed their fines. They also had wiggle room in the grey area of pre-banned TRT. (At least Chael did.)

They didn't flee the country and retire out of spite.

Second its not a lifetime ban. it's an indefinite ban.

 

[Hans Gruber]

i don't like either of you, but i think hans is right here. they seem similar and AO seems to have messed up worse than wand.

Hahaha. We are only enemies in the War Room (and I hardly post there anymore) I don't mind you or Jack in the MMA forums though.

Do you always have double yellow cards? Just change your AV to those even when they go away. hahaha

 

[hadrian999]

tell me how that worked out for Ken Shamrock, oh wait let me tell you he owes the UFC 175,000 in legal costs.

shamrock wasn't banned for life, but again the contractual obligations and NSAC punishments aren't directly related to each other

 

[giusti825]

Reeks of UFC influence. No one gets a lifetime ban for first offense.

I'm kinda leaning this way too. I kinda think wand was holding out on signing the bout agreement because it was a huge fight and wand wanted more money for it. Until someone made a phone call to their favorite athletic commission.

The NSAC never did anything like this before. Testing unlicensed fighters, violating their own rules. This has outside influence written all over it.

 

[aker2703]

HAHAHAHA! You are the one calling me stupid when you keep proving my point.

Overeem ran and was treated differently you moron.

That was the whole point.

What Overeem did was actually worse than Silva. He ran twice and only got 9 months out of the whole thing and was called "nice and respectful" by the commission as they gushed over him.

You are the only one that doesn't get it. Even Hollywood Nicky is siding with me and he hates me.

wow you really are stupid. If you can't see the difference between the two situations, then me pointing them out over and over is a waste of my time.

All i know is Wand is done, and i couldn't be happier that a drug cheat is sidelined for a long ass time.

 

[Ogg]

Wand was told to return and fled to Brazil.

Didn't the NSAC go to Brazil to test him? How could Silva flee to Brazil is he already was there?

Overeem was the one who fled the continent.

 

[aker2703]

shamrock wasn't banned for life, but again the contractual obligations and NSAC punishments aren't directly related to each other

My point was Shamrock fought the UFC in court and got his ass handed to him. Same thing happened to Couture.

Wand hiring a slick lawyer to try to get out of his contract, is a really, really bad idea.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

to you it may be. To me it isn't.

#1 on my list of priorities is a clean sport (well as clean as possible) not government overreach.

I share your sentiment but the best way to do it is through an independent 3rd party agency, not NSAC. NSAC at the end of the day is too inconsistent and too deeply involved in casino politics to be reliable.

If it's a fighter that is still generating revenue for zuffa like Reem or Vitor, they will give them numerous chances to redeem themselves. If it's someone who has taken the stance of speaking against zuffa, NSAC will rule differently. It's very political when it should be an unbiased decision making policy.

 

[UL]

wow you really are stupid. If you can't see the difference between the two situations, then me pointing them out over and over is a waste of my time.

All i know is Wand is done, and i couldn't be happier that a drug cheat is sidelined for a long ass time.

Please leave

because when you do get shown up which you will soon you just decide to move to another thread and forget about this one yet still act the sameway

 

[aker2703]

Didn't the NSAC go to Brazil to test him? How could Silva flee to Brazil is he already was there?

Overeem was the one who fled the continent.

No he was in Vegas. He just did the 175 press conference. after running from the NSAC rep, he fled to Brazil (and was never tested).

 

[Hans Gruber]

wow you really are stupid. If you can't see the difference between the two situations, then me pointing them out over and over is a waste of my time.

All i know is Wand is done, and i couldn't be happier that a drug cheat is sidelined for a long ass time.

The only thing that isn't the same about the situations is that Overeem ran twice and what he did was worse than what Silva did (because Silva only ran once)

You are showing yourself to be a complete dumbass as usual.

It wouldn't surprise me if you were one of the commissioners.

After UFC 141 a drug test was announced. Overeem fled but everyone else stayed and took the test. He went to Holland and claimed that his assistant didn't contact him until 3 days later. He didn't even get a slap on the wrist

After a UFC 146 press conference they tell all the fighters to stick around for a drug test. Overeem tries to flee for a 2nd time. Kizer gets ahold of him on the phone personally and tells him he is in deep shit. He ends up going back and taking the test this time and fails.

Even though the commission now knows that Overeem fled 2 times and failed a drug test they compliment him, kiss his ass, and ask for a lighter than usual suspension of 9 months.

That is how the situations are different. The commission's behavior and punishment. What Wanderlei and Overeem actually did was the same thing except that Wanderlei only fled once.

 

[aker2703]

I share your sentiment but the best way to do it is through an independent 3rd party agency, not NSAC. NSAC at the end of the day is too inconsistent and too deeply involved in casino politics to be reliable.

If it's a fighter that is still generating revenue for zuffa like Reem or Vitor, they will give them numerous chances to redeem themselves. If it's someone who has taken the stance of speaking against zuffa, NSAC will rule differently. It's very political when it should be an unbiased decision making policy.

If i in any way in this thread made it seem i want the NSAC to be in control of random (24/7 365) testing then let me clear that up. The NSAC is a fucking joke and i want then nowhere near anything like this.

USADA, WADA or even VADA is who should be used to randomly test fighters. The UFC should set up an Independent panel to adjudicate penalties for fighters that are found to have failed.

 

[giusti825]

That's simply not true. The UFC are just not allowed to use him as a fighter in NEVADA. They can technically fight him in any other jurisdiction. But all of the other AC's in the country would enforce the fine as well. Also, the UFC wouldn't go against them because they are so dependent of the AC's. Thumbing their noses at them would just make life incredibly hard and Wand just aint worth that.

Wand is also free to peruse his a living in any field that he wants too. If that field is professional fighting, he has to pay the fine and serve his suspension fist. No one is denying anyone anything that they are not legally allowed to.



That's not how it works at all. The UFC is under no obligation to scheduled fights in a certain timeframe. I would love to know where you heard that.

They don't have to to any of that. The contracts state that Wand has to fight for them exclusively for a certain number of fights. If he fights those fights, he gets payed. if he doesn't he doesn't. After that contract is up, he was the ability to renegotiate or seek another contract in another org.

The UFC can just not scheduled him for as long as they please and are within their rights to do it. IF it goes to court all they need to do is point to his indefinite ban and unpaid fine.

3.2 ZUFFA shall promote and Fighter shall participate in the minimum number of Bouts set forth in Article IV below. For purposes hereof, ZUFFA shall be deemed to have complied with its obligations to promote any Bout if ZUFFA shall have made an offer to Fighter to promote a Bout in accordance with the provisions hereof and Fighter shall have refused to participate. If a Bout is the undercard to a main event and the main event is canceled or postponed for any reason, the failure of such Bout to take place shall not be deemed non-performance by ZUFFA and ZUFFA shall not be Iiable for Fighter's Purse associated therewith (as defined herein).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-the-ufcs-top-secret-fighter-contract/page/4

 

[Hans Gruber]

No he was in Vegas. He just did the 175 press conference. after running from the NSAC rep, he fled to Brazil (and was never tested).

Just like Overeem except that Overeem fled to Holland and never even got suspended for it.

Why do I destroy you ever time we debate? No wonder you kicked things off by calling me an "idiot" because you are tired of me destroying you

 

[giusti825]

Wanderlei had a license that had expired, as I posted the commission can still take action. Not to mention he fit the definition of a contestant to start with.

Contestant, yes. Licensee, no.

In the section of the regulation dealing with disciplinary action, contestant is never mentioned. Only licensee.

 

[Pudgy**]

Good

 

[SerrabyTKO]

3.2 ZUFFA shall promote and Fighter shall participate in the minimum number of Bouts set forth in Article IV below. For purposes hereof, ZUFFA shall be deemed to have complied with its obligations to promote any Bout if ZUFFA shall have made an offer to Fighter to promote a Bout in accordance with the provisions hereof and Fighter shall have refused to participate. If a Bout is the undercard to a main event and the main event is canceled or postponed for any reason, the failure of such Bout to take place shall not be deemed non-performance by ZUFFA and ZUFFA shall not be Iiable for Fighter's Purse associated therewith (as defined herein).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-the-ufcs-top-secret-fighter-contract/page/4

Now find the paragraph that covers what happens when a fighter is under suspension and that should about cover it for you.

And also there is no time frame stipulated in the paragraph you posted. Just like I said.

EDIT: And refusing to comply with an Athletic commission fine would be counted as "refusing to participate" if Wand tries to take this to court.

Boom. Lawyered.

 

[UL]

Just like Overeem except that Overeem fled to Holland and never even got suspended for it.

Why do I destroy you ever time we debate? No wonder you kicked things off by calling me an "idiot" because you are tired of me destroying you

He will never learn. I have left him looking like a fool many times and he just closes the thread and then reappears in the next one and it repeats again

 

[Dionysian]

Wand = runs from the test, bashes the UFC = lifetime ban
Overeem = runs from the test, doesn't bash the UFC = 9 month suspension

Sonnen = positive for PEDs, retiring = 2 year suspension everywhere
Belfort = positive for PEDs, upcoming draw = given title shot, "suspension" until said title shot is awarded

People have the order wrong when they said Wand knew a punishment was coming so he got in front of it. No way in hell the punishment would be this had he not crossed Zuffa. It is mind-boggling how people still aren't clear on the corporate influence on the NSAC. Look at the damn dichotomies above if you have any doubt whatsoever.

 

[MyPainYourGain]

1-2 year ban would be normal but this is crazy