Wachowski Siblings Become Wachowski Sisters

shadow_priest_x said:
Nice post.

But one correction. I never actually said that the Wachowski's are doing what they're doing "only for themselves," what I said--earlier on in the thread--is that I'm not convinced at this point that it's a cause that actually should be promoted. They're doing very strange things to their bodies and trying to completely subvert nature's decisions, and saying that it's okay for people to do this, and I'm just not sure that's true. But I will say this: Regardless of whether this is a good thing or not, which ultimately is a matter of opinion when we really get down to it, I'll grant that intention plays a role: If they genuinely believe that what they are doing is right and good, and that by making this choice and being so public about it they are intending to help others, then perhaps in some sense it is heroic. Heroic-by-intention, I'd say.

But yeah, I'm still not sure we should be championing this shit. Consider this scenario: A girl who is a cutter starts posting videos on YouTube, slashing her fucking arms up and saying how she's trying to make people realize that it's a normal and acceptable behavior, and that cutters should be accepted just for who they are. Would you call her courageous and heroic? No, you'd say, "We need to get this bitch to a doctor and so we can fix this shit."
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That guy comment incoming.

Anyone else think it's kinda weird?
shadow_priest_x said:
I dunno, man. I'm not sure if it's an "agenda" so much as a few high-profile people did it and opened the floodgates for everyone else who has had similar thoughts.

Let me ask you this, though. I'm just curious about your specific reasoning. You have said several times that it's fucked up but haven't given your thoughts about WHY it's fucked up. So why exactly do you think it's fucked up?
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I wouldn't say it's fucked up. If it genuinely makes them happier people then I'm all for it.

The essential problem is that the stats around transgender people post surgery are fairly disconcerting. Something like 40% attempt suicide and close to the same amount regret having the surgery itself.

The other thing is why people are so nasty to just accept that it's perfectly normal. I mean, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a song of a greater problem, and those figures don't exactly exclude that.

Like I said, if they're happier and better off, then I fully support it. But if a skinny girl who weighs 100 pounds says she's fat and starves herself, we instantly recognize that as a deeper issue. But if it's a man saying they're actually a woman, many people are quick to not only applaud them but demonize people that might have deeper questions.

Given the stats around transgender surgery and the depression and suicide attempts that are so prevalent I would think a deeper look into it shouldn't be such a horrible suggestion.
 
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I believe some people are born with the wrong gender , i imagine it would be a very difficult existence.
 
shadow_priest_x said:
I dunno, man. I'm not sure if it's an "agenda" so much as a few high-profile people did it and opened the floodgates for everyone else who has had similar thoughts.

Let me ask you this, though. I'm just curious about your specific reasoning. You have said several times that it's fucked up but haven't given your thoughts about WHY it's fucked up. So why exactly do you think it's fucked up?
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It's hard to explain bro. I see it as (tin foil hat on) part of the agenda to feminize modern american men. First it was the metro sexual stuff. Then we had gay propaganda pushed on us. Now it's transexualism. My bullshit detector is a finely honed instrument at this point, and this whole push for this and everything like it reeks of bullshit and propaganda. They're trying to feminize us bro. And I'll tell you this as well, the recent feminism push is related to that as well, imo. They'll make out in movies/tv/songs/whatever popular media, that women are the boss and men just have to go along with whatever the wife/gf says. You can already see that everywhere. Being a strong male is almost frowned upon at this point.

Why are they pushing the feminization agenda? Imo it's to weaken us. Our society and as a by product, our country as a whole. Call it a conspiracy if you guys want to but that is truly what I see happening. If you look at most modern media or even go walk around a fucking mall, with that perspective, you'll probably notice it too. You'd have to. Modern men being womanized. I just don't like it. Doesn't make me a hater or anything, though.




Just think about this: You know they call the WWII era people the "greatest generation?" Well they called them that for a reason. Back then men were fucking men, and they did what they had to do, like men. Even the women back then had to man up, get jobs at fucking steel factories, and do their part. America wouldn't have gotten through that shit if we had a bunch of pansy ass clowns like they're trying to turn us into now. Imagine what the greatest generation would think of modern young people today if they had a look at 'em. It's embarrassing to think about.
 
shadow_priest_x said:
Mmm. . . I dunno man. For one, this is going to ratchet up the paparazzi harassment tenfold.
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How? Think of how common it is in that world to do this. There isn't a story here, that Entertainment Weekly wouldn't have covered. A guy deciding he's female and wearing a dress is news for about a day in Hollywood.

Paparazzi cares about drug addictions, affairs, and personal destruction. This is nothing.

Beyond that, it's not like people who work in Hollywood are in some locked-away community that they never leave.
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Yeah, they kind of are. They certainly have the money to avoid any truly hostile environments. At least people like the Wachowski's do.

They still have to make at least occasional voyages into the wider world, and the wider world has a way of getting IN as well. You talk about public criticism like it means nothing, but it seems clear to me that people can actually be wounded pretty badly by overwhelming negative sentiment. Sure, some people are thicker skinned than others, but the simple fact is that it sucks to be treated like shit by your fellow human beings.
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No shit, but that is something most human beings with have to deal with in their lifetime. Them being Hollywood players, diminishes their "courageousness" on this issue. They aren't courageous, because there was barely any wall in front of them. They're about as courageous as someone coming out as a vegan in the normal world. It's really not a big deal.
 
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Why is it 99% of the people who do gender reassignment are ugly as shit to begin with? What do you expect after the transition? People fawning over you wondering why this rocking chick is single?

These are the things i wonder. I know its about how they feel and not about others. But i will say i know of 2 transgenders at a local grocery store we frequent. One, my own son is wondering why the man is wearing a wig and the other legit looks like buffalo bob with bad eyeliner and a couple tennis balls in a training bra.

To each their own. And i dont think people stare because the person lives an alternative lifestyle in some instances. I think its more so that the person looks so horribly awkward in general that they get looks.
 
Transgenderism is just mental illness.

With that being said I don't care, they can do whatever they want tbh smh idgaf fam.
 
equus said:
Why is it 99% of the people who do gender reassignment are ugly as shit to begin with? What do you expect after the transition? People fawning over you wondering why this rocking chick is single?

These are the things i wonder. I know its about how they feel and not about others. But i will say i know of 2 transgenders at a local grocery store we frequent. One, my own son is wondering why the man is wearing a wig and the other legit looks like buffalo bob with bad eyeliner and a couple tennis balls in a training bra.

To each there own. And i dont think people stare because the person lives an alternative lifestyle in some instances. I think its more so that the person looks so horribly awkward in general that they get looks.
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the suicide rates are the same pre and post op. I have seen one tranny (a professor) and that dude was all gross.
 
Kick Strickland said:
What the FUCK is going on in Hollywood?! I mean, fuck. I'll go ahead and say it, this shit isn't courageous or heroic. I'm sorry but they're freaks. And feeble minded to jump on the "transgender is normal and awesome" train that seems to be running lately. Shit ain't normal, shit ain't cool, and shit should not be looked up to or applauded. Let alone called fucking "heroic." For fucks sake people, wake up. This shit is crazy.
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I'm glad someone realizes this.
 
Kick Strickland said:
It's hard to explain bro. I see it as (tin foil hat on) part of the agenda to feminize modern american men. First it was the metro sexual stuff. Then we had gay propaganda pushed on us. Now it's transexualism. My bullshit detector is a finely honed instrument at this point, and this whole push for this and everything like it reeks of bullshit and propaganda. They're trying to feminize us bro. And I'll tell you this as well, the recent feminism push is related to that as well, imo. They'll make out in movies/tv/songs/whatever popular media, that women are the boss and men just have to go along with whatever the wife/gf says. You can already see that everywhere. Being a strong male is almost frowned upon at this point.

Why are they pushing the feminization agenda? Imo it's to weaken us. Our society and as a by product, our country as a whole. Call it a conspiracy if you guys want to but that is truly what I see happening. If you look at most modern media or even go walk around a fucking mall, with that perspective, you'll probably notice it too. You'd have to. Modern men being womanized. I just don't like it. Doesn't make me a hater or anything, though.




Just think about this: You know they call the WWII era people the "greatest generation?" Well they called them that for a reason. Back then men were fucking men, and they did what they had to do, like men. Even the women back then had to man up, get jobs at fucking steel factories, and do their part. America wouldn't have gotten through that shit if we had a bunch of pansy ass clowns like they're trying to turn us into now. Imagine what the greatest generation would think of modern young people today if they had a look at 'em. It's embarrassing to think about.
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Could be a form of population control, 7 billion people and rising fast to 9 billion soon. Maybe they think our very survival as a species is at stake and are brainstorming any and all methods at lowering birthrates globally, including birth control, promoting homosexuality and making porn more accessible. Gays can't have kids unless they artificial inseminate or find a host mother, that costs money, time and resources.
 
I saw a documentary on Showtime where all three daughters, in Australia maybe, were born with both male and female genitals and had the male ones surgically removed as kids. One of them had a teacher who also had the same thing.

Yeah, maybe we are witnessing some sort of unseen power evolving humans to control over population, or maybe it's aliens covertly influencing their test lab known as Planet Earth. We just need some unseen power to control the roach, ants, rats, pidgeons populations.
 
Kick Strickland said:
It's hard to explain bro. I see it as (tin foil hat on) part of the agenda to feminize modern american men. First it was the metro sexual stuff. Then we had gay propaganda pushed on us. Now it's transexualism. My bullshit detector is a finely honed instrument at this point, and this whole push for this and everything like it reeks of bullshit and propaganda. They're trying to feminize us bro. And I'll tell you this as well, the recent feminism push is related to that as well, imo. They'll make out in movies/tv/songs/whatever popular media, that women are the boss and men just have to go along with whatever the wife/gf says. You can already see that everywhere. Being a strong male is almost frowned upon at this point.

Why are they pushing the feminization agenda? Imo it's to weaken us. Our society and as a by product, our country as a whole. Call it a conspiracy if you guys want to but that is truly what I see happening. If you look at most modern media or even go walk around a fucking mall, with that perspective, you'll probably notice it too. You'd have to. Modern men being womanized. I just don't like it. Doesn't make me a hater or anything, though.




Just think about this: You know they call the WWII era people the "greatest generation?" Well they called them that for a reason. Back then men were fucking men, and they did what they had to do, like men. Even the women back then had to man up, get jobs at fucking steel factories, and do their part. America wouldn't have gotten through that shit if we had a bunch of pansy ass clowns like they're trying to turn us into now. Imagine what the greatest generation would think of modern young people today if they had a look at 'em. It's embarrassing to think about.
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Yeah that is super tinfoil hat lol. also lol at gay propaganda. They spent a looooong time being marginalized and now that they're finally getting social acceptance they're making some noise about it. Is that really surprising after all the years of hazing and bullshit they've been through?


You're only capable of seeing life from the perspective of people who think just like you do. That's cool and all but people have a lot of variation to them, everyone isn't going to be exactly like you. I can tell you're the type of person that never tries to put yourself in someone else's shoes or tries to imagine life from their perspective.


Gays and trans aren't the way they are because they're weak or something. They're just different than you and that difference is not something they have any level of control over.



It's honestly just an egotistical pov. Other people trying to find a way to be themselves and deal with the hand life dealt them aren't out to get you, because, shocker, everything in the world doesn't revolve around you.
 
GSP_37 said:
I saw a documentary on Showtime where all three daughters, in Australia maybe, were born with both male and female genitals and had the male ones surgically removed as kids. One of them had a teacher who also had the same thing.
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Yeah it's rare but rare doesn't mean impossible or never seen in a world that has billions of people on it. People look at it like "well I'm not like that, anyone that is, is abnormal. Well yeah, no shit lol. Not everyone is going to fall square in the middle of normal on the spectrum of life. That means they don't get to live and we gotta treat them like freaks? That doesn't follow for me, it shows just an astounding and almost pathological lack of empathy for others.
 
i dont care if they want to be the Wachowski elephants - just stop making exceedingly cumbersome storylines and unnecessarily cgi reliant films.
 
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