Wachowski Siblings Become Wachowski Sisters

[Guestx]

Because it takes guts and courage to face public ridicule.

Look at this and past threads. They're full of people ridiculing and making fun of public figures who have come out as trans. They did this knowing that they'd be objects of derision and scorn to people who have no clue what forms bravery or courage can take.

In my time, I've been a soldier and humanitarian and worked in many parts of the world, seen and done some insane shit, dodged gunfire and mortar rounds, jumped out of plane and helicopters, landed planes on roads, walked into mined fields, faced warlords and child soldiers and pirates and smugglers and armed robbers in some tense situations.

Unlike some of you small minded motherfuckers, I can recognize different forms of courage and bravery. These folks have guts to stand up in public and say they can take whatever the public has to dish out. I wouldn't have the balls to do that.

Whenever I see people making fun of Caitlin Jenner or whoever the tranny of the day that is being jeered at, I think to myself that these are the words of a coward, someone who has never tested the their moral testicular fortitude in standing up against the masses. That there is a person who isn't just someone who won't stand up against a bully but is themselves the bully and at their core is a moral coward.

But whatever, I'm sure you guys will continue to come up with reasons why it's okay to pick on people because they're different.

I understand what you're saying, but I'd argue that there's a difference between being COURAGEOUS and being HEROIC. With this like what the Wachowski's are doing, I see plenty of courage. But where exactly is the heroism?

 

[Guestx]

If they make good films I would give a damn but seems like they only do shit, guess they're more concerned in cutting their dicks out than getting better at movie-making.

Honestly the only Wachowski movie that I just flat out didn't like was Jupiter Ascending. Cloud Atlas should've been a huge hit. Speed Racer should've done a lot better at the box office as well.

Truth is, they're kind of underrated.

 

[thebluerider]

Because it takes guts and courage to face public ridicule.

Look at this and past threads. They're full of people ridiculing and making fun of public figures who have come out as trans. They did this knowing that they'd be objects of derision and scorn to people who have no clue what forms bravery or courage can take.

In my time, I've been a soldier and humanitarian and worked in many parts of the world, seen and done some insane shit, dodged gunfire and mortar rounds, jumped out of plane and helicopters, landed planes on roads, walked into mined fields, faced warlords and child soldiers and pirates and smugglers and armed robbers in some tense situations.

Unlike some of you small minded motherfuckers, I can recognize different forms of courage and bravery. These folks have guts to stand up in public and say they can take whatever the public has to dish out. I wouldn't have the balls to do that.

Whenever I see people making fun of Caitlin Jenner or whoever the tranny of the day that is being jeered at, I think to myself that these are the words of a coward, someone who has never tested the their moral testicular fortitude in standing up against the masses. That there is a person who isn't just someone who won't stand up against a bully but is themselves the bully and at their core is a moral coward.

But whatever, I'm sure you guys will continue to come up with reasons why it's okay to pick on people because they're different.

this was a bit much tbh

 

[Seano]

Transgenderism is this era's demonic possession. The sort of thing that in 100 years people will be like "Can you believe they used to do that?"

 

[Guestx]

And there's a difference between ARGUING and QUIBBLING.

How would you define heroic as being different from courageous?

When I think of a hero I think someone who has fought for a worthwhile cause, while risking greatly. I don't see transgenderism as a worthwhile cause. I'm with those who see it more as mental illness: something to be treated, not championed.

But like I said, I do nevertheless find these people to be COURAGEOUS.

 

[chubbman]

mental illness runs in the family

 

[HereticBD]

I understand what you're saying, but I'd argue that there's a difference between being COURAGEOUS and being HEROIC. With this like what the Wachowski's are doing, I see plenty of courage. But where exactly is the heroism?

Where is the courage, though? They are multi-millionaires, who work in the Hollywood film industry. The land of the freaks. They could say they identify as Birthday Clowns, and it wouldn't affect their lives one bit.

Now, the folks that do this shit in Iran, or Iraq, those motherfuckers are courageous.

 

[minute bull]

When I think of a hero I think someone who has fought for a worthwhile cause, while risking greatly. I don't see transgenderism as a worthwhile cause. I'm with those who see it more as mental illness: something to be treated, not championed.

But like I said, I do nevertheless find these people to be COURAGEOUS.

To you what's courageous? No worthwhile cause? No risk?

Heroes are people you like, courage not so much?

 

[Guestx]

Where is the courage, though? They are multi-millionaires, who work in the Hollywood film industry. The land of the freaks. They could say they identify as Birthday Clowns, and it wouldn't affect their lives one bit.

Now, the folks that do this shit in Iran, or Iraq, those motherfuckers are courageous.

Well sure. There are varying levels, no doubt. But they nonetheless have subjected themselves to public ridicule. Even celebrities are not insulated from the greater world beyond the borders of Hollywood.

 

[Guestx]

To you what's courageous? No worthwhile cause? No risk?

Heroes are people you like, courage not so much?

Let me illustrate it like this. . .

Let's say that in order to reach a pot of gold and become a millionaire, I have to cross a threadbare rope bridge, then fight a lion, and finally get in and out of a building full of flames. If I accomplish these tasks, did it require a lot of courage? Absolutely. But did it make me a hero? No, because I did it all for myself.

But let's say, on the other hand, I did all these things to save a hundred school children who had somehow become trapped. Well at that point, not only did I act courageously, but in doing so I also became a hero.

 

[minute bull]

Ah, heroes are for the people. Courage doesn't necessarily have to be. That's interesting.

Spoiler

 

[Kick Strickland]

What the FUCK is going on in Hollywood?! I mean, fuck. I'll go ahead and say it, this shit isn't courageous or heroic. I'm sorry but they're freaks. And feeble minded to jump on the "transgender is normal and awesome" train that seems to be running lately. Shit ain't normal, shit ain't cool, and shit should not be looked up to or applauded. Let alone called fucking "heroic." For fucks sake people, wake up. This shit is crazy.

 

[koolinkunming]

What the FUCK is going on in Hollywood?! I mean, fuck. I'll go ahead and say it, this shit isn't courageous or heroic. I'm sorry but they're freaks. And feeble minded to jump on the "transgender is normal and awesome" train that seems to be running lately. Shit ain't normal, shit ain't cool, and shit should not be looked up to or applauded. Let alone called fucking "heroic." For fucks sake people, wake up. This shit is crazy.

But they're stunning. Brave.

 

[Zer]

I didn't believe this at first but I'd be surprised if there's any male DNA left inside her now. What is that like a pint glass?

 

[Guestx]

Ah, heroes are for the people. Courage doesn't necessarily have to be. That's interesting.

Spoiler

I think courage is neutral in terms of whether or not the act is selfish or selfless. It only addresses things like facing your fears and moving forward even in the face of fear and adversity.

Perhaps if we're looking for a word that encompasses both ideas--acting in the face of fear as well as acting on behalf of others--then we could go with BRAVERY.

 

[minute bull]

 

[HereticBD]

Well sure. There are varying levels, no doubt. But they nonetheless have subjected themselves to public ridicule.

How do you figure? Last time I checked, these people are having red carpets laid out for them, and ridicule towards them is met with extreme hostility. I mean yeah, some nobodies on twitter and forums may talk some shit, but what do they care?

These aren't everyday people, who have to swipe in at the factory everyday and deal with regular folks who aren't obliged to fall in line with this SJW agenda. These are Hollywood elites. Their lives are not affected in the least. They will be celebrated for it. In their position, coming out as a transgender is not courageous at all. In fact, one could argue it could be quite beneficial.

 

[Guestx]

What the FUCK is going on in Hollywood?! I mean, fuck. I'll go ahead and say it, this shit isn't courageous or heroic. I'm sorry but they're freaks. And feeble minded to jump on the "transgender is normal and awesome" train that seems to be running lately. Shit ain't normal, shit ain't cool, and shit should not be looked up to or applauded. Let alone called fucking "heroic." For fucks sake people, wake up. This shit is crazy.

I have mixed emotions about it, honestly. It's definitely weird and crazy. But on the other hand it's not really hurting anybody either.

I guess the question for me is this: If one day I woke up and really, truly, emphatically felt like I was a woman trapped in a man's body, would I feel compelled to do the same thing . . . to fix the error, so to speak? Maybe. But I for damn sure don't feel that way, so it's hard for me to relate.

 

[minute bull]

How do you figure? Last time I checked, these people are having red carpets laid out for them, and ridicule towards them is met with extreme hostility. I mean yeah, some nobodies on twitter and forums may talk some shit, but what do they care?

These aren't everyday people, who have to swipe in at the factory everyday and deal with regular folks who aren't obliged to fall in line with this SJW agenda. These are Hollywood elites. Their lives are not affected in the least. They will be celebrated for it. In their position, coming out as a transgender is not courageous at all. In fact, one could argue it could be quite beneficial.

After your thoughts on Robbie Lawler, I'm convinced you're not being serious.

 

[Guestx]

I don't think so at all. The simple fact is that courage and heroism are not synonymous. Heroism always requires courage, but not every courageous act is heroic. To say otherwise, quite frankly, is a misunderstanding of the language.