Virtue Signaling in Gaming Megathread, v.2

What is “DEI” about a straight white woman?

This smells like bullshit.
I remember seeing it said/wrote. She was a DEI effort, as they wanted some buff, masculine chick instead of Joel(white male) as the protagonist. This happened. It was even said here by some. The point is saying DEI doesn't necessarily mean racism. It certainly CAN, but just automatically assigning it to racism is not accurate.
 
I remember seeing it said/wrote. She was a DEI effort, as they wanted some buff, masculine chick instead of Joel(white male) as the protagonist. This happened. It was even said here by some. The point is saying DEI doesn't necessarily mean racism. It certainly CAN, but just automatically assigning it to racism is not accurate.
People were pissed that a buff chick killed off their favorite character. That was the discourse. A lot of people couldn’t look past that even without playing it. They attacked her looks, her voice actor, her character model because of it.

DEI was barely even a talking point in 2020. People were accusing it of being woke due to there being a trans character and giving Ellie a lesbian relationship.

People using DEI as an insult these days are assuredly racist. People attacking Abby’s character doesn’t change that.
 
People were pissed that a buff chick killed off their favorite character. That was the discourse. A lot of people couldn’t look past that even without playing it. They attacked her looks, her voice actor, her character model because of it.

DEI was barely even a talking point in 2020. People were accusing it of being woke due to there being a trans character and giving Ellie a lesbian relationship.

People using DEI as an insult these days are assuredly racist. People attacking Abby’s character doesn’t change that.
It was still a talking point then, and I remember it.

I think you are certainly splitting hairs, but whatever. People choose to see what they wish. Not really affecting me, so, it be what it be. Carry on, and godspeed.
 
Abby was considered DEI at the time, so they were racist against white women? See, the mind is already made up, so the card comes out so very easily.
I think what you are referring to is a bunch of reactionaries calling her trans. At the time the actual trans character wasn’t even known. Reminds of that Olympic boxer that was being called a trans despite her not being. Our culture is at the point where muscular women equals trans lol. To be fair she really jacked though
 
I think what you are referring to is a bunch of reactionaries calling her trans. At the time the actual trans character wasn’t even known. Reminds of that Olympic boxer that was being called a trans despite her not being. Our culture is at the point where muscular women equals trans lol. To be fair she really jacked though
Possibly. But I still saw DEI used to refer to it, which was my point. It cannot be deemed racist anytime it is used.

I will say though, I like Abby overall. It was at least a fairly bold move, and fitting for such a horrible environment to live in. One shouldn't need to have a character they necessarily "like" to make it a good game. I love stories with shitty characters, or unreliable narrators. It makes things fun and unpredictable. Though how did she get those massive gains in that sort of place? Maybe she got triple rations or something.
 
I'd be happy to have a civil convo on woke/DEI nonsense hurting the industry, but you have proven multiple times to be a bad faith actor.

I have an issue with attributing poor game sales or review to DEI without looking at the overall picture. It’s way more than DEI. If that was the case, games like GOW Ragnarok would have failed as well (Asian woman in Nordic mythology remember?). You’ve mentioned a bunch of games but I will only address the few of them I was interested in or have something to say about it.

Suicide Squad – This game was in trouble from the very beginning. The first gaming trailer showed every single character with the same abilities (shooting) so terrible design not in the spirit of the material and it looked boring as fuck. It was so bad if forced Rocksteady to delay the game and make adjustments. I was positively sure this game was dead on arrival then. In the end it was still an unecessary bad live service game with seasonal pass with fun but repetitive action lacking in depth. The game was doomed to fail from the beginning regardless of DEI.

Forspoken – I was interested in this game but was on the fence and like many others I base it on reviews. Reviews noted that the controls were fun but the world was mostly empty and boring. It was also noted that by the time you acquired all your abilities the game was practically over. Not complete deal breakers but it was enough for me to skip on this game. I’d definitely give it a shot once it hits PS+. The fact that you believe that a black female main character = woke is a terrible take. Why should it matter whether she be a black female? So she shoulda been a white female old or young wouldn’t matter? Tons of games out there with white protagonists but this one game with one black female character is woke? Absolute dog shit take.

Concord – I wasn’t even aware that there was a game called Concord when it released. I did a search and the only post I found was a preview trailer that Madmick posted in a thread of trailers. It was one of many and no one commented on it. There was no mention of this game in ANY thread (or maybe I did a bad search) until after the game was released. Yes the designs were supposedly dog shit but I never cared much about it. The main problem with the game aside from the fact that most people weren’t aware the game existed till it was too late was it lacked innovating gameplay, had poor designed maps and cost money compared to similar games like Overwatch and Apex Legends. This game wouldn’t be on my radar but I was utterly surprised about having never heard of this game til after it was released.

I can’t comment on the other games you’ve mentioned cause they aren’t my cup or tea or I didn’t care as much. My point is harping about DEI DEI DEI whenever a game fails isn’t correct.
 
I have an issue with attributing poor game sales or review to DEI without looking at the overall picture. It’s way more than DEI. If that was the case, games like GOW Ragnarok would have failed as well (Asian woman in Nordic mythology remember?). You’ve mentioned a bunch of games but I will only address the few of them I was interested in or have something to say about it.

Suicide Squad – This game was in trouble from the very beginning. The first gaming trailer showed every single character with the same abilities (shooting) so terrible design not in the spirit of the material and it looked boring as fuck. It was so bad if forced Rocksteady to delay the game and make adjustments. I was positively sure this game was dead on arrival then. In the end it was still an unecessary bad live service game with seasonal pass with fun but repetitive action lacking in depth. The game was doomed to fail from the beginning regardless of DEI.

Forspoken – I was interested in this game but was on the fence and like many others I base it on reviews. Reviews noted that the controls were fun but the world was mostly empty and boring. It was also noted that by the time you acquired all your abilities the game was practically over. Not complete deal breakers but it was enough for me to skip on this game. I’d definitely give it a shot once it hits PS+. The fact that you believe that a black female main character = woke is a terrible take. Why should it matter whether she be a black female? So she shoulda been a white female old or young wouldn’t matter? Tons of games out there with white protagonists but this one game with one black female character is woke? Absolute dog shit take.

Concord – I wasn’t even aware that there was a game called Concord when it released. I did a search and the only post I found was a preview trailer that Madmick posted in a thread of trailers. It was one of many and no one commented on it. There was no mention of this game in ANY thread (or maybe I did a bad search) until after the game was released. Yes the designs were supposedly dog shit but I never cared much about it. The main problem with the game aside from the fact that most people weren’t aware the game existed till it was too late was it lacked innovating gameplay, had poor designed maps and cost money compared to similar games like Overwatch and Apex Legends. This game wouldn’t be on my radar but I was utterly surprised about having never heard of this game til after it was released.

I can’t comment on the other games you’ve mentioned cause they aren’t my cup or tea or I didn’t care as much. My point is harping about DEI DEI DEI whenever a game fails isn’t correct.
There’s just too many games man. It’s impossible for everything to sell well when there just so much competition. The most annoying thing is that they celebrate the games that failed as some sort of victory and then ignore the games they called woke and then succeeded. It’s like a self fulfilling prophecy and they have trained themselves to never be wrong. Take Silent Hill 2 Remake, constant whining but when the devs celebrates the first million the conversation died out. You know if it failed they’d act like they caused that
 
I have an issue with attributing poor game sales or review to DEI without looking at the overall picture. It’s way more than DEI. If that was the case, games like GOW Ragnarok would have failed as well (Asian woman in Nordic mythology remember?). You’ve mentioned a bunch of games but I will only address the few of them I was interested in or have something to say about it.

Suicide Squad – This game was in trouble from the very beginning. The first gaming trailer showed every single character with the same abilities (shooting) so terrible design not in the spirit of the material and it looked boring as fuck. It was so bad if forced Rocksteady to delay the game and make adjustments. I was positively sure this game was dead on arrival then. In the end it was still an unecessary bad live service game with seasonal pass with fun but repetitive action lacking in depth. The game was doomed to fail from the beginning regardless of DEI.

Forspoken – I was interested in this game but was on the fence and like many others I base it on reviews. Reviews noted that the controls were fun but the world was mostly empty and boring. It was also noted that by the time you acquired all your abilities the game was practically over. Not complete deal breakers but it was enough for me to skip on this game. I’d definitely give it a shot once it hits PS+. The fact that you believe that a black female main character = woke is a terrible take. Why should it matter whether she be a black female? So she shoulda been a white female old or young wouldn’t matter? Tons of games out there with white protagonists but this one game with one black female character is woke? Absolute dog shit take.

Concord – I wasn’t even aware that there was a game called Concord when it released. I did a search and the only post I found was a preview trailer that Madmick posted in a thread of trailers. It was one of many and no one commented on it. There was no mention of this game in ANY thread (or maybe I did a bad search) until after the game was released. Yes the designs were supposedly dog shit but I never cared much about it. The main problem with the game aside from the fact that most people weren’t aware the game existed till it was too late was it lacked innovating gameplay, had poor designed maps and cost money compared to similar games like Overwatch and Apex Legends. This game wouldn’t be on my radar but I was utterly surprised about having never heard of this game til after it was released.

I can’t comment on the other games you’ve mentioned cause they aren’t my cup or tea or I didn’t care as much. My point is harping about DEI DEI DEI whenever a game fails isn’t correct.
I never said DEI is sole cause of entertainment being shitty. Having forced diversity is never the reason for a game/movie/show being a failure, but it can really hurt it. We've had inclusion in western entertainment for ages now. Up until recently (past 8 to 10 years or so) I felt like it had largely been handled organically, where identity politics didn't define a character/story, and it didn't come across as a check list.

Maybe I see things from my white bias, but since the 90's to early 2010's It felt like we moving towards a less racist/misogynist society, where diversity and inclusion (focusing on NA entertainment here) were being reflected naturally as demographics changed.

Ragnarök is a good example of forced inclusion/representation that doesn't help the game. There is no reason for Angrboða being black, other than lazy tokenism. It's such a small aspect of a quality game, that it can't hurt it, but it pulls you out of the immersion. When you multiply that numerous times, then it can severely damage the product.

A fine example of forced inclusion/representation multiplied endlessly and hurting the product is the Wheel of Time Amazon series. Two Rivers (starting location) is a medieval western European settlement. People have been living there for generations, thousands of years. Making it like downtown Toronto is ridiculous. You can probably get away with diverse skin tones/ethnicities visually because it's in the very distant future from us. Regardless, the culture should be homogenous, with everyone speaking with the same accent as It's incredibly isolated. It's basically the Shire. No location in the series really felt culturally unique, just one melting pot after another. It's really too bad, because in the books the locations and characters are very diverse, and loads of well written female characters. It should have been a slam dunk. Bad writing, casting played a bigger role in its downfall, much like Ring's of Power, but the DEI nonsense definitely hurt it.

I'm not sure how my Forespoken take is bad one? If she was a white male it would be awful. He'd be a lazy Gary Stu instead of a Mary Sue. She's Ray Skywalker with a bigger chip on her shoulder. Her being black has nothing to do with it being a bad game, though the subtle allude to her being mistreated by the court system because of her skin color, yet she's a thief who still thieves after being given a break is eye rolling. What hurts it most is the terrible writing and MCU-like dialogue. I wanted to like it as it gave me an Infamous vibe, and I love Isekai Anime. It was made by a Japanese company, one of my favs, Square Enix, surely they'd do a decent job with that trope...
 
Sonic X Shadow Generations already sold over 1,000,000 copies. Another L for the antiwoke chuds.
 
Sonic X Shadow Generations already sold over 1,000,000 copies. Another L for the antiwoke chuds.
I am really glad to be out of the loop on this stuff. Sonic is woke now?
 
I am really glad to be out of the loop on this stuff. Sonic is woke now?
Yeah people were crying over one scene at a birthday party. In the OG Amy gets pushed away by Sonic but in this game Sonic hands her some cupcakes. I don’t mind the change that much. Wouldn’t have even noticed it without seeing those posts. I guess they thought Sonic was being an ungrateful dick at a party and changed it
 
I am really glad to be out of the loop on this stuff. Sonic is woke now?
Certain posters here admitted that they get on Twitter just to look for reasons to work themselves into a shoot over obvious bots and trolls on social media.

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Apparently 70% of Twitch advertisers have pulled from the website. Things dont look good for them : /
 
Twitch should bring back the fried chicken emote. <lmao>
 
There’s just too many games man. It’s impossible for everything to sell well when there just so much competition. The most annoying thing is that they celebrate the games that failed as some sort of victory and then ignore the games they called woke and then succeeded. It’s like a self fulfilling prophecy and they have trained themselves to never be wrong. Take Silent Hill 2 Remake, constant whining but when the devs celebrates the first million the conversation died out. You know if it failed they’d act like they caused that
Gravedancing on anything arts related that is conservative / chud / libertarian / liked and embraced by people who do not call themselves the left is like a top 5 thing journalists.

It is hard to define sides in this but gravedancing was inevitable.

The AAA industry is in deep trouble and no one can deny it and no one make the case ideologically captured people who do not reexamine their own ideas are not contributing to this.
 
Yet another game franchise destroyed by damn feminist women.

Rumor: Sucker Punch Gutted And Repurposed ‘Ghost Of Tsushima’ Sequel For ‘Ghost Of Yōtei’

 
It is only war for those who wish to participate. If they cannot live without games catered to their exact desires, that is self-induced harm. Games, movies, TV, et cetera were not around for 99.9% of human existence. You can survive without them, and it would probably help the vast majority of us and our mental health.

I get there are those who love these things immensely, but it is still best not to cling to anything too tightly. Especially things outside of your control, like the artistic creations of others. Just my nickel
I mean you’re being to nice to his ridiculous posts. The dingus is saying you should overreact to the situation because you’re a soldier in the “culture war”. It’s him coming out and saying he doesn’t even care about the reality of the situation. He’s part of the problem. Both sides are behaving like children
 
I mean you’re being to nice to his ridiculous posts. The dingus is saying you should overreact to the situation because you’re a soldier in the “culture war”. It’s him coming out and saying he doesn’t even care about the reality of the situation. He’s part of the problem. Both sides are behaving like children
TBF, I am trying to see it from other's POV, which is why I am attempting to be civil with any side of the argument. I can see both sides, but find each lacking.

Definitely no martyr or soldier for some culture war lunacy. It just isn't that important to me. Apathy wins again!
 
Yet another game franchise destroyed by damn feminist women.

Rumor: Sucker Punch Gutted And Repurposed ‘Ghost Of Tsushima’ Sequel For ‘Ghost Of Yōtei’

This one I don’t see what the problem is. I lot Ghost but Jin Sakai’s story was told. They could have done more with him but there is just no way that anyone was going to feel like a sequel with him was as good as the original.

So they made a new character and set it in the future from the first game. She’s a woman. So what? Females being samurai’s or engaging in samurai activities isn’t unheard of. I think changing location and characters is completely fine, especially since the Hokkaido region is like the Wild West of Japan.

Could they have chosen a woman because of DEI purposes? I don’t know I’m not in their heads. But I see no surface level reason to believe that that is what they did. This one feels like a knee jerk reaction to me and I think that the game will probably end up being really good.
 
This one I don’t see what the problem is. I lot Ghost but Jin Sakai’s story was told. They could have done more with him but there is just no way that anyone was going to feel like a sequel with him was as good as the original.

So they made a new character and set it in the future from the first game. She’s a woman. So what? Females being samurai’s or engaging in samurai activities isn’t unheard of. I think changing location and characters is completely fine, especially since the Hokkaido region is like the Wild West of Japan.

Could they have chosen a woman because of DEI purposes? I don’t know I’m not in their heads. But I see no surface level reason to believe that that is what they did. This one feels like a knee jerk reaction to me and I think that the game will probably end up being really good.
You are so naive, alienated or trying to fool yourself. The feminist agenda is clear, they hired several women to produce the game, feminists are destroying the western video game industry because men like it, something has to be done, kick them all out.
 
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