Usyk vs Wlad, Vitali, and Lennox?

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

It seems anyway that Alexander Krassyuk seems to be the guy that's doing the promotional work at K2. But with money coming from the Saudis's these days, I don't even know how needed he is.

CEO type of guys like him and Eddie Hearn are more and more getting relegated to being usual employees.

Who do you think put Krassyuk in charge of their K2 Ukraine promotional operations? The Klitschko brothers did.

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[Doctor Grudge]

Yeah, that's true of many great HWs though. Ali, Louis, Marciano, Holyfield and a lot of others could have fought that weight (or even lighter, Marciano was 185, Louis about 200). Ali and Holyfield both fought under HW as amateurs.

I think the truth is that this is a weak generation of HW boxers. Just looking at the age of the champion makes that painfully clear.

No, Usyk mostly would not have been the undisputed champion in the past because there was almost always at least one fighter that was better.

No, I would not say it is true of many great HWs. Most of the great hw's you mentioned may have been around Usyk's size or smaller, but they still fought other people around a similar size - which Usyk already did at CW.


Usyk then fought guys who are much bigger than him. Most of those guys were not undersized for their era at HW, Usyk objectively is. Weatherspoon is 240, Joshua is 240, Dubois is 250 pounds, Chisora is 250, Fury is 280.

Every opponent Usyk fought was much bigger than him. AND he he beat guys around his size, which was the golden age of his era. If you want to say guys like Ali/Frazier/Norton could have been CWs too, then sure - we'll call them the unofficial golden age of CW then.

The point still would remain the same. Usyk still beat many elite opponents, and looking only at his HW career makes little sense, any way you slice it. Even if what you said was 100% correct, it still would mean that Usyk's sample size of high level opponents is high when you include his CW career.

 

[defjaam]

Who do you think put Krassyuk in charge of their K2 Ukraine promotional operations? The Klitschko brothers did.

Also

Well, thanks for posting a video where Usyk says to the Klitschkos faces that he wants to fight them lol

The Klitschkos of course responded with one of their typical diplomatic shit answers.

I regard this as confirmation of my assessment that this fight would go down. It's just a boxing match for 12 rounds, not an unlimited death battle.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Well, thanks for posting a video where Usyk says to the Klitschkos faces that he wants to fight them lol

The Klitschkos of course responded with one of their typical diplomatic shit answers.

I regard this as confirmation of my assessment that this fight would go down. It's just a boxing match for 12 rounds, not an unlimited death battle.

Only Usyk wasn't seriously challenging them. What he got in return were serious answers and that answer was no. Wlad invited him to spar and he took him up on it.

Oleksandr Usyk once dominated Wladimir Klistchko in sparring so bad the heavyweight legend chucked him out of the gym

 

[defjaam]

Oeksandr Usyk once dominated Wladimir Klistchko in sparring so bad the heavyweight legend chucked him out of the gym

Yea that sounds like they were good friends. Bromance at its finest.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Yea that sounds like they were good friends. Bromance at its finest.

Do you also doubt Tyson Fury's close friendship with Parker? They've been training partners for years. If Parker is holding the IBF title after he fights Dubois don't expect Fury to challenge him.

 

[CelestialKiller]

There's been a lot of talk about Usyk's standing in the historical books of boxing after his most recent victory. But I just want to caution that we should take a moment to acknowledge that recency bias is a very real and powerful phenomenon.

Take a moment to think about the previous generation of greats such as Wlad and Vitali Klitschko, And Lennox Lewis. Would you favor Usyk to best any of those guys?

I am in a good mood today. I would say peak Usyk could beat a 90 year old George Foreman, But Usyk isn't beating any half way decent boxer from the moment Ali won the title to the moment Lewis lost the title.

Again Usyk is considered a ATG by who? People who never watched boxing a day in their lives and repeat what people on TV say? Biased Europeans who will praise any European boxers?

Let me repeat , Andy Ruiz knocked out Joshua first. Usyk fought the mentally damaged version who was never good to began with. Daniel Dubois got his eye socket broke by Dubois and then got his leg hurt by Kevin Lerena. Then Usyk beat a 36 year old drug addict version of Tyson Fury who has done notihng with his career besides beat a 40 year old Wlad and barely did that,

Let me say this, boxing fans are the worst sports fans you will deal with, You now why? Because 99 percent of these people talking about boxing don't even watch boxing. Especially the Europeans. The moment they get a European champion they come out of the boondocks and act like they are true fans.

The funny thing about Usyk is he doesn't even look good against these horrible opponents he is facing

 

[joy2day]

No, I would not say it is true of many great HWs. Most of the great hw's you mentioned may have been around Usyk's size or smaller, but they still fought other people around a similar size - which Usyk already did at CW.


Usyk then fought guys who are much bigger than him. Most of those guys were not undersized for their era at HW, Usyk objectively is. Weatherspoon is 240, Joshua is 240, Dubois is 250 pounds, Chisora is 250, Fury is 280.

Every opponent Usyk fought was much bigger than him. AND he he beat guys around his size, which was the golden age of his era. If you want to say guys like Ali/Frazier/Norton could have been CWs too, then sure - we'll call them the unofficial golden age of CW then.

The point still would remain the same. Usyk still beat many elite opponents, and looking only at his HW career makes little sense, any way you slice it. Even if what you said was 100% correct, it still would mean that Usyk's sample size of high level opponents is high when you include his CW career.

There were always big guys at HW, and all of those fighters I mentioned fought bigger guys during their careers, even if there weren't as many bigger fighters as there are now. Joe Louis fought some REALLY big guys; he fought a guy that was over 300 pounds.

More recently, we have Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson. They were both smallish guys that not only fought big guys, but fought big guys that were better than anyone Usyk fought (e.g. Bowe and Lennox).

Fighting bigger guys at HW isn't really that big of a thing like it is at other weights because of the limitations of being a really big guy. Now if the big guy were equal in skill and endurance to a smaller HW, that is where things get interesting. That's quite rare though, and it pretty much tops out around 240; you aren't going to be a great champ if you are much bigger than that.

If Usyk were fighting great fighters that were big, then yeah, that would be a point. But he isn't. He would get tooled by great fighters of the past both big and small.

 

[Blastbeat]

Usyk might be able to box and move and win a tight decision vs Lennox. but that'd be a tall order. Lennox was very crafty; he'd probably adapt to what Usyk was doing.
i think he beats Wladimir pretty comfortably.
vs Vitali its a toss up.

 

[CelestialKiller]

No, I would not say it is true of many great HWs. Most of the great hw's you mentioned may have been around Usyk's size or smaller, but they still fought other people around a similar size - which Usyk already did at CW.


Usyk then fought guys who are much bigger than him. Most of those guys were not undersized for their era at HW, Usyk objectively is. Weatherspoon is 240, Joshua is 240, Dubois is 250 pounds, Chisora is 250, Fury is 280.

Every opponent Usyk fought was much bigger than him. AND he he beat guys around his size, which was the golden age of his era. If you want to say guys like Ali/Frazier/Norton could have been CWs too, then sure - we'll call them the unofficial golden age of CW then.

The point still would remain the same. Usyk still beat many elite opponents, and looking only at his HW career makes little sense, any way you slice it. Even if what you said was 100% correct, it still would mean that Usyk's sample size of high level opponents is high when you include his CW career.

Dubois never weighed 240 in his career and is a natural 230 pound guy, Chisora is out of shape, Joshua is 230 depending on how much PED he is using and Tyson Fury is a 230/240 pound guy who comes in the ring out of shape.

Lol anyway if you want to say Usyk is a ATG cruiser weight then okay, Nobody cares about that division but when people say this guy is a ATG heavyweight it shows how little they know about boxing. Usyk has fought 5 guys at heavyweight, WItherspoon, Chisora, Joshua, Dubois and Fury. Beating 5 heavyweight doesn't make you a ATG heavyweight.

 

[CelestialKiller]

Usyk might be able to box and move and win a tight decision vs Lennox. but that'd be a tall order. Lennox was very crafty; he'd probably adapt to what Usyk was doing.
i think he beats Wladimir pretty comfortably.
vs Vitali its a toss up.

Lol Usyk could barely beat Chisora for crying out loud but he is out boxing Lennox Lewis? The stuff people like you say cracks me up. Wladimir would knock out Usyk in a round or 2. But yeah Usyk would out box Wlad easily. Usyk has yet to out box any heavyweight easy, Usyk barely got by fat druggy Tyson Fury for crying out loud

 

[defjaam]

Lol Usyk could barely beat Chisora for crying out loud but he is out boxing Lennox Lewis? The stuff people like you say cracks me up.

People who think boxing math works crack me up. I bet you were saying the exact same about Usyk vs. Joshua and Fury years ago.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Dubois never weighed 240 in his career and is a natural 230 pound guy, Chisora is out of shape, Joshua is 230 depending on how much PED he is using and Tyson Fury is a 230/240 pound guy who comes in the ring out of shape.

Lol anyway if you want to say Usyk is a ATG cruiser weight then okay, Nobody cares about that division but when people say this guy is a ATG heavyweight it shows how little they know about boxing. Usyk has fought 5 guys at heavyweight, WItherspoon, Chisora, Joshua, Dubois and Fury. Beating 5 heavyweight doesn't make you a ATG heavyweight.

You know you can actually look up what they weigh right. Dubois and Joshua last year and both weighed around 250 pounds. It....isn't a debatable thing, it's a fact. Dubois frame is significantly bigger than you think, and he was able to put on weight easily in between the Usyk and Joshua fights.

Tyson Fury is a 230 pounder, alright....come on dude, you're literally just making things up. Even if we didn't know how much they weigh, which we do - saying Tyson Fury is 230 pounds is utterly bizarre (and no, he wouldn't be 230 pounds even if he was "in shape"). He is the same height as Lebron James and you think he is a 230 pound person.

Guessing peoples weights is definitely not your skill. And I don't get why you're guessing their weights, we literally know how much they weight. You think there is a conspiracy theory around the weigh-ins?


Usyk isn't the same size as any of the guys he fought. I don't get what mental gymnastics are being done here. The thing about cruiserweights and no one caring just sounds like some ESPN talk. Ok, you don't care about cruiserweights - it's still part of the sport. Just because American media doesn't care doesn't mean no one cares.

 

[CelestialKiller]

People who think boxing math works crack me up. I bet you were saying the exact same about Usyk vs. Joshua and Fury years ago.

Lol Tyson Fury is a bum and Joshua was always a hype job. Andy Ruiz beat Joshua first. Nobody considers Ruiz to be a ATG. I told you a fact. Usyk is so trash that he could barely beat a faded Chisora, The same Chisora who got destroyed by David Haye years before.

Usyk has never out boxed any heavyweight. He never dominated any heavyweight but yeah him beating 5 heavyweights makes him the ATG best heavyweight. Funny stuff.

 

[CelestialKiller]

You know you can actually look up what they weigh right. Dubois and Joshua last year and both weighed around 250 pounds. It....isn't a debatable thing, it's a fact. Dubois frame is significantly bigger than you think, and he was able to put on weight easily in between the Usyk and Joshua fights.

Tyson Fury is a 230 pounder, alright....come on dude, you're literally just making things up. Even if we didn't know how much they weigh, which we do - saying Tyson Fury is 230 pounds is utterly bizarre (and no, he wouldn't be 230 pounds even if he was "in shape"). He is the same height as Lebron James and you think he is a 230 pound person.

Guessing peoples weights is definitely not your skill. And I don't get why you're guessing their weights, we literally know how much they weight. You think there is a conspiracy theory around the weigh-ins?


Usyk isn't the same size as any of the guys he fought. I don't get what mental gymnastics are being done here. The thing about cruiserweights and no one caring just sounds like some ESPN talk. Ok, you don't care about cruiserweights - it's still part of the sport. Just because American media doesn't care doesn't mean no one cares.

Lol so basically what you are telling me is that you aren't very bright? David Robinson the basketball player was 7 feet and weighed 230. You do realize people have different body frames right? Fury is a skinnier guy who comes in the ring out of shape. Lol let me guess you probably still think Tyson Fury is 6'9 because you heard somebody on TV say it. David Price is 6'8 and is clearly at least 1 inch taller than Fury.

Daniel Dubois are both 230 pound guys who comes in the ring heavier than they should and that is why they both gas out.

Like I said the only people who hype up Usyk are white Americans white Europeans. If Usyk was a black American you would be calling him trash. Usyk is European and you are European so you will defend him with your life.

Usyk is trash. Lol him beating the hype job Joshua after Andy Ruiz did it first and beating a coked out version of Tyson Fury who has done thing with his career besides beat a old Wlad doesn't change that fact.

But Wlad, Vitali, and Lewis would all stop Usyk in a few rounds because Usyk is just that bad. The bum couldn't even out box slow Chisora for crying out loud. He couldn't keep this guy off him. Lewis, and both Klitschkos would beat Usyk so bad they would be arrested.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I am in a good mood today. I would say peak Usyk could beat a 90 year old George Foreman, But Usyk isn't beating any half way decent boxer from the moment Ali won the title to the moment Lewis lost the title.

Again Usyk is considered a ATG by who? People who never watched boxing a day in their lives and repeat what people on TV say? Biased Europeans who will praise any European boxers?

Let me repeat , Andy Ruiz knocked out Joshua first. Usyk fought the mentally damaged version who was never good to began with. Daniel Dubois got his eye socket broke by Dubois and then got his leg hurt by Kevin Lerena. Then Usyk beat a 36 year old drug addict version of Tyson Fury who has done notihng with his career besides beat a 40 year old Wlad and barely did that,

Let me say this, boxing fans are the worst sports fans you will deal with, You now why? Because 99 percent of these people talking about boxing don't even watch boxing. Especially the Europeans. The moment they get a European champion they come out of the boondocks and act like they are true fans.

The funny thing about Usyk is he doesn't even look good against these horrible opponents he is facing

Dubois never weighed 240 in his career and is a natural 230 pound guy, Chisora is out of shape, Joshua is 230 depending on how much PED he is using and Tyson Fury is a 230/240 pound guy who comes in the ring out of shape.

Lol anyway if you want to say Usyk is a ATG cruiser weight then okay, Nobody cares about that division but when people say this guy is a ATG heavyweight it shows how little they know about boxing. Usyk has fought 5 guys at heavyweight, WItherspoon, Chisora, Joshua, Dubois and Fury. Beating 5 heavyweight doesn't make you a ATG heavyweight.

Lol Usyk could barely beat Chisora for crying out loud but he is out boxing Lennox Lewis? The stuff people like you say cracks me up. Wladimir would knock out Usyk in a round or 2. But yeah Usyk would out box Wlad easily. Usyk has yet to out box any heavyweight easy, Usyk barely got by fat druggy Tyson Fury for crying out loud

Lol Tyson Fury is a bum and Joshua was always a hype job. Andy Ruiz beat Joshua first. Nobody considers Ruiz to be a ATG. I told you a fact. Usyk is so trash that he could barely beat a faded Chisora, The same Chisora who got destroyed by David Haye years before.

Usyk has never out boxed any heavyweight. He never dominated any heavyweight but yeah him beating 5 heavyweights makes him the ATG best heavyweight. Funny stuff.

Lol so basically what you are telling me is that you aren't very bright? David Robinson the basketball player was 7 feet and weighed 230. You do realize people have different body frames right? Fury is a skinnier guy who comes in the ring out of shape. Lol let me guess you probably still think Tyson Fury is 6'9 because you heard somebody on TV say it. David Price is 6'8 and is clearly at least 1 inch taller than Fury.

Daniel Dubois are both 230 pound guys who comes in the ring heavier than they should and that is why they both gas out.

Like I said the only people who hype up Usyk are white Americans white Europeans. If Usyk was a black American you would be calling him trash. Usyk is European and you are European so you will defend him with your life.

Usyk is trash. Lol him beating the hype job Joshua after Andy Ruiz did it first and beating a coked out version of Tyson Fury who has done thing with his career besides beat a old Wlad doesn't change that fact.

But Wlad, Vitali, and Lewis would all stop Usyk in a few rounds because Usyk is just that bad. The bum couldn't even out box slow Chisora for crying out loud. He couldn't keep this guy off him. Lewis, and both Klitschkos would beat Usyk so bad they would be arrested.

This is clearly an alt account. Why not hop on your real one?

 

[treelo]

I am in a good mood today. I would say peak Usyk could beat a 90 year old George Foreman, But Usyk isn't beating any half way decent boxer from the moment Ali won the title to the moment Lewis lost the title.

Again Usyk is considered a ATG by who? People who never watched boxing a day in their lives and repeat what people on TV say? Biased Europeans who will praise any European boxers?

Let me repeat , Andy Ruiz knocked out Joshua first. Usyk fought the mentally damaged version who was never good to began with. Daniel Dubois got his eye socket broke by Dubois and then got his leg hurt by Kevin Lerena. Then Usyk beat a 36 year old drug addict version of Tyson Fury who has done notihng with his career besides beat a 40 year old Wlad and barely did that,

Let me say this, boxing fans are the worst sports fans you will deal with, You now why? Because 99 percent of these people talking about boxing don't even watch boxing. Especially the Europeans. The moment they get a European champion they come out of the boondocks and act like they are true fans.

The funny thing about Usyk is he doesn't even look good against these horrible opponents he is facing

this is fucking funny, you do realise that Europe has lots of different countries with LOTS of people who dont like each other, its like grouping the Americas together and wondering why a redneck doesnt like a mexican fighter

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Lol so basically what you are telling me is that you aren't very bright? David Robinson the basketball player was 7 feet and weighed 230. You do realize people have different body frames right? Fury is a skinnier guy who comes in the ring out of shape. Lol let me guess you probably still think Tyson Fury is 6'9 because you heard somebody on TV say it. David Price is 6'8 and is clearly at least 1 inch taller than Fury.

Daniel Dubois are both 230 pound guys who comes in the ring heavier than they should and that is why they both gas out.

Like I said the only people who hype up Usyk are white Americans white Europeans. If Usyk was a black American you would be calling him trash. Usyk is European and you are European so you will defend him with your life.

Usyk is trash. Lol him beating the hype job Joshua after Andy Ruiz did it first and beating a coked out version of Tyson Fury who has done thing with his career besides beat a old Wlad doesn't change that fact.

But Wlad, Vitali, and Lewis would all stop Usyk in a few rounds because Usyk is just that bad. The bum couldn't even out box slow Chisora for crying out loud. He couldn't keep this guy off him. Lewis, and both Klitschkos would beat Usyk so bad they would be arrested.

You're an actual idiot. David Robinson was 230 pounds in the military.

His 235 pound weight was coming into the NBA. Players from David Robinson's age and older only use their college listed weights (unless they requested to update it, which hardly anyone did). All of them got get bigger. I love that you can't look at David Robinson and tell that he is significantly bigger than 235 pounds lmao.

That isn't to mention that NBA players have no incentive to carry fat because it is a run and jump sport. If strength was a bigger incentive, then more guys would be heavier, that is obvious. No, some low post play is not a big enough incentive (which Robinson struggled with), they are super lean because speed and agility are more important.

You think a 6'9 heavyweight boxer is "230" pounds - even when at his lightest he was 245 pounds, and clearly in shape and fully functional. I said it before - you're an idiot, and legitimately have no idea about anything related to nutrition or athletics. So, I'll let you be for now.

 

[StopDucking]

This is clearly an alt account. Why not hop on your real one?

@Mujeriego

 

[Blastbeat]

Lol Usyk could barely beat Chisora for crying out loud but he is out boxing Lennox Lewis? The stuff people like you say cracks me up. Wladimir would knock out Usyk in a round or 2. But yeah Usyk would out box Wlad easily. Usyk has yet to out box any heavyweight easy, Usyk barely got by fat druggy Tyson Fury for crying out loud

Wlad would KO him in a round? Don't be ridiculous. Wlad was a good boxer but very predictable, that's how Fury outboxed him. Usyk is capable of doing something like that.

And it's typical after a historic win everyone clamors to discredit it, no matter who beat who. In this case it's Usyk and because he's done something not many else have done, he's a lightning rod for every hot take spewed out on the internet. Fury is still a good fighter he's just not the best HW of this generation. Usyk beating him is a good feat.

Lennox could underestimate dudes and that how he got KO'd twice. Not saying he would vs Usyk and I would heavily favor Lennox but I think Usyk has a small chance for a close decision.

And also Chisora is underrated. He gives lots of world class fighters tough fights. Shouldve beaten Whyte and Parker the first time he fought them both.