Usman - Chimaev Media Scores

[Soggust]

Everyone always cites the following rule when talking about ground control:

"Dominance in the grappling phase can be seen by fighter staking dominant positions in the fight and utilizing those positions to attempt fight ending submissions or attacks. Merely holding a dominant position(s) shall not be a primary factor in assessing dominance. What the fighter does with those positions is what must be assessed. "

But I feel like a lot of folks miss the next sentence of the rules:

"In the absence of dominance in the grappling phase, as set forth in paragraph 3 of the promulgated rules, to be considered dominate, there must be a singularly or in combination, some types of submission attempts, strikes, or an overwhelming pace which is measured by improved or aggressive positional changes that cause the losing fighter to consistently be in a defensive or reactive mode"

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Now I'm going to come clean and fully admit that I am a retard who doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about, but to a lay person like myself - that doesn't read as "you have to do damage on the ground".

To me, that reads as "you can't just lay in full guard or side control, but have to consistently keep pressure", which Khamzat CERTAINLY did in the first and arguably did in the other rounds as well.

Meaning, if you land two jabs then get taken down for the entire round but hold onto the opponent's body for dear life in closed guard, you shouldn't get to win the round based on "well I edged the striking, and he didn't punish me for laying on my back for 4.5 minutes". Not saying this is what Usman did, but just polarizing the argument for demonstration. As always, shades of grey with everything.

 

[Goutfather]

If you're balding and under 6'1, you shouldnt be allowed to judge other men fight

or fat

 

[Neck&Neck]

I need to see all these MMA judges Punching Machine scores
I had the fight close to a draw or 29-28 Glasszat

 

[blaseblase]

The rnc wasn't even that close. Going to sleep lmao.

My guy, it was sunk in. Usman literally spiked himself on his own head to get out of it. You are grasping at straws here. You can make up your own bizarre criteria all you want but by the unified rules of mma that's a 10-8.

 

[blaseblase]

So Bruno Silva can have nearly 10 minutes control time on top of Shara and lose 30-27 but Khamzat can take Usman's back, get slammed straight onto his face and break his wrist and still get a 10-8. Makes sense.

Lol Usman was on the verge of going to sleep and spiked himself on his head to get out of a rear naked choke. You can't seriously believe those grappling performances are equivalent.

Also it's laughable to play Captain Hindsight and giving Usman credit for breaking Khamzat's wrist when there's literally no visible evidence that it happened. Judging by the tape Usman landed on his own head and did more damage to himself than his opponent. You don't know when Khamzat fractured his wrist.

Some of you desperately need to sign up for some BJJ classes. There's a difference between lay n pray while getting outstruck and dominating your opponent.

 

[chinarice]

So Bruno Silva can have nearly 10 minutes control time on top of Shara and lose 30-27 but Khamzat can take Usman's back, get slammed straight onto his face and break his wrist and still get a 10-8. Makes sense.

lol breh, to act like the same thing was happening in both fights is beyond ridiculous

Shara was beating the shit out of Bruno Silva from his back every round while Silva mostly survived. When did anything remotely close to this happen in Khamzat vs Usman?

 

[markys00]

This is the fight I saw. I think that was a good example of a 10-8 without someone nearly getting killed. He had no offense whatsoever and was in legitimate danger on at least 2 occasions.

He won the 2nd for sure and it is fair to say he won the third. Although I wouldn't argue too hard if Khamzat was given that as well. . . Khamzat win or draw.

No way on earth can see an Usman win.

No way on earth? Why the silly superlative? It's pretty reasonable to have the same scoring as you did except round 1 being a 10-9. Which it kinda should be. Usman was never even close to getting finished. It's a slippery slope with liberal 10-8s

 

[markys00]

How on earth could it not be a 10-8 round? Khamzat dominated that round and Usman had no offense.

“A 10 – 9 Round in MMA is where one combatant wins the round by a close margin.”

"A 10 – 8 Round in MMA is where one fighter wins the round by a large margin"

Please never become a judge. We all know the rules are not applicable in the real world. We need less 10-8s not mor. It will ruin the sport.

Anyway, the new ruleset is supposed to take damage as the most important criteria. Maybe if there was close moments where Usman got choked or something. But nothing came close. Hell, takedowns are barely supposed to be scored unless something is done with it. Holding someone's back is important, and can win you the round, but you gotta do something with it to justify a 10-8.

Again, less 10-8s in mma.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Draw would've been fine. I don't think Usman did enough to win. I'd like to see the run back one day but with a full camp and a 5 rounder

 

[swimba]

@JayPettryMMA my man

 

[blaseblase]

Please never become a judge. We all know the rules are not applicable in the real world. We need less 10-8s not mor. It will ruin the sport.

Said by someone who doesn't even understand the judging criteria.

Anyway, the new ruleset is supposed to take damage as the most important criteria. Maybe if there was close moments where Usman got choked or something. But nothing came close. Hell, takedowns are barely supposed to be scored unless something is done with it. Holding someone's back is important, and can win you the round, but you gotta do something with it to justify a 10-8.

Usman spiked himself on his own head to get out of a locked in submission. Also I love how you're ignoring that the fight almost got stopped from GNP.

 

[RonDante]

If we went just by media scores then volkanovski lost the second fight to Holloway, until you watch the fight and see he clearly outstruck max in the third

 

[Megatronlee]

I'd respect the scores of journalists so much more if they watch the fights on mute.

I wish the UFC provided an option to watch the fights without commentary. Most of the time they're not 'biased' but they can draw too much attention to some aspects of the fight while completely ignoring others.

That's not neccessarily criticism, because that's unavoidable no matter who's in the booth.

It'd be very interesting if there were 20 journalists that'd watch & score the fights with the commentary on.... and 20 with it off but still able to hear the impact of the shots, because the sound can be a great indicator for the impact.

Why mute tho?

 

[maximus__]

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Those below 29-27 should never score MMA matches anymore.

It comes down to whether you give a 10-8 in the first. It fits the criteria but traditionally we have seen rounds like that scored a 10-9 unless it involves significant damage.

Also Usman hurt Chimaev's wrist by his own admission as it's the only moment in the round that could have caused that damage. The slam results in his right arm impacting with the canvas. Usman caused the only significant damage in that round.

Therefore the first is a 10-9 resulting in Usman winning 29-28 if scored correctly.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

I thought it was a draw. Also thought it was going to be five rounds

that’s pretty naive of you dude. I’m half expecting his imminent title shot to be 3 rounds

 

[Jfreemandrums]

The one's having Khamzat winning all 3 rounds are the blind one's.

100% he lost the 3rd round

10-8 rd1 and 10-9 rd2 for Khamzat tho

 

[Neveranine]

Come on. FIrst round was all Chimaev, yes, but did really zero damage (look at Usman's face...), round 2 could go either way and round 3 was Usman's. I can see 29-28 either way.

 

[humdizzle]

Who is Jay Petry

a guy whose almost as bad as jed meshew. The guy that watched Ortega vs Volk and scored it 47-46 volkanovski. (gave ortega a 10-8 round 3)

 

[Wetarmpits]

It comes down to whether you give a 10-8 in the first. It fits the criteria but traditionally we have seen rounds like that scored a 10-9 unless it involves significant damage.

Also Usman hurt Chimaev's wrist by his own admission as it's the only moment in the round that could have caused that damage. The slam results in his right arm impacting with the canvas. Usman caused the only significant damage in that round.

Therefore the first is a 10-9 resulting in Usman winning 29-28 if scored correctly.

New rules, Topuira had a very rare 10/7 against Emmett recently. 10/8 is totally fine in this case. He landed some good shots, was threatining with subs and had complete control. He outlanded him 61/5 in the first with 4.30min control time.

 

[RonDante]

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Those below 29-27 should never score MMA matches anymore.

“Anyone that has a different score to me should be BANNED”