US Government Shutdown

[Lead]

Trump rescinded DACA.

DACA was put in place by the previous president and taken away by the current president. If that is what the sticking point is here, then the democrats essentially have caused the shutdown over DACA. Like I mentioned earlier, it probably will be a good move for mid-terms but I worry more about how both times the minority party has done something like this and had it benefit them politically.

Furthermore, I don't want to claim Trump has any real thinking behind his actions but he did repeal it and say he wants them to come up with a solution by March. The dems easily could point to that comment as their justification for the shutdown. That's really the farthest I could bend this to say it's the GOP's fault here.

The Republican congress let CHIP expire in September. These were intentional acts that were done to play politics in an election season. Both problems should have been taken care of long ago, and there were already 3 temporary spending bills anyway. This would have been number 4. Maybe they should try governing, instead of playing politics?

Wasn't CHIP added back in for a six year extension? I heard that as a big deal for Dems and thought it was offered? Isn't it currently shutdown now only because we are now in a shutdown phase?

Also, McConnell lied to at least 2 Senators in his own party in order to get the tax cut passed.

Did he get their votes? From what I saw, the vote was 50-50, with 5 from each party flipping.

Please, I implore you to make a real effort to actually learn all the facts, and background information, before taking the partisan stance reflexively.

So far, the things you know like DACA and CHIP are similar things I was aware of but had a different view on. Can you admit that the filibuster made the shutdown far more likely to happen?

 

[Strychnine]

"Thou shall not lie"

Christian values Pence right there.

Thats the main reason i dont give a fuck about religion anymore.

Don't let people sour you on the blessings you can have sherbro. See how people act and be better than that.

 

[HomerThompson]

DACA was put in place by the previous president and taken away by the current president. If that is what the sticking point is here, then the democrats essentially have caused the shutdown over DACA. Like I mentioned earlier, it probably will be a good move for mid-terms but I worry more about how both times the minority party has done something like this and had it benefit them politically.

Furthermore, I don't want to claim Trump has any real thinking behind his actions but he did repeal it and say he wants them to come up with a solution by March. The dems easily could point to that comment as their justification for the shutdown. That's really the farthest I could bend this to say it's the GOP's fault here.

That makes absolutely no fucking sense. According to Trump, and most Republicans in Congress, they support DACA. Trump, literally, caused the issue. He doesn't rescind the protections, and there is o issue. Trying to put this at the Democrat's feet is horse shit.

Wasn't CHIP added back in for a six year extension? I heard that as a big deal for Dems and thought it was offered? Isn't it currently shutdown now only because we are now in a shutdown phase?

So what? They let it expire in the first place. Why not refund it in August or September before it expired?

Did he get their votes? From what I saw, the vote was 50-50, with 5 from each party flipping.

On what? The extension, or the tax bill?

So far, the things you know like DACA and CHIP are similar things I was aware of but had a different view on. Can you admit that the filibuster made the shutdown far more likely to happen?

You're only sort of aware apparently. Neither of those things should even be issues for the budget, because they should've already been addressed.

Again, the Republicans and Trump purposefully caused these two problems so they could use it against the Democrats in an election year.

They have the Presidency, and both houses of Congress. The only reason there isn;t a budget, and DACA and CHIP legislation is because the Republicans didn't want it. They want to use it to hurt Democrats. They are trying to pas a budget with no compromise for Democratic positions, and have created bargaining chips to do so.

 

[Rod1]

DACA was put in place by the previous president and taken away by the current president. If that is what the sticking point is here, then the democrats essentially have caused the shutdown over DACA. Like I mentioned earlier, it probably will be a good move for mid-terms but I worry more about how both times the minority party has done something like this and had it benefit them politically.

The more serious issue is see is that there is absolutely no honor among politicians anymore.

They werent even asking for it to pass, but merely a vote on it.

If politicians are saying "pass this and then we will vote on that" and they are going back on their word then they are promoting these kind of shenanigans.

 

[Lead]

The more serious issue is see is that there is absolutely no honor among politicians anymore.

They werent even asking for it to pass, but merely a vote on it.

If politicians are saying "pass this and then we will vote on that" and they are going back on their word then they are promoting these kind of shenanigans.

I agree there has been a series of events in the Senate the past decade that is causing serious concern for bipartisanship to ever exist.

 

[Rod1]

I agree there has been a series of events in the Senate the past decade that is causing serious concern for bipartisanship to ever exist.

American two party system seems to be at a breaking point.

 

[RockstarChris]

my package i shipped has miraculously disappeared from the USPS and now i am out $100. i called the USPS and they told me i should have bought insurance. What a great company.

 

[SBJJ]

DACA was put in place by the previous president and taken away by the current president. If that is what the sticking point is here, then the democrats essentially have caused the shutdown over DACA. Like I mentioned earlier, it probably will be a good move for mid-terms but I worry more about how both times the minority party has done something like this and had it benefit them politically.

Furthermore, I don't want to claim Trump has any real thinking behind his actions but he did repeal it and say he wants them to come up with a solution by March. The dems easily could point to that comment as their justification for the shutdown. That's really the farthest I could bend this to say it's the GOP's fault here.



Wasn't CHIP added back in for a six year extension? I heard that as a big deal for Dems and thought it was offered? Isn't it currently shutdown now only because we are now in a shutdown phase?



Did he get their votes? From what I saw, the vote was 50-50, with 5 from each party flipping.



So far, the things you know like DACA and CHIP are similar things I was aware of but had a different view on. Can you admit that the filibuster made the shutdown far more likely to happen?

6 year funding of CHIP was in the bill

 

[Lead]

That makes absolutely no fucking sense. According to Trump, and most Republicans in Congress, they support DACA. Trump, literally, caused the issue. He doesn't rescind the protections, and there is o issue. Trying to put this at the Democrat's feet is horse shit.

If the budget is being filibustered because they want Trump to put DACA back in place, how is the issue not over DACA? Furthermore, yes, I think the GOP and possibly even Trump may want a more permanent solution of DACA (I could be wrong there) but they aren't voting no on the budget over DACA, the democrats are.

So what? They let it expire in the first place. Why not refund it in August or September before it expired?

I would think that's the same politics that is going on here with DACA. It is something they have a choice of letting expire though if nothing got passed to keep it around. I think it's a poor idea to let it expire but they did it. The budget included a six year extension at this point so CHIP is null for why we are currently shutdown and DACA seems to still be the sticking point.

On what? The extension, or the tax bill?

The extension was 50 yay, 49 nah, 1 no vote.

You're only sort of aware apparently. Neither of those things should even be issues for the budget, because they should've already been addressed.

Again, the Republicans and Trump purposefully caused these two problems so they could use it against the Democrats in an election year.

They have the Presidency, and both houses of Congress. The only reason there isn;t a budget, and DACA and CHIP legislation is because the Republicans didn't want it. They want to use it to hurt Democrats. They are trying to pas a budget with no compromise for Democratic positions, and have created bargaining chips to do so.

Again, we seem to know the same information but have different conclusions. I think we should put CHIP to rest with the six year renewal that was offered for a one month extension. Surely that was worth a one month extension? But it didn't work. Which again brings me to the idea this is about DACA which was put in place by a president and taken out by a president. The minority party can be upset about that but that usually is what can happen when something is put in place without Congress. It's easily removed as well.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Looks like the media’s predictable narrative of blaming Republicans isn’t working this time.

 

[HomerThompson]

6 year funding of CHIP was in the bill

Purely as a political ploy. They could have funded CHIP anytime in the last 6 months.

 

[Lead]

6 year funding of CHIP was in the bill

That's whats bringing me to the point here that this shutdown is centrally over DACA.

 

[Quipling]

I agree there has been a series of events in the Senate the past decade that is causing serious concern for bipartisanship to ever exist.

These negotiations are actually making me feel pretty good. Sure, there are outliers, but there's some very effective dealmaking going on, and its allegedly being scuttled by people who aren't actually in the senate. (Graham just out and blamed John Miller, who is a whitehouse staffer).

 

[Lead]

Purely as a political ploy. They could have funded CHIP anytime in the last 6 months.

It isn''t a political plow if they agree to pass it. Then we'd be in the same place a month from now but they'd have six years of CHIP renewed.

 

[Lead]

These negotiations are actually making me feel pretty good. Sure, there are outliers, but there's some very effective dealmaking going on, and its allegedly being scuttled by people who aren't actually in the senate. (Graham just out and blamed John Miller, who is a whitehouse staffer).

I do wonder how toxic the Senate has become. I actually had more hopes with Schumer than Reid but this whole situation isn't going well. I think things would've been better if McConnell went the same time Reid went out. They both seem like scumbags to me and I think there needed to be decent turnover for that style of politics to begin to change.

 

[SBJJ]

DACA was ruled unconstitutional in the courts was it not. How is that this administrations fault

On one hand Homer says DACA should not be part of the bill then he says the bill is being obstructed because of DACA not being part of it

He wants DACA without the administration getting anything in return(wall)

There is literally nothing in the extension that the DEMS disagree with

The kicker was pages back posters trying to say this was about CHIP when CHIP was included in what the DEMS voted no on

Essentially the DEMS voted against CHIP but posters in here were saying the GOP was holding CHIP hostage by keeping it out


CHIP CHIP CHIP. There I broke the record for CHIP used in a post

 

[Lead]

American two party system seems to be at a breaking point.

There's far more polarity now and also more incentive to oppose just to oppose. I don't see it changing. The way media works today and gerrymandering allows people to live in their own world.

 

[HomerThompson]

If the budget is being filibustered because they want Trump to put DACA back in place, how is the issue not over DACA? Furthermore, yes, I think the GOP and possibly even Trump may want a more permanent solution of DACA (I could be wrong there) but they aren't voting no on the budget over DACA, the democrats are.

Again, so what? DACA shouldn't even be an issue. The Republicans are using this for political purposes. For reference, see the ad that Trump's Campaign Committee released.

I would think that's the same politics that is going on here with DACA. It is something they have a choice of letting expire though if nothing got passed to keep it around. I think it's a poor idea to let it expire but they did it. The budget included a six year extension at this point so CHIP is null for why we are currently shutdown and DACA seems to still be the sticking point.

Yes, because the Republicans are trying to get the Democrats to vote for s budget while giving them nothing. Holding the lives of 700,000 people hostage for politics is disgusting.

The extension was 50 yay, 49 nah, 1 no vote.

I was talking about the tax bill vote.

Again, we seem to know the same information but have different conclusions. I think we should put CHIP to rest with the six year renewal that was offered for a one month extension. Surely that was worth a one month extension? But it didn't work. Which again brings me to the idea this is about DACA which was put in place by a president and taken out by a president. The minority party can be upset about that but that usually is what can happen when something is put in place without Congress. It's easily removed as well.

Again, you're completely excusing the Republicans for making this mess in the first place. Also, a Democratic Senator tried to get a motion to pass funding for military personnel, and to pay death benefits, but McConnell objected to it an blocked it.

This is purely politics from The Republicans.

Now they can screw the Dreamers, and blame the Democrats for a government shutdown. It's baffling that people are falling for it.


Also, the President can remove the protections, but it's morally reprehensible, and he has repeatedly said he wants them to stay. Trump and Republican leadership are the ones who rejected a bipartisan compromise. Trump is the one who didn't negotiate in good faith at the meeting where he said that we don;t need any immigrants form Africa, or Haiti, but need people from Norway.

I don't know how I can be more clear, Trump and the Republicans have poisoned the well, and are not arguing in good faith. You are completely ignoring this as if it's irrelevant. But, it's the entire crux of the issue.

 

[Lead]

These negotiations are actually making me feel pretty good. Sure, there are outliers, but there's some very effective dealmaking going on, and its allegedly being scuttled by people who aren't actually in the senate. (Graham just out and blamed John Miller, who is a whitehouse staffer).

I read your post wrong. If you feel good, do you think we will see a resolution sometime this week? I can't imagine this lasting more than a week.

 

[HomerThompson]

It isn''t a political plow if they agree to pass it. Then we'd be in the same place a month from now but they'd have six years of CHIP renewed.

Why don't Republicans immediately put forward a clean bill to fund CHIP for a decade? Why not? It would absolutely pass, so why not?