US Government Shutdown

[SBJJ]

Why don't Republicans immediately put forward a clean bill to fund CHIP for a decade? Why not? It would absolutely pass, so why not?

They just did for 6 years. This bill is clean. Name something in it the DEMS oppose

 

[Lead]

]Again, you're completely excusing the Republicans for making this mess in the first place. Also, a Democratic Senator tried to get a motion to pass funding for military personnel, and to pay death benefits, but McConnell objected to it an blocked it.

We actually didn't talk about that yet. I don't agree with that move. They are playing hardball to try to put pressure on Dems to just get this over with. If the Dems don't budge, more people get fucked over. They shouldn't do that.

Again, so what? DACA shouldn't even be an issue. The Republicans are using this for political purposes. For reference, see the ad that Trump's Campaign Committee released.
Yes, because the Republicans are trying to get the Democrats to vote for s budget while giving them nothing. Holding the lives of 700,000 people hostage for politics is disgusting.
This is purely politics from The Republicans.
Now they can screw the Dreamers, and blame the Democrats for a government shutdown. It's baffling that people are falling for it.
Also, the President can remove the protections, but it's morally reprehensible, and he has repeatedly said he wants them to stay. Trump and Republican leadership are the ones who rejected a bipartisan compromise. Trump is the one who didn't negotiate in good faith at the meeting where he said that we don;t need any immigrants form Africa, or Haiti, but need people from Norway.
I don't know how I can be more clear, Trump and the Republicans have poisoned the well, and are not arguing in good faith. You are completely ignoring this as if it's irrelevant. But, it's the entire crux of the issue.

If you remember what I started my premise on, it was the shutdown was over DACA. I believe we are now in agreement with that. The blame I would assume we still disagree but it was good for us to reach this point at the very least.

If you want to know my views on DACA, I think it should be put in place a law eventually. If a party chooses not to make it a law, I don't think the government should be shutdown until they do so. That what elections are for. The Dems already are set up for a mid-term landslide where they can begin pushing for immigration reform. They can't expect to carry much weight when they have no control of congress or the white house though. That's why I was surprised they didn't just make this an issue during the week and allow it to pass without a filibuster.

 

[HomerThompson]

They just did for 6 years. This bill is clean. Name something in it the DEMS oppose

Do you have the text of the measure?

 

[SBJJ]

1 minute. The GOP will not compromise!!

Next minute. The GOP would not fund CHIP the way we wanted them to months ago but will fund it 6 years now!!

Can you name how the Dems have compromised in this as the party not in power?

 

[Lead]

Why don't Republicans immediately put forward a clean bill to fund CHIP for a decade? Why not? It would absolutely pass, so why not?

So you're complain over the premise of getting a six year extension of chip for the GOP (and everyone) getting a one month extension of the government not being shutdown is..... it is 6 years and not 10?

 

[SBJJ]

Do you have the text of the measure?

I have NOT seen 1 Senator come out against anything actually in the bill.

This is about DACA

 

[Quipling]

I read your post wrong. If you feel good, do you think we will see a resolution sometime this week? I can't imagine this lasting more than a week.

I'm not going to predict in that sense, because that depends on the white house as much as it does the senate. Senators from both sides of the aisle have expressed disappointment with the whitehouse's shifting positions. Even McConnell is commenting on it. You can't negotiate with someone who has no set position.

 

[HomerThompson]

So you're complain over the premise of getting a six year extension of chip for the GOP (and everyone) getting a one month extension of the government not being shutdown is..... it is 6 years and not 10?

I don't agree with another stop gap at all, personally. They have already passed 3 to keep the government funded since the fiscal year started on Oct. 1. The Republicans were too busy passing huge tax cuts for the rich to actually pass a budget. That's in addition to repealing DACA, and letting CHIP expire. But...


In addition to keeping the government open, the bill would provide funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program for six years, and it would delay or suspend a handful of taxes imposed by the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/us/politics/government-shutdown-house-vote.html

Still hacking at the ACA. Why would Democrats support more chicanery? Also, the Republicans haven't been negotiating in good faith for years now. Why would the Democrats trust them at all? What evidence is there that there would be good faith negotiations for a permanent budget?

 

[HomerThompson]

I have NOT seen 1 Senator come out against anything actually in the bill.

This is about DACA

So, no then.

 

[HomerThompson]

I have NOT seen 1 Senator come out against anything actually in the bill.

This is about DACA

I don't agree with another stop gap at all, personally. They have already passed 3 to keep the government funded since the fiscal year started on Oct. 1. The Republicans were too busy passing huge tax cuts for the rich to actually pass a budget. That's in addition to repealing DACA, and letting CHIP expire. But...


In addition to keeping the government open, the bill would provide funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program for six years, and it would delay or suspend a handful of taxes imposed by the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/us/politics/government-shutdown-house-vote.html

Still hacking at the ACA. Why would Democrats support more chicanery? Also, the Republicans haven't been negotiating in good faith for years now. Why would the Democrats trust them at all? What evidence is there that there would be good faith negotiations for a permanent budget?

 

[phipps66]

Regular people suffer while these rich men play politics.

Furloughed Gov employee currently working OT for no pay crew checking in.

 

[Lead]

I'm not going to predict in that sense, because that depends on the white house as much as it does the senate. Senators from both sides of the aisle have expressed disappointment with the whitehouse's shifting positions. Even McConnell is commenting on it. You can't negotiate with someone who has no set position.

I think whatever negotiations they have, they pretty much have to keep the WH out of it and then assume whatever agreement they come to will be what they pressure Trump to sign. He likely would put unnecessary roadblocks that don't need to be there and should only be brough in once a deal is brokered

 

[Lead]

I don't agree with another stop gap at all, personally. They have already passed 3 to keep the government funded since the fiscal year started on Oct. 1. The Republicans were too busy passing huge tax cuts for the rich to actually pass a budget. That's in addition to repealing DACA,

I'm concerned as well that Congress has failed for a very long time in passing a budget. This isn't anything new and they have historically sucked at this. It's a central concern I have with our system right now when it comes to spending and the deficit. There seems to hardly be any measures to push back on it and there isn't much political currency in working on it.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ong-struggled-to-pass-spending-bills-on-time/

and letting CHIP expire. But...


In addition to keeping the government open, the bill would provide funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program for six years, and it would delay or suspend a handful of taxes imposed by the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/us/politics/government-shutdown-house-vote.html

Still hacking at the ACA. Why would Democrats support more chicanery? Also, the Republicans haven't been negotiating in good faith for years now. Why would the Democrats trust them at all? What evidence is there that there would be good faith negotiations for a permanent budget?

I don't think it's 100% certain Dems are upset that tax raises would be delayed in ACA. It's possible but if it is, we've moved from arguing this is over CHIP funding to this is over ACA taxes not going into affect.

 

[Joe]

DACA was ruled unconstitutional in the courts was it not. How is that this administrations fault

On one hand Homer says DACA should not be part of the bill then he says the bill is being obstructed because of DACA not being part of it

He wants DACA without the administration getting anything in return(wall)

There is literally nothing in the extension that the DEMS disagree with

The kicker was pages back posters trying to say this was about CHIP when CHIP was included in what the DEMS voted no on

Essentially the DEMS voted against CHIP but posters in here were saying the GOP was holding CHIP hostage by keeping it out


CHIP CHIP CHIP. There I broke the record for CHIP used in a post

You realize as I write this dhs is taking daca applications? Its so illegal that it's still going on.

 

[SBJJ]

So, no then.

So what are you against then. Lol

 

[Fluffernutter]

AFN (American Forces Network) was down due to the shutdown. It was deemed "not essential"

People complained that it meant military bases and embassies could not watch the football games today.

Then, AFN was deemed essential, and was turned back on....just in time for the games.

So, hundreds of thousands of people's pay checks are NOT deemed essential, but watching a football game is...

 

[HomerThompson]

AFN (American Forces Network) was down due to the shutdown. It was deemed "not essential"

People complained that it meant military bases and embassies could not watch the football games today.

Then, AFN was deemed essential, and was turned back on....just in time for the games.

So, hundreds of thousands of people's pay checks are NOT deemed essential, but watching a football game is...

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

That's whats bringing me to the point here that this shutdown is centrally over DACA.

It seems both sides want Daca , the republicans are using it to try and pressure the dems , it's gamesmanship , negotiating something like this is supposed to be about compromise , they essentially are not giving up anything and wanting something in return imo

 

[SBJJ]

You realize as I write this dhs is taking daca applications? Its so illegal that it's still going on.

You are correct. No court has found it unconstitutional. The Supreme Court ruled on a matter closely to it 4-4 when the court had only 8 justices at the time.

It comes down to execute or legislative. I'm actually fine with any non felony dreamers getting complete citizenship. The thing is, I'm bit president

 

[SBJJ]

It seems both sides want Daca , the republicans are using it to try and pressure the dems , it's gamesmanship , negotiating something like this is supposed to be about compromise , they essentially are not giving up anything and wanting something in return imo

DACA is the compromise