US Government Shutdown

[zebby23]

If you don't want your family apart...stop doing something that might result into having your family torn apart in the first place....

Fleeing a war torn area overrun by drug cartels is the reason they come here in many cases. No jobs, no fresh water, no food. Sounds to me like a fine reason to move your family to a place that has all those things. I'm sure you would just sit there and starve though because you are much more alpha than them

 

[zebby23]

so does that mean we should not send american criminals to prison because, you know, ripping families apart?

the parents of dreamers clearly broke immigration law, but hey guess what we will let their children petition them over after granting their children legal status. that is a very good way to encourage future illegal aliens. oh hey guys, come to USA illegally and we will grant you and your children legal status 15-20 years from now from DACA v.2

Did these people who came here illegally break any laws once entering the US? I don't mean the simple act of coming here but breaking laws ONCE they arrived here? If so then sure, jail them and deport. If the only crime was coming here then we need to work on a plan to get them a pathway (considering they are already here) and in many circumstances have integrated into society.

Pass a law now saying any FUTURE immigrants will be sent back and that means your entire family. I'm completely against tearing families apart. Either all stay or all go.

I and almost every other lib I know wants protection at our southern border and we don't want illegal immigrants being able to come here and stay but we have to do something with the people who are already here and that does not include deportation.

 

[Rational Poster]

That was before you started bragging about your job as a manager at McDonalds and made a complete fool of yourself.

Okay why do native americans have claim to the land?

I didn't brag about anything. You tried to call me a communist and I put your dumb ass right back in your place.

 

[Toothless King]

Did these people who came here illegally break any laws once entering the US? I don't mean the simple act of coming here but breaking laws ONCE they arrived here? If so then sure, jail them and deport. If the only crime was coming here then we need to work on a plan to get them a pathway (considering they are already here) and in many circumstances have integrated into society.

Pass a law now saying any FUTURE immigrants will be sent back and that means your entire family. I'm completely against tearing families apart. Either all stay or all go.

I and almost every other lib I know wants protection at our southern border and we don't want illegal immigrants being able to come here and stay but we have to do something with the people who are already here and that does not include deportation.

I'm 100% sure we already have that law for a very very long time. Your post make it sound as if we currently have a law that children of illegals are permit to stay and their parents are not.

 

[EZShrimpn]

I didn't brag about anything. You tried to call me a communist and I put your dumb ass right back in your place.

I mocked you as a LARPy utopian retard Rat Puncher. A claim I still stand by.

 

[zebby23]

I'm 100% sure we already have that law for a very very long time. Your post make it sound as if we currently have a law that children of illegals are permit to stay and their parents are not.

Parents are being deported while their children (who were born here in many cases) are permitted to stay, thus tearing families apart. My point is we need to address that.

As far as Dreamers, children shouldn't be punished because their parents broke the law. If a child is in school and integrated into society it does not make sense to send them back to a country they do not remember

 

[Toothless King]

also, we already have an immigration amnesty back in 1986 (Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986)

The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also known as the Simpson–Mazzoli Act or the Reagan Amnesty,[1] signed into law by Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act[2]

• required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status;
• made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants knowingly;
• legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants, and;
• legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed at least a minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.

At the time, the Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that about four million illegal immigrants would apply for legal status through the act and that roughly half of them would be eligible.[3]

 

[Rational Poster]

I mocked you as a LARPy utopian retard Rat Puncher. A claim I still stand by.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

That was before you started bragging about your job as a manager at McDonalds and made a complete fool of yourself.

Okay why do native americans have claim to the land?

Lol , you essentially call the guy commie scum , he defends himself from your childish accusation and you accuse him of bragging

How many accounts is this for you now ?

 

[Rational Poster]

also, we already have an immigration amnesty back in 1986 (Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986)

We've had at least two other sinces then as well.


And many other previously in our history. The precedent is set, amnesty is possible and been done before many times very successfully.

 

[KantoTerror]

Fleeing a war torn area overrun by drug cartels is the reason they come here in many cases. No jobs, no fresh water, no food. Sounds to me like a fine reason to move your family to a place that has all those things. I'm sure you would just sit there and starve though because you are much more alpha than them

yes...keep your children safe and send them to the other side of the border...you should know as an adult there there are also consequences when you do it...risking your family torn apart...don't expect it's going to be all good...common sense....more important here is that your kids are safe...

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Has any progress been made today?

Well a bunch of posters have shown yourselves to be clueless dupes by trying to pin the potential shutdown on the democrats..... I call that a progress of a sort .

 

[Toothless King]

Parents are being deported while their children (who were born here in many cases) are permitted to stay, thus tearing families apart. My point is we need to address that.

As far as Dreamers, children shouldn't be punished because their parents broke the law. If a child is in school and integrated into society it does not make sense to send them back to a country they do not remember

you might as well just grant amnesty to all 10 million illegals because I bet most (if not all of them) have children born in USA

 

[zebby23]

yes...keep your children safe and send them to the other side of the border...you should know as an adult there there are also consequences when you do it...risking your family torn apart...don't expect it's going to be all good...common sense....more important here is that your kids are safe...

It sounds like the only disagreement we have is you are saying fine, go ahead and do it but know the risks before you do it and accept them. I agree with this but I'm going a step further and saying, lets figure out a way to keep the ones already here together and let them stay. Any FUTURE people who come across illegally must ALL go back. Parents and children.

 

[zebby23]

you might as well just grant amnesty to all 10 million illegals because I bet most (if not all of them) have children born in USA

If my only 2 choices are amnesty or sending them all back then yes, I'm for amnesty. Provided they are not criminals.

 

[EZShrimpn]

Lol , you essentially call the guy commie scum , he defends himself from your childish accusation and you accuse him of bragging

Nah I think I hit the nail on the head. He was just arguing in this thread that we don't need to conserve resources and that we can meet infinite human demand because we aren't currently all living in Venezuela.


Sounds like some standard star trek nerd post-scarcity techno-socialist babble. The whole "Fully automated luxury gay space communism" trope seems to predict most of his posts.

 

[HomerThompson]

you might as well just grant amnesty to all 10 million illegals because I bet most (if not all of them) have children born in USA

Sounds good to me. Let's get them all paying taxes and making better wages.

 

[reflector]

Well a bunch of posters have shown yourselves to be clueless dupes by trying to pin the potential shutdown on the democrats..... I call that a progress of a sort .

I consider myself to be more of a moderate. I personally don’t have much faith in Republicans or Democrats. I was just wanting to know if any progress had even made today on either side.

 

[zebby23]

Nah I think I hit the nail on the head. He was just arguing in this thread that we don't need to conserve resources and that we can meet infinite human demand because we aren't currently all living in Venezuela.


Sounds like some standard star trek nerd post-scarcity socialist utopian rubbish.

Can I ask how can you expect anyone to actually have a conversation with you and your new account when you act so damn childish?

 

[zebby23]

I consider myself to be more of a moderate. I personally don’t have much faith in Republicans or Democrats. I was just wanting to know if any progress had even made today on either side.

Nah, Republicans are playing the blame game and acting immature as usual (Shutdown Schumer) and Dems want to negotiate because Repubs need their votes.