US Government Shutdown

[HomerThompson]

No their parents came to US illegally, and should bear the consequences instead of being rewarded with citizenships.

Deportation for parents, path to green card for dreamers

You're from Canada, shut up. I'll discuss immigration to the US with fellow citizens. Thanks.

 

[Toothless King]

Dreamers' parents should come too. Citizenship path for Dreamers and their parents. E-verify for all hiring in the US. That's the simple, quick bill to me.

E-verify has been around 2006.

You grant dreamers legal residence AND allow them to petition their parents (who broke immigration law in the first place, not their children). That is an encouragement, not a deterrence for future illegal aliens. 15-20 years from now we will have to go through this crap again.

 

[HomerThompson]

E-verify has been around 2006.

You grant dreamers legal residence AND allow them to petition their parents (who broke immigration law in the first place, not their children). That is an encouragement, not a deterrence for future illegal aliens. 15-20 years from now we will have to go through this crap again.

For all businesses? I'm 100% certain that's not true.

 

[HomerThompson]

E-verify has been around 2006.

You grant dreamers legal residence AND allow them to petition their parents (who broke immigration law in the first place, not their children). That is an encouragement, not a deterrence for future illegal aliens. 15-20 years from now we will have to go through this crap again.

I don't care. It makes sense to bring their parents here, because it helps the buy in to our society. Might as well keep the money, and loyalty, at home.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

How so?

 

[Toothless King]

I don't care. It makes sense to bring their parents here, because it helps the buy in to our society. Might as well keep the money, and loyalty, at home.

so how do you plan to secure the border?

do you deter crimes by giving criminals rewards?

 

[Toothless King]

For all businesses? I'm 100% certain that's not true.

how do you plan to enforce that? it's always been illegal to hire undocumented aliens , but i am sure you know how well that goes

 

[sub_thug]

Dreamers' parents should come too. Citizenship path for Dreamers and their parents. E-verify for all hiring in the US. That's the simple, quick bill to me.

Rand Paul had an awesome compromise on this issue, IMO. The Dreamers and their parents are given a legal immigration status, as the Democrats want. That's totally fine, no issues. Just count the parents against the yearly immigration numbers. To kind of piggyback on how he said it on Meet the Press, if we allow 1M immigrants per year, and there are 200K Dreamer parents, we simply allow for an additional 800K immigrants. That way, we can control the flow and we don't have 1.2M immigrants, which is more than we expect that can work in the US. (BTW, the 1M number is an arbitrary figure, as we would want Labor statistics to help us determine how many immigrants we can take in and at what education levels/fields of work that we can accommodate. That seems pretty reasonable.

Using the 1M figure, we can say that 300K are immigrants who are coming over on school visas to get PhDs or advanced degrees, and of course, we want those immigrants to stay to work in the STEM fields. Those are no-brainers for any reasonable person. We also know that we want certain numbers of people to work in agriculture/consttruction/cleaning services (working at the dry cleaners or as maids)/etc., and maybe that's the other 700K. With the Dreamer parents, since we know that they are going to work if they are going to contribute to society, we say that they are a part of that 700K because that's where we can reasonably assume that they will be. I say this because it seems far less likely that someone would come to the US to have an "anchor baby" if they are from the UK unless they were doing it as a mechanism to expedite political asylum for some weird reason.

 

[Orgasmo]

You're from Canada, shut up. I'll discuss immigration to the US with fellow citizens. Thanks.

Didn't know there was US citizenship requirement for US policy discussion on Sherdog. We should ban @Rod1 from any immigration thread from this point on immediately.

 

[HomerThompson]

Didn't know there was US citizenship requirement for US policy discussion on Sherdog. We should ban @Rod1 from any immigration thread from this point on immediately.

No, just you. There's no reason to care about your opinion on immigration to the US from Mexico. If you have policy ideas, that's one thing, but your opinion isn't worth shit.

"...bear the consequences instead of being rewarded with citizenship."

Shut up, nerd.

 

[Orgasmo]

No, just you. There's no reason to care about your opinion on immigration to the US from Mexico. If you have policy ideas, that's one thing, but your opinion isn't worth shit.

"...bear the consequences instead of being rewarded with citizenship."

Shut up, nerd.

You think your opinion on the internet matters more because of your nationality? You leftists are a funny bunch with your inflated sense of self worth.

Common sense, try it sometimes.

 

[Swing]

So for people who think the Democrats are going to eat the blame for this, More blame Republicans than Democrats for potential government shutdown, Post-ABC poll finds.

46% of independents blame Trump and Republicans while only 25% of independents blame Democrats.

 

[Joe]

all this noise is just to pass a cr so we can be back at this a few weeks from now. Are they going to just keep punting forever?

 

[HIMBOB]

They were having nice friendly circle jerk and you ruined it.

How many days would the US govt have to be shtu down for to balance the 2018 budget?

Good question. I'm thinking like 5000.

The problem isn't government employees it's interest payments on gov debt. Late on one payment will cost you much more long term.

Edit: my bad interest payments aren't suspended in this case (thats not till they hit the debt ceiling in March).

As to savings though,


Does a government shutdown save money?
While estimates vary widely, evidence suggests that shutdowns tend to cost, not save, money. For one, putting contingency plans in place has a real cost. In addition, many user fees and other charges are not collected during a shutdown. Contractors sometimes include premiums in their bids to account for uncertainty in being paid. And although many federal employees are forced to be idle during a shutdown, they have historically received back pay, negating much of those potential savings. OMB official estimates of the 2013 government shutdown found that $2.5 billion in pay and benefits was paid to furloughed employees for hours not worked during the shutdown, as well as roughly $10 million in penalty interest payments and lost fee collections.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Why is there no discussion on the nearing government shutdown?

Have people mentally checked out? Is the threat of a shutdown so common that people are numb to the idea of it actually happening? Almost like having a silent nihilistic/anarchical hope that it will actually shutdown?

Well it seems like you are about to get your wish, because reports are saying that it is likely.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/18/government-shutdown-congress-trump-deadline

What do you think will happen if it shuts down?

Fuck Pelosi and Schumer.

 

[KantoTerror]

the majority of americans want a pathway to citizenship for dreamers, its only you retards at the_donald who are against it

So you really think open borders is what pathway to citizenship for dreamers? interdasting....

 

[M3t4tr0n]

How so?

If you look around this thread you will see where people are pointing out how money is lost durring a shut down and how the GOP will take the blame.

 

[zebby23]

No their parents came to US illegally, and should bear the consequences instead of being rewarded with citizenships.

Deportation for parents, path to green card for dreamers

Ya, splitting families is the best option. Ripping families apart. Definitely the best thing to do

 

[44nutman]

Rand Paul had an awesome compromise on this issue, IMO. The Dreamers and their parents are given a legal immigration status, as the Democrats want. That's totally fine, no issues. Just count the parents against the yearly immigration numbers. To kind of piggyback on how he said it on Meet the Press, if we allow 1M immigrants per year, and there are 200K Dreamer parents, we simply allow for an additional 800K immigrants. That way, we can control the flow and we don't have 1.2M immigrants, which is more than we expect that can work in the US. (BTW, the 1M number is an arbitrary figure, as we would want Labor statistics to help us determine how many immigrants we can take in and at what education levels/fields of work that we can accommodate. That seems pretty reasonable.

Using the 1M figure, we can say that 300K are immigrants who are coming over on school visas to get PhDs or advanced degrees, and of course, we want those immigrants to stay to work in the STEM fields. Those are no-brainers for any reasonable person. We also know that we want certain numbers of people to work in agriculture/consttruction/cleaning services (working at the dry cleaners or as maids)/etc., and maybe that's the other 700K. With the Dreamer parents, since we know that they are going to work if they are going to contribute to society, we say that they are a part of that 700K because that's where we can reasonably assume that they will be. I say this because it seems far less likely that someone would come to the US to have an "anchor baby" if they are from the UK unless they were doing it as a mechanism to expedite political asylum for some weird reason.

I actually like that plan.

 

[Rational Poster]

So you really think open borders is what pathway to citizenship for dreamers? interdasting....

What open borders?