What or who is the new default?
Yeah, because regime changes where you don't have any clue what the new regime will be have such a track record of success. I'm not going to lie, I don't actually know if I can remember a post 1900 occupation that was successful and where the new regime was picked after the fact. Maybe you can help me out and toss out some examples.
there will probably be some international coalition tasked with overseeing things there is my guess, including rebuilding efforts.
it really doesn't matter, because hamas staying in power was not an option. le'ts not pretend there are lots of examples similar to hamas and the threat they posed to their direct neighbor. whatever comes next will have to commit to recognizing israel's right to exist, and to holding their people accountable for terrorism. a tall ask, i know.....
That'd be one of the better options, yet I've seen no legwork on making this happen. Not to mention Israel has managed to ostracize more than a few allies.
So it really doesn't matter that Israel has opted for a approach with an extremely high failure rate based on even a generous reading of the historical record. Got it.
if the Hamas "militant movement" cares so much about the humanitarian situation in gaza then maybe they shouldnt have invaded israel and taken a bunch of hostages. How's that working out for them?
there were no good choices. certainly hamas staying in power was not a viable choice. and, like i said, there are very few, if any, comparable historical situations to model after. and there's been no surrender here. no chance at a transfer of power.
You didn't want to consider Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, which are about as successful a regime change oof a fanatical enemy you'll find?
remind me, they surrendered, correct? after a devastating world war.
Yup, they surrendered and as a concession were allowed to partially integrate into the leaderships and governmental structure of post-war regimes. It's the kind of continuity that was so lacking in Iraq and led to even more misery after deposing the Baathists. Israel seems to be going for the latter approach.
- Was 07/11 justifiable. Because US has been causing desistera around the globe. Some times even to get cheap fruits and coffe?
What would you do if your neighbor was a terrorist? Just let him be or make sure he doesn't cause harm to your family? Even then, Israel left in 2005. That is almost 2 decades ago. They didn't prosper in Gaza because they elected a terror group that invested solely in military. Why don't other Arab nations want these people? Because it's a culture that has terror rooted in deeply. These are people that cheer death to America.
I'd advise taking an approach like the UK did with Ireland and focusing on not shooting yourself in the foot by constantly antagonizing a population as the colonial power.
WW2
You literally advocate for a strategy where hamas stays in power of Gaza. So, yeah, the Germany analogy would have the nazi’s in power. Luckily, the nazi’s did unconditionally surrender after losing the war, enabling a victor occupation and rebuild.
It’s telling that you’re now reaching for a but lebanon…….
You forgot the part where planning comes between 2 and 3. Which has been my point this whole time.
You aren't big on Israel learning from mistakes, huh? Arrogance and occupation don't usually turn out well for either occupier or occupied.
Lol at Hamas crying about others not being held accountableBy Humeyra Pamuk and Daphne Psaledakis
- Summary
WASHINGTON, Nov 12 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden's administration has concluded that Israel is not currently impeding assistance to Gaza and therefore is not violating U.S. law, the State Department said on Tuesday, even as Washington acknowledged the humanitarian situation remained dire in the Palestinian enclave.
- State Dept says Israel made progress on humanitarian demands
- Aid groups say Israel missed Tuesday deadline for improvement
- US says humanitarian situation remains dire, more change needed
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in an Oct. 13 letter gave their Israeli counterparts a list of specific steps that Israel needed to do within 30 days to address the worsening situation in Gaza. Failure to do so may have possible consequences on U.S. military aid to Israel, they said in the letter.
Eight international aid groups, including Oxfam and Save the Children, said in a report that Israel had failed to meet the demands by the Tuesday deadline.
In a later statement on Tuesday, the Palestinian Hamas militant movement that rules Gaza criticized the Biden administration's assertion that Israel had taken measures to improve the humanitarian situation in the enclave.
The assessment was "an affirmation of President Biden's complete partnership in the brutal genocide against our people in the Gaza Strip," Hamas said.
The group again accused Washington of providing political and military cover for Israel and protecting it from being held accountable.
Sir. Were suporting a terrorist army doing a genocide?
- Dont be a fool, Joe. Baby US is incapable of any wrongdoing!
Were the good guys, dammit!
Biden, whose term ends soon, has offered strong backing to Israel since Hamas-led gunmen attacked Israel in October 2023, killing 1,200 people and taking more than 250 hostages.
More than 43,500 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since then. Gaza has been reduced to a wasteland of wrecked buildings and piles of rubble where more than 2 million Gazans seek shelter as best they can.
State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said in a Nov. 4 briefing that despite Israel's measures to increase aid access the results on the ground in Gaza were not good enough.
Blinken in a meeting with Israel's Minister of Strategic Affairs Ron Dermer on Monday also emphasized the need for Israel's steps to lead to improvements on the ground.
Patel declined to say why Washington chose to make its assessment based on Israel's measures to address the problems instead of results on the ground, which U.S. officials have repeatedly said would be their measuring stick.
- Super-Man slaping a genocide suport!
ISRAEL'S STEPS
On Tuesday, Patel said Israel had taken some steps, including reopening the Erez crossing, waiving certain customs requirements, and opening additional delivery routes within Gaza.
COGAT, the Israeli military agency that deals with Palestinian civilian affairs, on Sunday published a list of Israeli humanitarian efforts over the past six months, "highlighting recent initiatives and detailing plans to sustain support for Gaza as winter approaches."
Israel's U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon welcomed the statement from the State Department. "We work very closely with our allies in Washington," he told reporters. "We did a lot. We worked very hard in order to assist the humanitarian needs in Gaza."
"It's challenging ... because on the other side, you have Hamas. So even if we allow trucks to cross the checkpoints, Hamas will hijack the trucks, and sometimes even when we do 100% we cannot guarantee the results," he added.
The U.S. deadline expired just days after global food security experts said there was a "strong likelihood that famine is imminent" in parts of northern Gaza, as Israel pursues a military offensive against Hamas militants in the area.
For more than a month, Israeli forces have been pushing deeper into northern Gaza, surrounding hospitals and shelters and displacing new waves of people in an operation they say is designed to prevent Hamas fighters regrouping.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-finds-that-israel-is-not-impeding-assistance-gaza-2024-11-12/
All the lego and Street fighter memes definitely gives this an air of credibility as serious journalismDeadly Israeli strike shatters sense of ‘safety’ in remote north Lebanon
The villagers of Ain Yaaqoub spent days identifying charred remains. They fear Israel was targeting displaced people.
A red 'I love you' teddy bear lies in the ruins of a two-storey apartment block in Ain Yaaqoub, Akkar, Lebanon, in the aftermath of an Israeli air raid on Monday night [Raghed Waked/Al Jazeera]
By Madeline Edwards
Published On 13 Nov 202413 Nov 2024
Ain Yaaqoub, Lebanon – Shredded clothing, dusty broken table legs, torn copies of the Quran, a red “I love you” teddy bear and a book on Aristotle amid piles of socks – these, among many other things, lie strewn amid the rubble in the northern Lebanese village of Ain Yaaqoub in Akkar following a deadly Israeli air raid.
Beneath all this, at least one body remains trapped under the rubble of what was a two-storey apartment building, Red Cross rescuers say. Metres away, charred, unrecognisable body parts litter the ground.
- Dont worry fellow Israely. Hollywood will do a movie, painting us as heroes! Go find some woman that we can rape!
Monday night’s Israeli air strike on Ain Yaaqoub in this remote, far northern corner of Lebanon, killed at least 14 people, says Walid Semaan, head of the Lebanese Red Cross’ northern branch.
This was the second Israeli attack on Akkar, Lebanon’s northernmost governorate, since Israel ramped up its deadly bombardment of Lebanon in late September. The previous hit, a week before, destroyed a bridge linking two remote villages in the mountainous region. Nobody was killed that time around.
The attack on Monday, however, was even further north and was nothing less than a “massacre”, according to people in Ain Yaaqoub, taking out not only the apartment building but many more homes around it as well.
“There were so many women and children,” says Feryal Harb, whose deceased brother owned the building that was struck. She weeps as she sits on a concrete block next to the wreckage while neighbours unearth family photo albums and Qurans, handing them to her in succession. “We have so many memories here,” she says.
A little way up the hill from the blast site, Red Cross volunteers shout that they have found more body parts.
Another relative, Hassan Sahmarouni, says he believes the building had been housing about 26 people. But rescuers could not determine which of the dead they unearthed were women, men or children; their bodies were charred and crushed beyond recognition.
At a nearby government hospital are 14 wounded, expected to survive. Another hospital received a burned torso late on Monday night; administrators say they cannot yet determine its identity.
- Kill all civilians. Mmma US will protect us. Err, unless we cross paths with China!
The concrete building housed a Syrian woman and her four daughters who had moved in several years ago. One floor above them was a Lebanese family who had arrived in recent weeks from southern Lebanon’s Nabatieh district, fleeing Israeli bombs, neighbours told Al Jazeera. It was not clear to them why this building in a tiny mountain village, surrounded by olive groves and little else, was struck.
“They kept to themselves, we never got to know them,” says Amina Radwan, a mother of four, whose next-door home is now mangled and blanketed in shards of window glass. She and her children had been out of the house shopping for groceries when the bomb hit. “If we got back home five minutes earlier, God knows what would have happened.”
A false sense of security?
- Heey guys, theres bedridden perople at the hospital. They ease to shot, since we got horrible aim!
With so many dead and multiple surrounding homes ripped apart, residents here now fear they are no longer isolated from a war that has, until now, spared them.
Since October last year, Israeli strikes on Lebanon have killed about 3,300 people, the majority of them since Israel’s onslaught escalated in September. More than 1.2 million people have fled their homes in these two months. Tens of thousands have taken refuge in schools converted into shelters.
Others, however, have moved into vacant apartments in quieter areas of the country away from the front lines, including here in mountainous Akkar.
Some 170km (105 miles) from Lebanon’s embattled southern border and a three-hour drive from the capital, Beirut, Akkar’s remoteness has long meant government neglect. With few job opportunities, many residents work in agriculture or join the army – lending the governorate its nickname, “storehouse of the army”.
- We shoot another american citzen. Don't worry, US goverment will protect us!
But since Israel began its onslaught on Gaza which triggered a near-daily exchange of fire with Hezbollah across the border in Lebanon more than a year ago, that distance gave Akkar a sense of relative safety.
“We didn’t think this could happen here,” says Ahmed Rakhieh, who lives right next to the bomb site.
“Now, khalas [enough]! Nowhere is safe.”
Moments later, the sound of an unseen Israeli fighter jet reverberates.
Zangief: Are you sayng those people defend Israel, even thought they're the bad guys?
No. Hamas aren't actually interested in accountability
What a weird way to absolve Hamas of blame for raping and butchering and attempting genocide
