International Updated: Trump says he authorised CIA in Venezuela as Maduro says 'no to regime change'

[Rod1]

They are very clearly not terrorists if using what the actual US laws on terrorism say.

Im intrigued on this one, at least in Mexico its obvious they are terrorists as they use terror to achieve political goal.

 

[Rod1]

They're literally capitalists who must just operate outside of the legal framework. They procure means of production, and move their product. They only get politically involved insomuch as it effects their ability to build wealth.

They need political power to operate and they use terror to achieve political power.

 

[Rod1]

That moment when conservatives reveal that their perspective on not using more tax dollars for Military action against foreign nations is total BS.

Blockading Venezuela has nothing to do with cartels, and never has. It has to do with desired resource procurement.

It would be infinitely more easy to procure Venezuelans resources by paying up Maduro and his cronies to let American companies operate, something that was the status quo until around 2019.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Ok, so what's your point?

You think cartels are participating in human trafficking to achieve some kind of political gain?

Good to know that your "facts" rely on the obfuscation of the definition of words.

What's next? Are you going to tell me that the Epstein files were a "hoax" perpetuated by democrats? Is that a "fact" too? Because that's what it's been "labeled" as? Or does "hoax" really mean something else now?

You're either a troll, really dumb, or just being dishonest because of this apparent eggshell ego you got going. Words have definitions.

My brother, does the United States label cartels as terrorist organizations? They do. It is a fact.

 

[Rob Battisti]

They need political power to operate and they use terror to achieve political power.

Yeah very “apolitical” SMDH

 

[avenue94]

Im intrigued on this one, at least in Mexico its obvious they are terrorists as they use terror to achieve political goal.

What's their political goal?

 

[helltoupee]

They're literally capitalists who must just operate outside of the legal framework. They procure means of production, and move their product. They only get politically involved insomuch as it effects their ability to build wealth.

It's ridiculous.

@Rob Battisti thinks he's being clever by saying it's a "fact" that that drug cartels are now labeled as "terrorists". That is a fact that the label has been applied.

He will not and can not argue that the word terrorism has nothing to do with the crime that they engage in.

 

[helltoupee]

My brother, does the United States label cartels as terrorist organizations? They do. It is a fact.

That's true, they did label it that way.

Doesn't make it any less idiotic.

 

[Rob Battisti]

One example of many of cartels killing politicians to further their power in Mexico.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/08/nx-s...was-killed-just-one-week-after-he-took-office


Extremely apolitical

 

[Rob Battisti]

It's ridiculous.

@Rob Battisti thinks he's being clever by saying it's a "fact" that that drug cartels are now labeled as "terrorists". That is a fact that the label has been applied.

He will not and can not argue that the word terrorism has nothing to do with the crime that they engage in.

By all means, refute the fact that the US has labeled them terrorists. I’m sorry you disagree with reality.

 

[helltoupee]

By all means, refute the fact that the US has labeled them terrorists. I’m sorry you disagree with reality.

I'm not refuting the label.

I'm saying the label is newspeak. Are you arguing otherwise?

 

[Osculater]

- I agree. The women are at a far bigger risk than the guys.

Yeah, some of them can't take a huge penis

 

[Rob Battisti]

The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

Title 22, U.S. Code, Section 2656f(d)(2): Defines terrorism as “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.”

Cartels clearly have violence against noncombatants. Cartels clearly have premeditation of violence. Cartels clearly have motivations to coerce or intimidate. The political angle is more unclear. They absolutely seek to destroy political figures which stand against their aims.

The FTO designations under Executive Order 14157 explicitly classify them as such, enabling aggressive counterterrorism measures.

The debate is around if their aims are political or financial.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Yeah, some of them can't take a huge penis

- Bro. I dont know what to say. Are you talking about the guys, right?

 

[helltoupee]

The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

"In furtherance of political or social objectives".

What are the political or social objectives of a cartel?

 

[Sinister]

It would be infinitely more easy to procure Venezuelans resources by paying up Maduro and his cronies to let American companies operate, something that was the status quo until around 2019.

Yeah but something soured that. Remember they held some US Oil execs in prison and it seemed "diplomatic relations" took a turn after that. It's weird because US oil companies seem to have no real issues paying into the democratic socialism of Nordic Countries, or even funding f the UBI that exists in Alaska. But something about Latino and African Nations requires guerilla soldiers. I wonder what it could be...

 

[avenue94]

The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

Title 22, U.S. Code, Section 2656f(d)(2): Defines terrorism as “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.”

And what is the political and social objective of cartels?

 

[Stoic1]

Drawing partisan lines on whether to use military resources to combat terrorist actions against our country.

Ohhhkay.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

Title 22, U.S. Code, Section 2656f(d)(2): Defines terrorism as “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.”

Cartels clearly have violence against noncombatants. Cartels clearly have premeditation of violence. Cartels clearly have motivations to coerce or intimidate. The political angle is more unclear. They absolutely seek to destroy political figures which stand against their aims.

The FTO designations under Executive Order 14157 explicitly classify them as such, enabling aggressive counterterrorism measures.

The debate is around if their aims are political or financial.

- Someone asked in this thread, dont remeber the screename. if they really knew they were really carryng drugs, or its was just a random boat. We know drugs arent the reason, i've made thread here, how the drugs go to China ports and come to america, and we know Trump isnt attacking China. I wondt see a problem if US teams were executing criminals, but they dont have the autority to decide who is a criminal or who isnt. The International Court of Justice has declared US boss, Benjamin Netanyahu, but US hasnt agreed with that. Trump is on a political witch hunt, whit a military weaker nation. @Hdfi pointed the reason was the oil.

 

[helltoupee]

Drawing partisan lines on whether to use military resources to combat terrorist actions against our country.

Ohhhkay.

Accepting the re-definition of words to placate simple minds.

Ohhhkay.