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[oldshadow]

You're putting the cart before the horse. What's your definition of terrorism? This is important as there are several popular ones.

An organization that uses terror to hold or gain power is a general one.

 

[Rational Poster]

Yep, thats what happens when you sink a boat. So yes I would say at war with the terrorists organization that was operating it. They may hit back but that would be a mistake on their part.

It is clearly within the power of the US navy to disable the boat without killing 11 people.

 

[oldshadow]

It is clearly within the power of the US navy to disable the boat without killing 11 people.

Maybe but that was not what they decided to do.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Rightly or wrongly, it's pretty easy to equate drug cartels to terrorists given that their murderous depravity towards others reminds many of a prime-ISIS with deliberately recording heinous executions to strike fear into opponents whether they be government and/or other cartels. Also, dismembering and hanging dead bodies in public highways with signs etc.

 

[Sinister]

So you are for making all drugs legal? That has been shown to end up in a shit show.

And yes the cartels can be considered a terrorist organization because of their actions and methods.

However im not for going into other countries after them unless they start attacking our ship or something and we go after their base of operations. But no troops on the ground.

No it hasn't been shown to end up a shit show. Portugal did something similar and it essentially eradicated street crime, especially prostitution. Same with Sweden. Both of them had Kensington PA-level problems.

No, that's hot how definitions work. To consider cartels terrorists, you're literally changing the definition of terrorism. Cartels are not trying to accomplish a political goal, they're trying to sell drugs.

 

[lsa]

No it hasn't been shown to end up a shit show. Portugal did something similar and it essentially eradicated street crime, especially prostitution. Same with Sweden. Both of them had Kensington PA-level problems.

No, that's hot how definitions work. To consider cartels terrorists, you're literally changing the definition of terrorism. Cartels are not trying to accomplish a political goal, they're trying to sell drugs.'

Sweden did what?

 

[oldshadow]

No it hasn't been shown to end up a shit show. Portugal did something similar and it essentially eradicated street crime, especially prostitution. Same with Sweden. Both of them had Kensington PA-level problems.

No, that's hot how definitions work. To consider cartels terrorists, you're literally changing the definition of terrorism. Cartels are not trying to accomplish a political goal, they're trying to sell drugs.

Didn't work for Oregon.

I dont care if you like my definition or not nor does you dislike of it make it not correct.

 

[Thrawn33]

Maybe but that was not what they decided to do.

It absolutely is within their power to "disable", the Coast Guard has been doing it for decades on a fraction of the USNs budget

[Fun fact, the USCG's "precision marksmen" (we're scared to call them snipers) who shoot out outboard engines on go-fasts..from a helicopter...have placed highly (top ten at least..sometimes top 5) in the USMCs sniper competition for years now.]

but again, rules change, what we have been doing isn't working so well, so maybe upping the risk for the smugglers may work, as I said before, I hope they gave them a chance to give up, and if not in this case, maybe a highly publicized example of "...or else" might make a the next go fast stop.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

No it hasn't been shown to end up a shit show. Portugal did something similar and it essentially eradicated street crime, especially prostitution. Same with Sweden. Both of them had Kensington PA-level problems.

No, that's hot how definitions work. To consider cartels terrorists, you're literally changing the definition of terrorism. Cartels are not trying to accomplish a political goal, they're trying to sell drugs.

In the case of terrorism, the dictionary definition really was changed around time of the "War on Terror" and the U.N. really couldn't agree on a definition. And it's also a bit odd to selectively target politicians for assassination but say they don't have a political goal. Though I think at the end of the day, I would agree with you that they are not politically or religiously ideologically motivated.

P.S. Get with the times! Prostitution is a glorious profession these days amongst the young folks.

 

[Rational Poster]

Maybe but that was not what they decided to do.

You guys have been losing your shit for like 20 years because Obama killed an al-Qaeda member that happened to be an American citizen in Yemen, but now you're alright with killing 11 random people with no details provided. lmao

 

[oldshadow]

It absolutely is within their power to "disable", the Coast Guard has been doing it for decades on a fraction of the USNs budget

[Fun fact, the USCG's "precision marksmen" (we're scared to call them snipers) who shoot out outboard engines on go-fasts..from a helicopter...have placed highly (top ten at least..sometimes top 5) in the USMCs sniper competition for years now.]

but again, rules change, what we have been doing isn't working so well, so maybe upping the risk for the smugglers may work, as I said before, I hope they gave them a chance to give up, and if not in this case, maybe a highly publicized example of "...or else" might make a the next go fast stop.

Yea I've seen videos of them walking it up and taking out the engine. Im not sure if the Navy had a chopper in the area that coukd do that. We didn't have any attack choppers with us on deployment.

 

[avenue94]

An organization that uses terror to hold or gain power is a general one.

That's not the general one and little resembles that of the FBI or State Department. Where are you getting it from?

If this definition was widely accepted that would mean oil companies in Africa who hire thugs to terrorize locals are terrorists. It'd also mean that you average scamming ring that relies on coercion is a terrorist group.

Are you really arguing these are the same as ISIS or the KKK?

 

[oldshadow]

You guys have been losing your shit for like 20 years because Obama killed an al-Qaeda member that happened to be an American citizen in Yemen, but now you're alright with killing 11 random people with no details provided. lmao

Dont care now and didn't care then.

 

[avenue94]

Yea I've seen videos of them walking it up and taking out the engine. Im not sure if the Navy had a chopper in the area that coukd do that. We didn't have any attack choppers with us on deployment.

Did you deploy with an Amphibious Ready Group?

 

[Gutter Chris]

So you are for making all drugs legal? That has been shown to end up in a shit show.

And yes the cartels can be considered a terrorist organization because of their actions and methods.

However im not for going into other countries after them unless they start attacking our ship or something and we go after their base of operations. But no troops on the ground.

It's been a shit show because they aren't legalized and regulated . Of course discrimination is a disaster it's just a fancy way of saying let the Chips fall where they may.

Legal and decriminalization aren't the same thing at all.

 

[Thrawn33]

Yea I've seen videos of them walking it up and taking out the engine. Im not sure if the Navy had a chopper in the area that coukd do that. We didn't have any attack choppers with us on deployment.

All respect to the USN for their massive firepower...probably don't have the precision shooter's needed for that unless they got a Team on board, because frankly...it's not their usual job.

In the past when the Navy did counter narcotics missions, they had a CG LEDET on board, both for the expertise and the statutory authority to conduct boardings at sea.

 

[oldshadow]

Did you deploy with an Amphibious Ready Group?

Nope carrier task force so like I said i dont know what they had with them. Do you know for a fact they had attack choppers with them.

Even if they did they made the decision to take it out and im fine with that as long as they made positive ID.

 

[Rational Poster]

Dont care now and didn't care then.

You really are a piece of shit.

 

[avenue94]

Nope carrier task force so like I said i dont know what they had with them. Do you know for a fact they had attack choppers with them.

Even if they did they made the decision to take it out and im fine with that as long as they made positive ID.

It's an ARG, so that means amphibious ships and Marine attack choppers.

Do you think they positively ID'd all 11 people? That seems incredibly dubious.

 

[avenue94]

All respect to the USN for their massive firepower...probably don't have the precision shooter's needed for that unless they got a Team on board, because frankly...it's not their usual job.

In the past when the Navy did counter narcotics missions, they had a CG LEDET on board, both for the expertise and the statutory authority to conduct boardings at sea.

One doesn't have to be sad that probable drug smugglers are dead, but militarizing drug wars rarely pans out well.