Crime United Healthcare CEO assassinated in NYC

[lifelessheap]

it's not a sunk cost fallacy when we're quite literally discussing what has more financial cost lol

Illegals cost 450 billion+ a year. The too expensive 'wall' was 4 billion. Derp

 

[Broke Lester]

Re: the bold text, I think this is ill-considered. These low nutrient foods tend to be the cheapest and foods that poor people unfortunately rely on so raising prices really just hurts them without giving them an alternative. One main reason there are so many fat people is they're eating what they can afford.

Or they want to eat too much so they have to buy cheaper foods.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Illegals cost 450 billion+ a year. The too expensive 'wall' was 4 billion. Derp

and it never got done, and wouldn't have stopped illegals anyways lol

 

[Yorick]

symbolic massacre of dubious figurehead by elitist attempting to exorcise privilege guilt.

check.

 

[Andy Capp]

Or they want to eat too much so they have to buy cheaper foods.

Yeah, I bet people are subsisting on rice, pasta, and the like because they just love the blandness sooo much.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Re: the bold text, I think this is ill-considered. These low nutrient foods tend to be the cheapest and foods that poor people unfortunately rely on so raising prices really just hurts them without giving them an alternative. One main reason there are so many fat people is they're eating what they can afford.

I don't see any bold but regardless, what you say is true regarding money and spending - though likely also applies to cigarettes and alcohol as well (in terms of being consumed by poorer segment of society disproportionately yet they still tax the crap out of it big time despite it being very cheap to produce).

But there's probably some sort of way to intelligently do if the issue is taken seriously. There are low price foods that won't turn to obesity, such as rice, noodles, potatoes, and so forth. The issue may be convenince as opposed to cost becuase rice takes a while to cook etc. Yeah, doesn't sound so exciting as that chemcial garbage with all the marketing behind it, but you could use taxes on trash food to subsidize nutritious food if one were so inclined. I think the issue would be lobby going against htat from General Mills and Nestle etc that sell shit.

BTW, something I've seen in latin america is food and drink that falls below nutritinoal thresholds have a black warning sign placed on the product.

Kellogg’s is going to war over Mexico’s nutrition label rules. A similar fight is coming to the U.S.

Kellogg’s is desperate to save Tony the Tiger and Toucan Sam from Mexico’s healthy food rules — rules the U.S. may soon copy.

www.statnews.com

 

[Andy Capp]

I don't see any bold but regardless, what you say is true regarding money and spending - though likely also applies to cigarettes and alcohol as well.

But there's probably some sort of way to intelligently do if the issue is serious. There are low price foods that won't turn to obesity, such as rice, noodles, potatoes, and so forth. The issue may be convenince as opposed to cost becuase rice takes a while to cook etc. Yeah, doesn't sound so exciting as that chemcial garbage with all the marketing behind it, but you could use taxes on trash food to subsidize nutritious food if one were so inclined. I think the issue would be lobby going against htat from General Mills and Nestle etc that sell shit.

"...maybe we need to think of taxing extremely poor nutritional 'food""

And are you seriously saying food is the same thing as addictive substances? Why not just stick to food for now? Do those other things help make the point?

But sure, pay people to lower the price of their fresh food for when poor people access it; I'm all for that. If farmer's markets were everywhere that would be just awesome, but they aren't "everywhere" are they?

 

[Sinister]

LMAO spending endless money on people who should not be in the country saves money to Leftists. Can't fix stupid

I'll take that as a compliment coming from someone who would vote for people who spent your tax dollars shipping them to places where they absolutely will get access to resources.

Illegals cost 450 billion+ a year. The too expensive 'wall' was 4 billion. Derp

Not according to DOGE they dont:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/illegal-immigration-cost-us-taxpayers-150-7b-doge/

 

[Sinister]

and it never got done, and wouldn't have stopped illegals anyways lol

Just the idea of it made trafficking more lucrative. Instead of $5k for a border crossing, Coyotes were able to charge $20k

 

[nostradumbass]

Also, it's a sector that's already heavily regulated.

We have to look at restructuring how healthcare is received in the first place, lowering costs for procedures that haven't changed in 50 years, and look into preventive measures.

Another idea is a co-funded healthcare "savings account" for each person that covers basics at a cheaper rate at the state level.

There are ideas to pursue and try, but it takes dialog. Not glorifying a nutjob

I would think insurance being insurance and not comprehensive coverage for routine shit would be the first step, and then figure out what to do with each of them, because they should not just all be lumped into 1 thing.

Clearly if car insurance also covered routine shit like oil changes and gas fillups, it wouldn't take long for gas and oil changes to be too expensive for anybody to afford without it, and car insurance rates would be preposterous.

Insurance should be for catastrophic illness or injury, and routine shit should be through out of pocket or an HSA or something.

UHC made 20 billion dollars in profits 2022.

As to the rest of the world and those, “horrific “ conditions of their healthcare system, I never seem to find Europeans complaining about it and wishing that it was more like ours. I do often hear Americans bemoaning those systems on their behalf.

Taxes? The American people pay 1.5 trillion dollars in taxes towards the government paying for healthcare under the current system.

That's UnitedHealth Group. UnitedHealth Care is like $8B or 9B, and they have like 53 million customers, which comes out to about $170/customer/year, or about $14/month.

For reference, Starbucks' profit for the last year was significantly higher, but I don't feel the need to go murder the CEO of Starbucks for not giving me free coffee.

And yes, we are spending $1.5 trillion currently just to give a minority of the population poor coverage. Covering the whole population under medicaid would be $3.3 trillion, and at the medicare rate per patient, it would be just under $6 trillion.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I mean it would seem pretty obvious that



That's UnitedHealth Group. UnitedHealth Care is like $8B or 9B, and they have like 53 million customers, which comes out to about $170/customer/year, or about $14/month.

For reference, Starbucks' profit for the last year was $25 billion, but I don't feel the need to go murder the CEO of Starbucks for not giving me free coffee.

coffee is very much the same as health care.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

"...maybe we need to think of taxing extremely poor nutritional 'food""

And are you seriously saying food is the same thing as addictive substances? Why not just stick to food for now? Do those other things help make the point?

But sure, pay people to lower the price of their fresh food for when poor people access it; I'm all for that. If farmer's markets were everywhere that would be just awesome, but they aren't "everywhere" are they?

Not the same obviously, but have a similarity of being an "intake" that leads to health issues and burden on heath care costs. I think most people have access to fresh food or non-obese inducing foods in their supermarkets to be honest. The problem is people are addicted to sugar rushes and get caught up in marketing and don't have the discipline to shop on the outside lanes of the supermarket as opposed to the middle area loaded with processed and packaged goods. Honestly, bottled water for home for most people I think of as being one of the stupidest expenses people make -- literally throwing money in the trash if you live in an area with safe tap water.

I love ramming down a pizza every now and then, but have the discipline to moderate and exercise minimum 4 times a week. I really think not being obese is a very easy challenge in life if with minimum discipline. It's that we get suckered for advertising and such. Rates have probably tripled in my lifetime and I won't simply attribute it to people not being able to afford better food. Culturally, people unfortunately increasingly don't view food as a pleasure much any more and just view it as a necessary time consuming task.

 

[Sinister]

I mean it would seem pretty obvious that



That's UnitedHealth Group. UnitedHealth Care is like $8B or 9B, and they have like 53 million customers, which comes out to about $170/customer/year, or about $14/month.

For reference, Starbucks' profit for the last year was $25 billion, but I don't feel the need to go murder the CEO of Starbucks for not giving me free coffee.

And yes, we are spending $1.5 trillion currently just to give a minority of the population poor coverage. Covering the whole population under medicaid would be $3.3 trillion, and at the medicare rate per patient, it would be just under $6 trillion.

Nah if you murk the CEO of Starbucks for anything it should be spending more on Union busting than it would cost to pay workers appropriately

 

[badascan]

How long was it claimed he stayed at the hostel? Or when was it claimed he got into NYC from Atlanta or wherever?

*Edit: Nov 24th is apparently when he got to New York

 

[Sinister]

Not the same obviously, but have a similarity of being an "intake" that leads to health issues and burden on heath care costs. I think most people have access to fresh food or non-obese inducing foods in their supermarkets to be honest. The problem is people are addicted to sugar rushes and get caught up in marketing and don't have the discipline to shop on the outside lanes of the supermarket as opposed to the middle area loaded with processed and packaged goods. Honestly, bottled water for home for most people I think of as being one of the stupidest expenses people make -- literally throwing money in the trash if you live in an area with safe tap water.

I love ramming down a pizza every now and then, but have the discipline to moderate and exercise minimum 4 times a week. I really think not being obese is a very easy challenge in life if with minimum discipline. It's that we get suckered for advertising and such. Rates have probably tripled in my lifetime and I won't simply attribute it to people not being able to afford better food. Culturally, people unfortunately increasingly don't view food as a pleasure much any more and just view it as a necessary time consuming task.

To be fair managing obesity isnt THAT easy. Some people's bodies are just genetically gifted at making fat out of their food, and they dont live in climates where that's an advantage to them. Battling things like hyperinsulinemia, the insulin resistance it can develop, and then type IO diabetes due that comes with chronic overweight has varying degrees of difficulty for some people. And most blanket answers overweight people get are about as helpful as telling poor people to budget better is. Good health requires good education, requires a modicum of self-discipline that it can be difficult for people with certain traumas to maintain, etc. And with all that some people will still struggle and fluctuate.

 

[nostradumbass]

coffee is very much the same as health care.

You're right, coffee is significantly less important than healthcare, yet Starbucks still makes 20% more in profits than the highest healthcare company.

 

[Yorick]

meh, predictive programming at it's finest.

three cheers for the assassin! champion of something I guess.

when Trump gets whacked, it'll be ready made existentialism.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

To be fair managing obesity isnt THAT easy. Some people's bodies are just genetically gifted at making fat out of their food, and they dont live in climates where that's an advantage to them. Battling things like hyperinsulinemia, the insulin resistance it can develop, and then type IO diabetes due that comes with chronic overweight has varying degrees of difficulty for some people. And most blanket answers overweight people get are about as helpful as telling poor people to budget better is. Good health requires good education, requires a modicum of self-discipline that it can be difficult for people with certain traumas to maintain, etc. And with all that some people will still struggle and fluctuate.

That's all true. There's a segment of the population that is for sure more predisposed. But it's weird, there is surely much more education available to anyone with an internet connection compared to 50 or so years ago, but obesity rates just keep getting higher and higher. It's all relatively simple compared to financial literacy and other topics. I am going back to Europe soon for a bit and I always notice the difference in bodies of spaniards, italians etc let alone far east nations (rich ones, not ones where people are skinny out of malnourishment lol). I honestly think a part of it it just our obsession with "bigger being better" and thinking people are getting a deal by buying huge quantities of shit. Restaurants here for the most part have "starters" that are like more than half a recommended days worth of calories lol.

 

[Sinister]

You're right, coffee is significantly less important than healthcare, yet Starbucks still makes 20% more in profits than the highest healthcare company.

No. Starbucks net earnings globally for 2023 was $9.4b. UHC Operating earnings were $14.4b

 

[Sinister]

That's all true. There's a segment of the population that is for sure more predisposed. But it's weird, there is surely much more education available to anyone with an internet connection compared to 50 or so years ago, but obesity rates just keep getting higher and higher. It's all relatively simple compared to financial literacy and other topics. I am going back to Europe soon for a bit and I always notice the difference in bodies of spaniards, italians etc let alone far east nations (rich ones, not ones where people are skinny out of malnourishment lol). I honestly think a part of it it just our obsession with "bigger being better" and thinking people are getting a deal by buying huge quantities of shit. Restaurants here for the most part have "starters" that are like more than half a recommended days worth of calories lol.

Dude, think about it. Health information on the internet can lead a chunky young dude right to "Fresh N Fit" type d*ckheads. And chunky girls into crunchy Mom spaces that lead to essential oils sold by Qatards.