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[Highway99]

I really enjoyed the podcast. I like listening to Avary almost as much as Tarantino. Their enthusiasm is infectious.

Would like to see Tarantino put something out soon. Instead of just sitting around talking about movies.

Hopefully the come back on Joe's podcast because I'm not paying for the Video Archives Podcast as much as I like it.



And I agree with Bullit68, Pauline Kael was a twat.

 

[Bullitt68]

I really enjoyed the podcast. I like listening to Avary almost as much as Tarantino. Their enthusiasm is infectious.

Would like to see Tarantino put something out soon. Instead of just sitting around talking about movies.

Hopefully the come back on Joe's podcast because I'm not paying for the Video Archives Podcast as much as I like it.



And I agree with Bullit68, Pauline Kael was a twat.

I at least liked hearing where they're coming from, going to Patreon so they don't have to do adds. But really, come on, they could just put the shit on YouTube and not do ads. They could create their own website. They could literally do whatever they wanted. At the very least, though, less than $10 for each "season" that they do, it's not as bad as I was initially thinking. Hell, I might wind up dropping some coin at some point. If their goal is really what they were talking about with Joe, becoming the new Siskel and Ebert, their pod in its current form won't get them there. They could do some sort of YouTube (or Netflix) video series as a companion piece to their pod. But until they've got audio and video with YouTube, Spotify, Netflix, etc., they'll stay the little hole-in-the-wall operation they are now. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just the opposite of Siskel and Ebert. They can't have it both ways.

You seem like the person to ask this: Do they have a list or guide or what have you of all their episodes so far and all the films that they've discussed to date? I'd be curious to know what they've talked about so far.

 

[Bornstarch]

I can't believe Quentin Tarantino kept quiet for 3 hours. Usually, he talks over anyone and everyone and makes it all about himself.

 

[Highway99]

You seem like the person to ask this: Do they have a list or guide or what have you of all their episodes so far and all the films that they've discussed to date? I'd be curious to know what they've talked about so far.

Scroll all the way down and the full episodes of the 1st season are available, as are the truncated episodes for season 2. Gala Avary's podcast episodes are there as well.

The movies discussed are in the title.

https://www.youtube.com/@videoarchivespodcast/videos

Here is the first episode for your convenience:



Also here is a list from IMDB to easily scroll through:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21337024/episodes/?season=1&ref_=ttep_ep_sn_pv

 

[Bullitt68]

Scroll all the way down and the full episodes of the 1st season are available, as are the truncated episodes for season 2. Gala Avary's podcast episodes are there as well.

The movies discussed are in the title.

https://www.youtube.com/@videoarchivespodcast/videos

Here is the first episode for your convenience:



Also here is a list from IMDB to easily scroll through:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21337024/episodes/?season=1&ref_=ttep_ep_sn_pv

Perfect, thanks. Gotta be honest, I would skip most of those even if they were video AND free. This is the problem with film geeks (which they are and which I'm not) rather than film nerds (which I am and which they're not): Nerds love talking about the classics and the major stuff, geeks love talking about the hidden gems and the B-movies and other minor stuff. I love the latter myself, but nowhere near as much as those geeks. From that IMDb list, I'm really just interested in hearing them talk about Star 80, Straw Dogs, The Substitute (assuming they're talking about the Tom Berenger film), and The Thomas Crown Affair. I would like to hear them talk about The Narrow Margin, but I'm assuming they're talking about the shitty Gene Hackman remake from 1990 and not the 1952 original with Charles McGraw, in which case I'm not interested.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

I at least liked hearing where they're coming from, going to Patreon so they don't have to do adds. But really, come on, they could just put the shit on YouTube and not do ads. They could create their own website. They could literally do whatever they wanted. At the very least, though, less than $10 for each "season" that they do, it's not as bad as I was initially thinking. Hell, I might wind up dropping some coin at some point. If their goal is really what they were talking about with Joe, becoming the new Siskel and Ebert, their pod in its current form won't get them there. They could do some sort of YouTube (or Netflix) video series as a companion piece to their pod. But until they've got audio and video with YouTube, Spotify, Netflix, etc., they'll stay the little hole-in-the-wall operation they are now. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just the opposite of Siskel and Ebert. They can't have it both ways.

You seem like the person to ask this: Do they have a list or guide or what have you of all their episodes so far and all the films that they've discussed to date? I'd be curious to know what they've talked about so far.

I would pay for a "serious" version of Mystery Science Theatre 3000 series with their heads as the silhouettes.

 

[Highway99]

Perfect, thanks. Gotta be honest, I would skip most of those even if they were video AND free. This is the problem with film geeks (which they are and which I'm not) rather than film nerds (which I am and which they're not): Nerds love talking about the classics and the major stuff, geeks love talking about the hidden gems and the B-movies and other minor stuff. I love the latter myself, but nowhere near as much as those geeks. From that IMDb list, I'm really just interested in hearing them talk about Star 80, Straw Dogs, The Substitute (assuming they're talking about the Tom Berenger film), and The Thomas Crown Affair. I would like to hear them talk about The Narrow Margin, but I'm assuming they're talking about the shitty Gene Hackman remake from 1990 and not the 1952 original with Charles McGraw, in which case I'm not interested.

Yeah, the focus of the podcast definitely isn't the classics, mostly because they are looking for unmined territory. I think their view is, "What hasn't already been said about Its a Wonderful Life or The Godfather or Casablanca etc."

I think I remember them saying they may talk about a classic/popular film here and there when they feel they have an interesting take or feelings about a classic film that hasn't been discussed in depth before, but who knows when they would sprinkle those in.

 

[Bullitt68]

Yeah, the focus of the podcast definitely isn't the classics, mostly because they are looking for unmined territory. I think their view is, "What hasn't already been said about Its a Wonderful Life or The Godfather or Casablanca etc."

Fair enough, but come on, it's not hard to still stay in the majors. Okay, don't talk about The Godfather. Talk about Once Upon a Time in America instead. I know Tarantino loves Leone. Okay, don't talk about It's a Wonderful Life. Talk about The Marrying Kind. Tarantino loves Aldo Ray and he loves this underrated classic from George Cukor. Okay, don't talk about Casablanca. Talk about The Big Sleep. I know Tarantino loves Bogart in that movie. They don't have to go all the way to the opposite end of the spectrum to talk about fucking Demonoid

Also, now that I'm seeing that list of episodes and films, Tarantino's language with Joe was that he, Avary, and Eli Roth could only come up with 4 movies which count as American giallo films, and based on that list the 4 that they settled on were Dressed to Kill, Eyes of Laura Mars, Alice, Sweet Alice, and Happy Birthday to Me. I've never heard of that last one but I'm surprised (a) they picked those 4 and (b) they think that those are the only 4. They must be working with weirdly idiosyncratic criteria, or else Tarantino misspoke, because most of the early slasher films of the late '70s and especially the early '80s were little more than American giallo films. How does Terror Train not qualify? Hell, even Don't Look Now is an artsy giallo film. There are WAY more than just 4, and way more better ones than the lame Eyes of Laura Mars and the of course wildly-overrated-by-Tarantino De Palma's wannabe Hitchcock film Dressed to Kill. I had to fast-forward on Joe's pod when they were almost crying over their VHS viewing of that film as if a shitty version of that shitty film was like seeing the Sistine Chapel after being blind for 20 years.

 

[Highway99]

Fair enough, but come on, it's not hard to still stay in the majors. Okay, don't talk about The Godfather. Talk about Once Upon a Time in America instead. I know Tarantino loves Leone. Okay, don't talk about It's a Wonderful Life. Talk about The Marrying Kind. Tarantino loves Aldo Ray and he loves this underrated classic from George Cukor. Okay, don't talk about Casablanca. Talk about The Big Sleep. I know Tarantino loves Bogart in that movie. They don't have to go all the way to the opposite end of the spectrum to talk about fucking Demonoid

Also, now that I'm seeing that list of episodes and films, Tarantino's language with Joe was that he, Avary, and Eli Roth could only come up with 4 movies which count as American giallo films, and based on that list the 4 that they settled on were Dressed to Kill, Eyes of Laura Mars, Alice, Sweet Alice, and Happy Birthday to Me. I've never heard of that last one but I'm surprised (a) they picked those 4 and (b) they think that those are the only 4. They must be working with weirdly idiosyncratic criteria, or else Tarantino misspoke, because most of the early slasher films of the late '70s and especially the early '80s were little more than American giallo films. How does Terror Train not qualify? Hell, even Don't Look Now is an artsy giallo film. There are WAY more than just 4, and way more better ones than the lame Eyes of Laura Mars and the of course wildly-overrated-by-Tarantino De Palma's wannabe Hitchcock film Dressed to Kill. I had to fast-forward on Joe's pod when they were almost crying over their VHS viewing of that film as if a shitty version of that shitty film was like seeing the Sistine Chapel after being blind for 20 years.

You'll be happy to know in the most recent episode they did talk about The Big Sleep from...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................1978.

 

[Bullitt68]

You'll be happy to know in the most recent episode they did talk about The Big Sleep from ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................1978.

Yeah, I saw that.

At least they talked about the McQueen The Thomas Crown Affair. I would've really been pissed if they skipped over that one to talk about John McTiernan's disappointingly dreadful remake.

 

[Highway99]

Yeah, I saw that.

At least they talked about the McQueen The Thomas Crown Affair. I would've really been pissed if they skipped over that one to talk about John McTiernan's disappointingly dreadful remake.

They've had some pretty thoughtful discussions though. The episode talking about The Hospital with George C. Scott was good. Tarantino seeing the movie now as an older man and him relating to Scott's character's frustrations as aging person was interesting.


And yes, the Star 80 and Straw Dogs episodes are well worth the listen.

 

[Bullitt68]

They've had some pretty thoughtful discussions though. The episode talking about The Hospital with George C. Scott was good. Tarantino seeing the movie now as an older man and him relating to Scott's character's frustrations as aging person was interesting.

Never dug that one. I love George C. Scott, and when I was younger I fucking loved Patton (and Dr. Strangelove of course) and watched a ton of his stuff. That one fell flat for me. I was never wild about Chayefsky. He literally wrote one good script (Network) and it's a better film (i.e. Lumet's aesthetics and the ensemble cast's performances) than it is a script anyway.

And yes, the Star 80 and Straw Dogs episodes are well worth the listen.

I just love Eric Roberts, and while I'd love an episode on The Pope of Greenwich Village - I know Tarantino digs Mickey Rourke, too - I'll settle for Star 80. And then Straw Dogs is a masterpiece in every sense of the word. It's nice that it gets its own episode. That's probably the one I'd go to first. Not the world's biggest Peckinpah guy, but Straw Dogs and The Getaway are two of my favorites.

 

[Highway99]

Never dug that one. I love George C. Scott, and when I was younger I fucking loved Patton (and Dr. Strangelove of course) and watched a ton of his stuff. That one fell flat for me. I was never wild about Chayefsky. He literally wrote one good script (Network) and it's a better film (i.e. Lumet's aesthetics and the ensemble cast's performances) than it is a script anyway.



I just love Eric Roberts, and while I'd love an episode on The Pope of Greenwich Village - I know Tarantino digs Mickey Rourke, too - I'll settle for Star 80. And then Straw Dogs is a masterpiece in every sense of the word. It's nice that it gets its own episode. That's probably the one I'd go to first. Not the world's biggest Peckinpah guy, but Straw Dogs and The Getaway are two of my favorites.

They really champion George C. Scott throughout the season and Rod Steiger too.

I've kind of found it interesting hearing them talk about films I didn't like. Its fascinating to hear why they liked things I didn't.

I love The Getaway too. The movie is only part of the book, it gets wild in the second half.

 

[Adamant]

Fun JRE appearance. Would've preferred more from Tarantino obviously, but at the same time it was cool seeing him sit quietly for such extended periods of time, which is an indication of how much he likes and respects Avary and his opinions/perspectives. I also rolled my eyes very hard when Tarantino brought up the awful Pauline Kael, but I knew he wouldn't make it the whole pod without bringing her up. And then I wished I could tell Tarantino when he was doing the whole "Why do you care what I watch or think about x movie?" bit that if people didn't care what he watched or what he thought about movies then he wouldn't be in the position he's in to do his podcast. He can't have it both ways: People want to hear what he has to say on x, y, and z, which results in him having a responsibility to see things and have opinions on what he sees. He can avoid that responsibility, but he shouldn't be acting surprised and confused when people want him to see and discuss specific shit.

Why is Pauline Kael awful? (Never heard of her outside of Tarantino mentioning her)

Why don't you think QT and Avery do movies together anymore? Tarantino went solo after Pulp and they never got back together. Yet here they are on the podcast together like buddies with zero issues. Seems kinda odd. It would be cool if they re-teamed for QT's final movie.

 

[Highway99]

Why is Pauline Kael awful? (Never heard of her outside of Tarantino mentioning her)

Why don't you think QT and Avery do movies together anymore? Tarantino went solo after Pulp and they never got back together. Yet here they are on the podcast together like buddies with zero issues. Seems kinda odd. It would be cool if they re-teamed for QT's final movie.

They had a falling out years ago, Avary mentioned it in the Rogan podcast briefly. He also talked about it in the podcast I posted several post ago where he was a guest by himself...He gets into it more on that podcast.

A bone of contention I think was when Tarantino stole Avary's gay Top Gun monologue for Sleep With Me. Avary said at one point that he felt he couldn't be around Tarantino because he was sucking up every drop of creative juice from Avary's brain.

 

[Adamant]

They had a falling out years ago, Avary mentioned it in the Rogan podcast briefly. He also talked about it in the podcast I posted several post ago where he was a guest by himself...He gets into it more on that podcast.

This one?:


Can you give cliffs?

 

[Bullitt68]

Why is Pauline Kael awful? (Never heard of her outside of Tarantino mentioning her)

Her opinions were not only silly, her personality was insufferable. She created a little cult of adoring fans (of which, sadly, Tarantino is one and has been for decades) nicknamed the Paulettes and her head swelled a lot to where she really thought she was the queen of film and everyone should bow before her. She was a miserable little woman with a tiny brain and a massive ego. She infamously attacked the famous Village Voice critic Andrew Sarris (who Tarantino references in the JRE episode as if unaware of his idol's disdain for him and his perspective on film) because she knew that he was a kind man who just loved movies and who wouldn't go to the mat with her, but when she wrote her crock of shit on Citizen Kane and got ripped apart by Peter Bogdanovich for not knowing WTF she was talking about, she ignored him and his response and refused to go to the mat herself because she admittedly had nothing to say and preferred staying silent to having integrity and admitting that she was wrong. A bad critic, a bad writer, and a bad person.

Why don't you think QT and Avery do movies together anymore? Tarantino went solo after Pulp and they never got back together. Yet here they are on the podcast together like buddies with zero issues. Seems kinda odd. It would be cool if they re-teamed for QT's final movie.

They touched on it briefly in the JRE pod, but they had a falling out. As the story goes, Avary resented Tarantino becoming the film phenom of the '90s while he was seen as merely his old buddy from the Video Archives days. He fancied himself not just a filmmaker on Tarantino's level (he wasn't) but he considered himself Tarantino's writing partner (he wasn't). This is because Tarantino and Avary would write "together" but not really together. They weren't the Coen brothers or Garson Kanin and Ruth Gordon. They were separate writers with separate skills, separate obsessions, separate styles, etc. Avary had a script that ran about 80 pages. Tarantino rewrote it into a mammoth script that would form the basis for True Romance and Natural Born Killers. Those are Tarantino's scripts with some of Avary's ideas. Tarantino also wrote Pulp Fiction but he wanted to use a plot from one of Avary's scripts (the Bruce Willis segment) so he incorporated that boxer/gangster plot into his own film his own way. Avary thought he should've gotten a co-writer credit on Pulp Fiction even though he didn't actually write the film with Tarantino. Yada yada yada, egos and resentment, they had their falling out and now they're older, wiser, and calmer, not as much testosterone flowing and not as much ego fueling their lives, now they can just get back to being geeks shooting the shit about movies.

And I don't want them to work together. Tarantino's career has always been his own and he should finish it on his own. Avary can stay his podcast partner, not his writing partner.

 

[Highway99]

This one?:


Can you give cliffs?

It was post #28.


I edited my post but I'll repost it here:


A bone of contention I think was when Tarantino stole Avary's gay Top Gun monologue for Sleep With Me. Avary said at one point that he felt he couldn't be around Tarantino because he was sucking up every drop of creative juice from Avary's brain.

Here is Avary talking about it more in depth:



"When a relationship is imbalance, is when somebody, you know kind of give up a little piece of themselves and they don't get anything back"

That about sums it up.

 

[Bullitt68]

A bone of contention I think was when Tarantino stole Avary's gay Top Gun monologue for Sleep With Me. Avary said at one point that he felt he couldn't be around Tarantino because he was sucking up every drop of creative juice from Avary's brain.

As I remember it, that was the product of the two of them joking and riffing and they'd do it at the store, at parties, etc. It wasn't so much Avary being pissed that Tarantino stole his thing but him feeling left out like "Hey, that was our thing." That's always been my sense with the whole thing: Tarantino had a rocket strapped to his ass and he took off so far so fast that Avary was left in his dust like, "Hey, man, why didn't you take me along?" But it never seemed like Tarantino was stepping on him the way that I think Avary was experiencing things happening in the '90s. I mean, he couldn't finish a script and gave Tarantino 80 pages, Tarantino comes back with 500 pages and 3-4 movies worth of material! But I wasn't there, so who knows? Their careers went the ways that they went, which I think says all that needs saying, and now they're back doing what was always the best form of their relationship: The movie geek dynamic duo

 

[Highway99]

As I remember it, that was the product of the two of them joking and riffing and they'd do it at the store, at parties, etc. It wasn't so much Avary being pissed that Tarantino stole his thing but him feeling left out like "Hey, that was our thing." That's always been my sense with the whole thing: Tarantino had a rocket strapped to his ass and he took off so far so fast that Avary was left in his dust like, "Hey, man, why didn't you take me along?" But it never seemed like Tarantino was stepping on him the way that I think Avary was experiencing things happening in the '90s. I mean, he couldn't finish a script and gave Tarantino 80 pages, Tarantino comes back with 500 pages and 3-4 movies worth of material! But I wasn't there, so who knows? Their careers went the ways that they went, which I think says all that needs saying, and now they're back doing what was always the best form of their relationship: The movie geek dynamic duo

Well, Tarantino didn't run it by Roger before he did it. I think that was the issue. Like, "Hey, can you please treat me like I matter. I'm not some inanimate well from which you can draw any time you want."

And the quote I posted from the video above really sums up Roger's feelings...."When a relationship is in imbalance, is when somebody, you know kind of give up a little piece of themselves and they don't get anything back."