Undefeated boxing champs laugh at Conor's showing against Mayweather

[Kingz]

Conor made more walking to the ring than these guys will make in their careers combined

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

Conor made more walking to the ring than these guys will make in their careers combined

What a dumbass assumption. Both guys have the trajectory to at least reach Mikey Garcia paychecks (same trainers). Kind of early to call but they can possibly reach Canelo-level status.

 

[Jesus ODI]

You're so gangsta bro. Meanwhile anyone with an IQ over 5 understands that it would hand to hand combat.

lol just the reality bro maybe u live ina very

You're so gangsta bro. Meanwhile anyone with an IQ over 5 understands that it would hand to hand combat.

gangsta? nah bro on the contrary i try to avoid street "no rules fights" cause i have seen people get stabbed, or shot for their cocky stupidity whats gangsta with that lol

 

[Mga223]

Conor made more walking to the ring than these guys will make in their careers combined

Not true but whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Steve-French]

Barely known champs command better purses in boxing than Conor does in MMA. Dana and the UFC got half of Conor's boxing purse.

Wrong... Even before he boxed Conor was of the top paid athletes in the world. When all is said and done he makes around 20 million a fight in the UFC.

What does this matter for anyway. People will always bring up the fact the top boxers make more, but Dana and the rest of the UFC brass's salary shits all over what any other boxing promoter makes.

 

[Cariñito]

Here's a more precise response man!

Now first and foremost, this is not to say that boxing and other specific combat sports shouldn't exist or are obsolete - just to avoid misunderstandings.
The reason why i consider MMA to be the king of combat sports are several ones; on one hand, it's closer to fully unrestricted unarmed combat and thus very "pure" and on the other hand - and this is the result of what i mentioned here - the fact that there's sooo much room for improvement, ways to victory, technique and things to happen just makes MMA more "whole" to me, if that makes sense; there are so many facets to MMA, that the picture of what MMA is, is so vast and can be so different from instance to instance!
With that increased level of complexity also comes also more room for error, making it such an unpredictable sport too, compared to other combat sports.
If a combat sport is simple (relatively speaking!) having great talent in terms of how you learn and execute movements and being athletic already gets you super far, even without being that much of a talent when it comes to decision-making/fight-IQ, whereas in MMA, the latter alone can be enough to beat people who excel in the former two, so by default, even the best fighters in MMA can all be drastically different from each other and i think that this is also a huge part of what makes the sport so amazing.
There's not as much of a "one size fits all"-approach and due to this, there's a place for every strength, be it physical, mental or tactical in MMA (and also a way to exploit every kind of weakness!).

One more thing that comes to my mind in regards to the "purest form of combat sports" argument: of course one doesn't need to care about these things, but i still place things that "work in real combat" higher than things you only get away with due to a certain rule-set; for example when Mayweather fought Conor, there were instances, where Mayweather just bent 90 degrees forward leaving his head right in front of Conor - this is something, you obviously wanna avoid in MMA, but especially in an "actual fight".
This is also the reason, why i love striking in MMA more; the gloves are smaller, requiring more caution, since bones in the hands break easier, but also making it far more difficult to block strikes (and easier to land strikes, once in range).
Honestly, i'd love bare knuckle MMA, where fighters would also use palm-strikes - that'd be the dopest shit ever to me, i think, haha.

Agree with your argument on the corruption, although i was mostly talking about the sports themselves "in a vacuum" which you also have acknowledged.

Last but not least, your criticism for my initial elitist comment is understandable and justified, but i also want to emphasize right now, that it also should be taken with a grain of salt.
It's a good thing people have the choice to do whatever combat sport they want and i understand and agree with what you've said about specialists as well.
It's a bit as it is with music; i think technical and well-written metal, classical music, etc. is better than the mainstream stuff, but it's still great that there are so many different genres and there's beauty to each one of them, imo.

Hope this helps!

@SteveColdStone tagging you also, since i figured you could be interested in my response.

There are too many MMA fighters, just on YouTube alone, losing real fights/not handling them very well.
You dont see that shit with boxers. It just doesn't happen.
Maiquel Falcao, BJ Penn, Don Frye, Jason Knight, Cody Gibson,
Unsanctioned real fight, these guys are mediocre when there isnt a ref letting them go to their corners.
How does Jason Knight get into a slugfest with two guys in a bathroom and nobody is hurt? Had to get broken up.

I dont see that shit happening to Canelo or Errol Spence which are around Jason Knights size I believe, comparably.

 

[Broke Lester]

lol just the reality bro maybe u live ina very

Really? That's the reality bro? Keep focused. We are talking about 2 pro fighters. 2 guys that have dedicated their lives to training hand to hand combat and somehow you think these guys would throw that all away and agree to a street fight with weapons? Yah bro, that's so realistic. Maybe I live in a very what?

 

[eddymotto]

It was an exhibition fight that lots of suckers paid for

it was obvious that Floyd was carrying him

don’t take it personally. It was just business. The rubes enjoyed it & if they felt that got their money’s worth, that’s awesome. No need to be defensive.

& obviously both fighters got paid

 

[IsoManatee]

Conor did do well you broke back bitch. I laugh at anyone who sits on there couch and say Conor did terrible against Mayweather. Like was he supposed to win?

 

[Jesus ODI]

Really? That's the reality bro? Keep focused. We are talking about 2 pro fighters. 2 guys that have dedicated their lives to training hand to hand combat and somehow you think these guys would throw that all away and agree to a street fight with weapons? Yah bro, that's so realistic. Maybe I live in a very what?

exactly thats why is stupid to think about them in a no rules street fight , ur kinda proving my point brah

 

[Jesus ODI]

There are too many MMA fighters, just on YouTube alone, losing real fights/not handling them very well.
You dont see that shit with boxers. It just doesn't happen.
Maiquel Falcao, BJ Penn, Don Frye, Jason Knight, Cody Gibson,
Unsanctioned real fight, these guys are mediocre when there isnt a ref letting them go to their corners.
How does Jason Knight get into a slugfest with two guys in a bathroom and nobody is hurt? Had to get broken up.
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I dont see that shit happening to Canelo or Errol Spence which are around Jason Knights size I believe, comparably.

oh theres actually a few stories down here in Mexico about some street fights of Canelo, when was very young ofc, long time ago he got sued by an amateur boxer who said canelo beat the crap out of him because of a girl lol

 

[PrideUltimate]

Well, i don't care if Conor carried Floyd!
As a sport:

MMA > Boxing

This ruins this sport. We need to aknowledge boxing is always superior. We like this human cockfighting. MMA ruined Vale Tudo. No brutal sport, just fancy pancy sport for you that competes against olympic sport.

 

[Jesus ODI]

Really? That's the reality bro? Keep focused. We are talking about 2 pro fighters. 2 guys that have dedicated their lives to training hand to hand combat and somehow you think these guys would throw that all away and agree to a street fight with weapons? Yah bro, that's so realistic. Maybe I live in a very what?

sorry brah couldnt finished lol so i was about to say maybe u live in a place where kinda everyone knows each other or there is a culture of a one on one fight but not to death just for sport or a way to aliviate tensions bro but well where i am people who like to fight a lot on street fights , get shot or stabbed, ofc fighting skills matters but yeah i have seen that so many times

 

[Cariñito]

Conor did do well you broke back bitch. I laugh at anyone who sits on there couch and say Conor did terrible against Mayweather. Like was he supposed to win?

Mayweather allowed it.
At any point Floyd couldve ended the fight.

 

[Do better]

It’s because his Boxing ability is pathetic.

Box him then

 

[fightfan70]

True but neither was Mercer. Point is i know that fight math gives the advantage to the MMA guy who grapples as well but in reality fights just dont always pan out that way. Sometimes knockout artists just knock a grappler the FO. Like when Sonny Westbrook knocked Don Frye out in that lobby -he was drunk but heh no excuses in a brawl

Fights a fight

true story hard to beat a boxer at his own game.
if there isn't any takedown threat it's usually game over.
*tim sylvia poor guy was never the same after the fedor fight.
and i cant believe don frye is stilll alive. talk about cte..

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Conor made more walking to the ring than these guys will make in their careers combined

Kylie Jenner has made more this year than you and every one of your living relatives will make in their lives, many times over.
So does that make her a million times better than you?

 

[Iron Nick]

This is exactly the kind of amazing response I expected from you and frankly the reason I voted for in Poster of the Year
Thank you a lot for the kind words man (and for the vote as well!)

Since you gave me such a comprehensive reply, I'll try to extend the courtesy of doing the same!

You did, well done man!

I can absolutely understand all of this and get behind it -- as it's the very same thing that draws me to MMA over boxing as well. However, as I mentioned before, I suspect that there's a lot of room for that same kind of fight IQ and and ring generalship in the sport of boxing that most MMA fans don't see, as it's at a more microscopic/behind-the-scenes level. I'm not sure if I'm articulating myself correctly. I have a friend on another forum who's an avid boxing historian and former amateur fighter/coach that would dive headfirst into this conversation I'm sure and probably explain it better than I ever could. Suffice it to say that I thing there's plenty of room in boxing for proverbial chess to be played inside the ring and for a number of different fighting styles to shine -- though I will wholeheartedly agree that the number of fighter "archetypes" will always be smaller than in MMA. In fact, that's one of the things I love most about MMA: the various walks of life fighters come from and how it shapes their "base", the way they fight, the gameplans they employ, etc. That's also the entire reason I have a selfish desire to see fighters like Edmen Shahbazyan and the like get derailed, but I digress...

Of course there's room for a variety of very slight but important technicalities in boxing as well!
I just think that in sports like boxing and wrestling, you're (relatively!) fast at a point where progress will only come in super tiny portions from there on, whereas i'd say you could take any MMA champ and immediately point to an area in fighting where they've got a significant amount of room to improve, you know what i mean?
I find the archetype thing cool as well, though i can also appreciate fighters who more or less started in MMA/started in several combat sports to immediately achieve a certain level of well-roundedness.

I don't blame you for wanting to see guys like Shabazyan fail too much, lol.<45>

For me, I won't say that I don't consider "real-world viability" at all, but it's not at the top of my list. At the end of the day, MMA is still a combat sport for me and I feel like constantly trying to make it more "authentic" is always going to be a losing battle in the face of entertainment and fighter safety. I've never felt like other combat sports necessarily have to justify themselves through the lens of authenticity, either -- limited-ruleset combat sports are about as old as civilization itself. However, it's a balance and sometimes I'll admit I end up feeling like a hypocrite -- for instance, there are times where I've often thought that maybe ONE has the right idea with allowing knees to head on the ground during some of the sprawl positions fighters end up in because they looked so damned artificial.

100% fair mate.
I wouldn't advise any striker in MMA to use head movement to an extent where they'd lean back or so to crazy extents because i think it leaves you open for several things (basically also making it potentially super stupid in a RL scenario) though i absolutely love seeing boxers do it and very narrowly but in the end clearly dodging punches!
It's an interesting topic overall and there are a lot of arguments for viewing it through either lens i think.
Oh and i would love for knees to the head on the ground to be allowed!

In any case, I certainly get where you're coming from and I know every fan's opinion on this differs. It's not like we're talking about tennis, after all. MMA is pretty much the closest you can get to competitive street fighting and in its infancy the UFC was all about seeing "what works". So I definitely understand your position on this, even if it differs (slightly) from my own.

Same here man. Enjoy the talk with you really i must say.

Bareknuckle MMA would be interesting for sure. I've been known to watch knockdown karate matches on occasion and their knuckle conditioning routines are absurd (though, of course, Lethwei and BKFC are much better analogues for what it would end up looking like). Fully agreed about the palm strikes. I'm a sucker for any hand-strike that isn't a punch. I 100% geek out when a fighter throws any blow with his hand from a standing position that isn't a punch: hammerfist, backfist, palm-strike, ridge-hand, whatever. They're so rare. Dustin's hammerfists against the fence fighting Dan Hooker were a real treat.

I can only imagine what those knuckle-conditioning-drills look like... ouch.
That's another reason why i'm a fan of open hand strikes or hammerfists, like you.
They provide the majority of characteristics that a regular punch does but with dramatically decreased risk to hurt your hands.
Those hammerfists from Dustin came out of nowhere, right?
Recently watched that fight and liked them too.

As for the bolded part: I appreciate that, but nonetheless I feel I should apologize. My initial post(s) were a bit harsh and accusatory and did not give you a chance to explain your position, effectively putting words in your mouth. I'm sorry, as that was not my intention. I don't really have much else to say except that I agree with the rest of your post: more choice is always good in the market of punching people and to each their own, etc.

Thanks for the discussion, sherbro! It's been enlightening as always.

Appreciate the apology, i admittedly found it a bit strange the way you called me out, but i didn't take it personal or so, so no worries there man.

You're welcome and thank you too, as previously mention i really enjoyed it!

 

[Lee_]

Tom Brady should not accept a challenge for a 1:1 basketball game with Lebron James. I wonder why.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Both guys would've at least KO'd the old guy in the bar if they threw a punch at him.

What use is KOing an old guy in a bar if you could instead make enough money to buy the old guy a bar