UFC PPV Numbers By Year

[FrankieNYC]

What am I not allowed to go off topic?? The UFC was part of that event and helped promote and got revenues in return. Were talking about UFC ppv and the point I was adding that even though they had the worse year in PPV sales, the boxing fight adds to ppv revenues. When Dana was asked about this in the media about the slow ppv year he always brings up the May/Mac fight as part of their ppv.

You can go off topic as much as you want
You specifically asked if the article included something that had nothing to do with the article & I explained why.

You are wrong that the boxing fight adds to UFC's MMA PPV revenue. It is separate & the over-all revenue has been discussed here & I have done interviews on that directly.
Dana was asked if MayMac was part of over-all revenue & his was correct in saying it was.

Paul's article was comparing apples to apples & you asked "where is the plum?"

 

[JKS]

You can go off topic as much as you want
You specifically asked if the article included something that had nothing to do with the article & I explained why.

You are wrong that the boxing fight adds to PPV revenue. It is separate & the over-all revenue has been discussed here & I have done interviews on that directly.
Dana was asked if MayMac was part of over-all revenue & his was correct in saying it was.

Paul's article was comparing apples to apples & you asked "where is the plum?"

Yah, I was curious how the May/Mac fight fits into their PPV revenues and buys or if it does. That's all

 

[FrankieNYC]

Yah, I was curious how the May/Mac fight fits into their PPV revenues and buys or if it does. That's all

It added a rumored $30m+
Plus WME made money not included in UFC's share. They were an agent for worldwide TV deals & advertising

 

[IBeLurkin]

Who recently got a 4.5x increase as a TV deal?
The NFL deal went up 60% 4 years ago as an example
The UFC deal lowest bid is 225% higher

In negotiations you ask for more & settle for less

Again, UFC's lowest offer is a huge increase from the last deal

Over the last 10 years MLB (sorry, they have much longer deals due to consistency) has had gigantic increases in TV deals, more than the UFC is getting, and the UFC is a new "growing" sport.

Like I said, the UFC is healthy. But they're nowhere near the other sports.

By numbers alone, certain teams by themselves in some leagues are worth well over a billion dollars, and there are 30+ teams in each league.

The UFC sale was a killing by the Fertitta's, and they barely beat out the price of some individual teams.

 

[FrankieNYC]

Over the last 10 years MLB (sorry, they have much longer deals due to consistency) has had gigantic increases in TV deals, more than the UFC is getting, and the UFC is a new "growing" sport.

Like I said, the UFC is healthy. But they're nowhere near the other sports.

By numbers alone, certain teams by themselves in some leagues are worth well over a billion dollars, and there are 30+ teams.

The UFC sale was a killing by the Fertitta's, and they barely beat out the price of some individual teams.

MLB was about double (last deal) nowhere near 4.5x
So UFC's lowest offer is the same as MLB's as far as going up in value

As far as the rest ...
Yes, we all know UFC is not as popular as MLB
That is not news my man
Nobody thinks they were/are

So UFC's TV deal is growing as much/more as MLB's & 3-4x more then NFL's

 

[JKS]

It added a rumored $30m+
Plus WME made money not included in UFC's share. They were an agent for worldwide TV deals & advertising

30 mill, basically one event.

I am curious to see how they bounce back after 2017. Unless Conor is back I dont see them doing much better than this past year. The next two ppvs I dont see breaking an average of 250K

 

[datpuz]

I wonder how much this just has to do with the fact that more people have figured out how to stream/torrent (pirate) fights for free. It's literally easier to stream a card for free than to type in your credit card info and buy the PPV.

Seriously, how many people would pay $60-100 for something that is effectively free? I get wanting to support the sport and whatnot, but that's just a stupid amount of money to expect people to pay.

 

[FrankieNYC]

30 mill, basically one event.

I am curious to see how they bounce back after 2017. Unless Conor is back I dont see them doing much better than this past year. The next two ppvs I dont see breaking an average of 250K

220 should for sure. Stipe vs Francis should beat the 350k of 219, 221 looks to be in the 100's

But again, this is only one metric of how UFC makes money.
PPV is going down in Boxing too
Look at some of their numbers in 2017
Unless its an event, PPV is a tougher sell.
That is why WME built up earning potential away from PPV

 

[FrankieNYC]

I wonder how much this just has to do with the fact that more people have figured out how to stream/torrent fights for free. It's literally easier to stream a card for free than to type in your credit card info and buy the PPV.

Seriously, how many people would pay $60-100 for something you can watch for free. I get wanting to support the sport and whatnot, but that's just a stupid amount of money to expect people to pay.

Its certainly a part of it
Every year its more-so

 

[stav]

http://mmadraws.blogspot.com/2018/01/ufc-look-at-ppv-numbers-by-year-and.html

2006 - 10 shows, 527,000 average
2007 - 11 shows, 458,182 average
2008 - 12 shows, 535,417 average
2009 - 13 shows, 617,308 average
2010 - 15 shows, 604,000 average
2011 - 16 shows, 405,000 average
2012 - 13 shows, 454,615 average
2013 - 13 shows, 468,846 average
2014 - 12 shows, 264,583 average
2015 - 13 shows, 578,077 average
2016 - 13 shows, 641,154 average
2017 - 12 shows, 322,083 average (using 230,000 and 325,000 buys for UFC 218 and 219 respectively)

Thanks to @DezWalker aka the author of the link

There is more at the link including his analysis of big stars on PPV

@Myrddin Wild - here ya go

You have not counted Floyd/Conor in that tally.

Just b/c it was boxing does not mean it was not a UFC event.

The UFC co-promoted it. Invested its own money in advertising and allowed THEIR contracted fighter to fight in a boxing bout despite having not contractual obligation to do so (which is a smart business move i agree)
You could buy the PPV directly from UFC.COM and the UFC took a cut of the overall revenue as it should b/c it was its event.

 

[FrankieNYC]

You have not counted Floyd/Conor in that tally.

Just b/c it was boxing does not mean it was not a UFC event.

The UFC co-promoted it. Invested its own money in advertising and allowed THEIR contracted fighter to fight in a boxing bout despite having not contractual obligation to do so (which is a smart business move i agree)
You could buy the PPV directly from UFC.COM and the UFC took a cut of the overall revenue as it should b/c it was its event.

Let me get this straight:
I did not include a Boxing fight in an article written by someone else that was comparing UFC MMA fights by year?

Yes you are correct that I did not include that in an article I had no control over, that was not about that topic

 

[stav]

Let me get this straight:
I did not include a Boxing fight in an article written by someone else that was comparing UFC MMA fights by year?

Yes you are correct that I did not include that in an article I had no control over, that was not about that topic

That's fair enough bro, not your words but it makes the article wrong and bias and should be pointed out I think.

 

[FrankieNYC]

That's fair enough bro, not your words but it makes the article wrong and bias and should be pointed out I think.

No it isn't at all
It is comparing MMA PPV to MMA PPV
There are tons of articles that compare revenue to revenue
I post on here & even did interviews

When comparing interest in MMA PPV year by year, it would be silly to include a one-off Boxing match
For many reasons

 

[FrankieNYC]

@JKS & @stav

http://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/ufc-financial-predictions-2017-may-come-surprise/

 

[IBeLurkin]

MLB was about double (last deal) nowhere near 4.5x
So UFC's lowest offer is the same as MLB's as far as going up in value

As far as the rest ...
Yes, we all know UFC is not as popular as MLB
That is not news my man
Nobody thinks they were/are

So UFC's TV deal is growing as much/more as MLB's & 3-4x more then NFL's

Are they getting 15-20 year deals like MLB is? At 200 million+ per year like those deals?

Lol, of course not.

They have a couple offers for a few years, because the confidence in this business isn't there.

If you actually look at the total value of the deals, it isn't even in the same ballpark (pun intended).

 

[FrankieNYC]

Are they getting 15-20 year deals like MLB is? At 200 million+ per year like those deals?

Lol, of course not.

They have a couple offers for a few years, because the confidence in this business isn't there.

If you actually look at the total value of the deals, it isn't even in the same ballpark (pun intended).

Why are you moving goalpost?
Nobody compared UFC TV to MLB TV

Now MLB is not getting 15-20 yr deals lol
They would be idiots to do that
Also UFC is getting offers for over $200m a year

Now I am NOT comparing UFC to MLB, but since you are
UFC has a total of 37-40 events a year
MLB has around 1300

 

[original doom]

I wonder how much this just has to do with the fact that more people have figured out how to stream/torrent (pirate) fights for free. It's literally easier to stream a card for free than to type in your credit card info and buy the PPV.

Seriously, how many people would pay $60-100 for something that is effectively free? I get wanting to support the sport and whatnot, but that's just a stupid amount of money to expect people to pay.

the majority of the streams buffer loke theres no tomorrow.

 

[DezWalker]

That's fair enough bro, not your words but it makes the article wrong and bias and should be pointed out I think.

I wrote the article and take issue with the fact that you would think it's "wrong and bias"....

I was comparing UFC PPVs by year. The Mayweather/McGregory BOXING PPV was NOT a UFC event. UFC promotes MMA. This was not an MMA match. Nowhere during the broadcast was UFC referenced unless they were referring to Conor as a UFC fighter.

PPV is only one of their business metrics and that's what the article was about. Co-promoting...OTHER SPORTS...is another. They also air Glory kickboxing PPVs on UFC Fight Pass. If I had sales info on those events and included them in the average, I suspect they'd have greatly driven down the averages.

And honestly, the whole point of the article was that people are buying the big shows more than ever before and the lesser shows are being skipped more and more. If I had included May-Mak, that would've made the point even moreso. As it is, over the last 3 years, shows featuring the big stars (Conor, Ronda, Jones, Silva, Brock, GSP, Punk) have averaged 917,062 buys per show. Shows not headlined by any of those fighters averaged 229,182 buys.

There has never been a bigger gap between the big shows and the small shows in the UFC history and the trend is that the gap is getting wider.

And it's also been this way in boxing for years now.

 

[FrankieNYC]

I wrote the article and take issue with the fact that you would think it's "wrong and bias"....

I was comparing UFC PPVs by year. The Mayweather/McGregory BOXING PPV was NOT a UFC event. UFC promotes MMA. This was not an MMA match. Nowhere during the broadcast was UFC referenced unless they were referring to Conor as a UFC fighter.

PPV is only one of their business metrics and that's what the article was about. Co-promoting...OTHER SPORTS...is another. They also air Glory kickboxing PPVs on UFC Fight Pass. If I had sales info on those events and included them in the average, I suspect they'd have greatly driven down the averages.

And honestly, the whole point of the article was that people are buying the big shows more than ever before and the lesser shows are being skipped more and more. If I had included May-Mak, that would've made the point even moreso. As it is, over the last 3 years, shows featuring the big stars (Conor, Ronda, Jones, Silva, Brock, GSP, Punk) have averaged 917,062 buys per show. Shows not headlined by any of those fighters averaged 229,182 buys.

There has never been a bigger gap between the big shows and the small shows in the UFC history and the trend is that the gap is getting wider.

And it's also been this way in boxing for years now.

Welcome back Dez lol

 

[IBeLurkin]

Why are you moving goalpost?
Nobody compared UFC TV to MLB TV

Now MLB is not getting 15-20 yr deals lol
They would be idiots to do that
Also UFC is getting offers for over $200m a year

Now I am NOT comparing UFC to MLB, but since you are
UFC has a total of 37-40 events a year
MLB has around 1300

Moving goalposts?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christinasettimi/2014/03/26/mlbs-most-valuable-television-deals/

There's multiple deals of that length btw, but sure, let's just forget those facts since you don't like them.

Ok, what do you want to compare the UFC to if not other major sports leagues?