UFC on ESPN 6 Reyes vs Weidman

[Soccer Steve]

think weidman will have the better cardio and his chin and cardio issues are more due to his weight cut

The chin improving via weight cut/non-cut is a myth imo. For as many good examples out there, it's just as easy to come up with bad ones. A case by case basis could be argued, which would still leave Weidman a mystery.

Volkan is way bigger than Chris. It seemed like Reyes was caught overlooking him a bit too. Expected a quick out and got surprised by Volkan's clever gameplan. No way does 2019 Weidman have better cardio. Maybe similar, but definitely not better.

 

[lifeisgood12345]

Can we kill the “going up in weight helps cardio” meme now

Im open to it possibly helping durability but theres zero reason to say it will help cardio, if anything now that he doesn’t have to be in tip top shape to make 185 it’s possible he looks less athletic out there tbh

I think there's a stronger case that going up hurts cardio. RDA said that it took a few fights to adjust to his new body at 170 and manage his cardio, and that he gassed himself out vs Saffiedine in his first fight at the weight class. Then Kevin Lee went on to gas himself out in about 3 minutes in his 170 debut against RDA.

And it intuitively makes sense that more weight = worse cardio whether it's fat or muscle.

 

[Sono07]

Reyes looked to have about 1 round of cardio vs volkan. Weidman can put a wrestle heavy game plan on him and gas him out just as quickly

think weidman will have the better cardio and his chin and cardio issues are more due to his weight cut

He may have the better cardio I'm still not sold on the move though. Can't help but be reminded of Luke,I really liked Rockhold in his last match and thought his grappling would seal the deal. He ended up gassing trying to grapple the larger Jan before the defense issues anyway.
Reyes looked pretty big in his win over Cannonier his movement, boxing and the upper cuts he was throwing backing up looked good.
I like Weidmans grappling and fast strikes but he didn't look great against Souze even before the KO.

 

[Sono07]

Still undecided on Reyes cardio he does use alot of movement/volume for a 205er. He showed some solid chain grappling/TDD in his fight against OSP. Reversing position and pressuring OSP in the clinch. If Weidman can't pin down the younger man or pressure his gastank I really think he gets out struck and overpowered.
Seems like Reyes does fade as the rounds go on. I really like his ranged striking entry's/exits though, that and he doesn't give up too many easy TD's

 

[TrueAscension]

Just taped Barber and Robertson again. Barber has way too much power and way too much speed for Gillian. I get the PTV vantage point of just taking Barber to the ground and subbing her or wrestle fucking her but she is insanely strong. If it does get into a ground situation, I can see Barber rolling around and using a few tricks from Askren to chain herself into dominant position for a ground and pound. I am not impressed by Robertson really at all. I cap Barber so much higher than evens. Everyone uses language like "hype train" etc but sometimes the hype is legit. We saw it with Adesanya and I think we see it here with Barber as well. Too much power, too many angles to strike from, too much strength, and dirty, dirty elbows.

 

[BigSteve]

Just taped Barber and Robertson again. Barber has way too much power and way too much speed for Gillian. I get the PTV vantage point of just taking Barber to the ground and subbing her or wrestle fucking her but she is insanely strong. If it does get into a ground situation, I can see Barber rolling around and using a few tricks from Askren to chain herself into dominant position for a ground and pound. I am not impressed by Robertson really at all. I cap Barber so much higher than evens. Everyone uses language like "hype train" etc but sometimes the hype is legit. We saw it with Adesanya and I think we see it here with Barber as well. Too much power, too many angles to strike from, too much strength, and dirty, dirty elbows.

I said I would never underestimate Gillian after her last fight. She seems to have a solid take you down and control you game. I know Barber is strong but she is very wild and dosent seem to be bothered to stop takedowns, focuses more on scrambles. Kind of reminds me of Macedos ground game. To me its like fighters who use head movement and a low guard, they get away with it untill they don't.

Gillian controlled and finished a big and strong BJJ world champ in Frota. Robertson might catch her in the transitions if she insists on using strength to get up and dosent watch her neck. This is all through memory though, havent done research as of yet.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Reyes looked to have about 1 round of cardio vs volkan. Weidman can put a wrestle heavy game plan on him and gas him out just as quickly

think weidman will have the better cardio and his chin and cardio issues are more due to his weight cut

I'm not sure he's even especially chinny. The Romero knee would have knocked out an elephant, he'd been in an absolute war with Jacare and Moose was more him trying to con the ref imo. Yeah he was wobbled against Gastelum, but who isn't rocked at some point of a fight with Gastelum?

 

[Wiktoruspro]

Bermudez
Boston Salmon
Weidman

 

[Deleted member 316645]

I think Weidman having a glass chin is completely overblown.

Rockhold's GnP would've KO'd so many fighters, still to this day I think that was a fucking awful stoppage. And Weidman never went out.

Romero's knee would've knocked out a fucking brown bear. Not to mention Weidman got kneed 3 times in that sequence.

The Souza KO was just a fucking weird spot, it wasn't even his chin.

Weidman has taken a lot of time off, and if this turns into a slop fest where both are gassed, it favors Weidman. Reyes wont be able to stop the takedown if this reaches round 3.

Reyes can for sure crack him, but if this turns into a sloppy fight because they're both gassed, it favors Weidman. Reyes wont be able to defend TDs in rd3 and beyond, and Weidman should sub him.

5u on Weidman at +130, he's still my boy.

 

[Jordan3399]

That shows Barbers TDD a couple of years ago. Yes she could have improved that is a really bad look and she really hasn't been dominant in her UFC run with her supposed athleticism and power. She struggled to even takedown Hannah Cifers who was at a 20 pound+ weight disadvantage.

 

[Jordan3399]

I think Weidman having a glass chin is completely overblown

Weidmans been getting hurt or dropped at least once in his last 6 fights now. Even in his wins over Vitor and Gastelum he was getting cracked and hurt. Gets to a point when there's that many in a row that chin issues are just undeniable.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Weidmans been getting hurt or dropped at least once in his last 6 fights now. Even in his wins over Vitor and Gastelum he was getting cracked and hurt. Gets to a point when there's that many in a row that chin issues are just undeniable.

Again those two are extremely hard hitters. It's not like he's being wobbled by jabs.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I think Weidman having a glass chin is completely overblown.

Rockhold's GnP would've KO'd so many fighters, still to this day I think that was a fucking awful stoppage. And Weidman never went out.

Romero's knee would've knocked out a fucking brown bear. Not to mention Weidman got kneed 3 times in that sequence.

The Souza KO was just a fucking weird spot, it wasn't even his chin.

Weidman has taken a lot of time off, and if this turns into a slop fest where both are gassed, it favors Weidman. Reyes wont be able to stop the takedown if this reaches round 3.

Reyes can for sure crack him, but if this turns into a sloppy fight because they're both gassed, it favors Weidman. Reyes wont be able to defend TDs in rd3 and beyond, and Weidman should sub him.

5u on Weidman at +130, he's still my boy.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

First message ever and it's to throw one-liner misquoted shade. Lol I love this fucking place. But don't be a donkey. Argue with me instead.

What you neglected to include in that quote is "...for 15 minutes." He doesn't have the gas tank for it. In their flowing, submission-over-position, shitfest GM3 looked like a ghoul after R1 and Holland wasn't even breathing heavy in R3.

Also, Allen might get him down but he won't keep him down. He was able to easily sweep GM3 a number of times but twice Holland got himself in a very dominant top position. If he had a little more time in either sequence, he may have finished the fight. On the flip side, in two of his regional fights, Allen is swept repeatedly. In one of them he is mounted and nearly finished. His three loses are to Eryk Anders, Trevin Giles and Anthony Hernandez. All 3 are in the UFC and I think Kevin Holland would give all 3 big trouble.

This is a step down for Holland and a big step up for Allen. That actually scares me, now that I've written it out...

Holland is going to be an excellent MW gatekeeper I think. He's good at the same time as being really unorthodox everywhere, just a nightmare to fight really. I think you have to be very good to beat him, and I agree with you that Allen isn't the level you need to be.

 

[ill800]

That shows Barbers TDD a couple of years ago. Yes she could have improved that is a really bad look and she really hasn't been dominant in her UFC run with her supposed athleticism and power. She struggled to even takedown Hannah Cifers who was at a 20 pound+ weight disadvantage.

her takedowns are all from body lock trips. She’s benefited from being bigger and stronger than all the other girls she’s faced at 115.

Gillian has a good single leg, her best and most used takedown

barber coincidentally throws a lot of kicks. She also sticks her lead leg out because of her karate stance

barber has poor defense, which we got to see courtesy of jj Aldrich boxing her face in for most of the fight, dropping her twice in rd 1

barber has a good straight left hand from her karate base, but the rest of her boxing game is pretty sloppy.

I think Gillian has a big advantage on the ground. Her wrestling and jiu jitsu has been constantly improving and I just don’t see barber being able to muscle out of positions. It’s going to lead to her getting her back taken

and how long did she really train with askren? A day?

she’s coming off hand surgery. Fortunately for her, she didn’t break her cheeseburger eating hand. She was looking like little chunky girl a few months ago

 

[Red_2]

First message ever and it's to throw one-liner misquoted shade. Lol I love this fucking place. But don't be a donkey. Argue with me instead.

What you neglected to include in that quote is "...for 15 minutes." He doesn't have the gas tank for it. In their flowing, submission-over-position, shitfest GM3 looked like a ghoul after R1 and Holland wasn't even breathing heavy in R3.

Also, Allen might get him down but he won't keep him down. He was able to easily sweep GM3 a number of times but twice Holland got himself in a very dominant top position. If he had a little more time in either sequence, he may have finished the fight. On the flip side, in two of his regional fights, Allen is swept repeatedly. In one of them he is mounted and nearly finished. His three loses are to Eryk Anders, Trevin Giles and Anthony Hernandez. All 3 are in the UFC and I think Kevin Holland would give all 3 big trouble.

This is a step down for Holland and a big step up for Allen. That actually scares me, now that I've written it out...

Are you not worried that Holland will make it as difficult a fight for himself as possible? He'll get taken down for sure, but Allen's ground game isn't amazing, he'll go for position, and do minimal ground and pound. I just can't bet Holland at current odds when he's just a messy fighter who can't seem to use his path to victory often.

 

[Oblivian]

You sure? He's up a weight class and will be trying to sub a black belt off his back. He got away with that style vs mediocre competition at 135 but this seems like a great style match up for Rosa.

For one, I think Bermudez will probably still be the bigger fighter in there. Rosa is not a big 145 lbs fighter. I also think Bermudez's grappling is a lot better than Rosa. Rosa may be a black belt, but I have not been very impressed with his grappling. He spazzes a lot fishing for subs that aren't there to make himself look very active. He definitely gives up position too. He'll also willingly give up takedowns as he thinks his bottom game is better than it is. Especially with how much he spams kicks. I think Bermudez will end up on top of him and likely on his back at some point.

Let's also not forget that Rosa has only had 2 fights in over 4 years. Think about this - since Bochniak fought Rosa on extremely short notice, Bochniak has had 5 more fights to Rosa's one more fight. Since July of 2016 Rosa has had 2 fights, Manny has had 9 fights. It's pretty clear Rosa is more concerned with his culinary career now than actually fighting. He's probably only taking this fight since it is in Boston.

 

[RichBoyKermit]

Holland is going to be an excellent MW gatekeeper I think. He's good at the same time as being really unorthodox everywhere, just a nightmare to fight really. I think you have to be very good to beat him, and I agree with you that Allen isn't the level you need to be.

Lol Holland sucks balls my man. Got gift decisions against Di Chirico (one of the worst guys in the division) and GM3.

 

[Naught2Sixty]

Re: Sean Brady



Why is Court McGee such a big underdog?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Re: Sean Brady



Why is Court McGee such a big underdog?

He's pretty hyped, I haven't got around to watching him yet, though.