UFC Fox 23 - Pena vs Shevchenko - Denver

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Agreed. I think if she gets put on her back she'll be stuck there until the buzzer sounds.
she's not great at getting up from what i recall..

She initiates takedowns mainly with her head and arm throws right? Shev us also excellent fighting of the back foot and could counter Pena as she bull rushes and this will take its toll. But its also true that if Pena gets Shev down, her size and grappling edg could hold her down but I dont know if she could get the TD.
 
de lima - kimball..

U1.5 is -230, yet does not start rd 2 is only -118

taking does not start rd 2
 
Wha the fck`? meathead missed weight? mother fuckah NOOOOOOOOO!!
By like 4 pounds too and the weigh ins are still open, he's purposely not draining himself and he will be the much bigger man on fight night. Kimball doesn't cut weight or if he does it would only be a few pounds, he's fought at middleweight before. This is only good news for de Lima, he's a massive flake though and has no gas, he'll quit if he doesn't get the first round win. Kimball is always game and brings the pressure. Clear dog or pass for me.
 
Joanna in Denver . Possible build up for her vs shev in future at flyweight div ?

Would watch.
interesting observation. tbh if joanna beats andrade she has wiped out the whole division. and i heard andrade turned down that fight already which is a shame. joanna is marketable and new owners are crazy so why not>?
 
By like 4 pounds too and the weigh ins are still open, he's purposely not draining himself and he will be the much bigger man on fight night. Kimball doesn't cut weight or if he does it would only be a few pounds, he's fought at middleweight before. This is only good news for de Lima, he's a massive flake though and has no gas, he'll quit if he doesn't get the first round win. Kimball is always game and brings the pressure. Clear dog or pass for me.
kimball is small and has roy nelsonbelly. clearly undersized for the division .. should fight at ww. Lima is a fool but he smashes kimball in r1. it will look like hester fight
 
Could you also give your insight about Li vs Nash? Would be awesome :p

Here you go

Nash versus Li
UFC debutante Bobby Nash is stepping in to fight Li on late notice. in the welterweight division. Li is a China Top Team product that has shown good all-around prowess. He will likely want to bang with Nash on the feet, as Li has shown a penchant for a good brawl. Nash can knock you out or tap you out, as shown in previous affairs. His last win saw him knock Lewis Gonzalez out, a UFC veteran. He’s certainly a good prospect, but on s

Sense coming to the UFC Jianliang Li has alternated wins and losses. Though He's currently coming off of a loss, I think he snaps this street of ebbs and flows against Nash. Mainly, because on paper please record does it do it so the justice it does if you actually watch the footage and pick apart the contests piece by piece. Specifically, Li is 3-2 inside the octagon, and his only setbacks are against Nordine Taleb and Keira Nakamura. So, Taleb — who is 4-1 in the UFC — is a very good fighter and Nakamura is a criminally underrated veteran. Both losses were winnable as Li dropped a split decision to Taleb then a fight he was firmly in control of prior to making a single mental mistake in the final stanza vs. Nak and giving up a submission. Other than that he has been terrific. Starting by besting the scrappy David Michaud before absolutely dusting Dhiego Lima and Anton Zafir inside one round.

At 8-1 Bobby Nash has carved out a path to put him on the UFC's radar, and he does have a quality name against very solid fighter in UFC veteran Lewis Gonzalez. Physically, Nash is not overwhelming and his wrestling/grappling game is quite basic. From what I have seen of him, his striking is serviceable and he does possess a bit of power in his hands. However, he does leave a lot to be desired defensively and is going to have to tighten up this vulnerability if he wishes to stick around the big leagues.

Losses aside, make no mistake about it, Li is a very talented fighter who progresses and every time we see him. He has heavy hands, solid boxing fundamentals, excellent cardio and very good grappling. While he is not a significant threat to lock up a submission, he does have a stifling top control game which is where the nickname "The Leech" comes from.

I believe that Li holds advantage in almost every pertinent category and this is only exacerbated by the fact that Nash is taking this fight on short notice. If it turns into a boxing match I see Li getting the better end of the deal and possibly putting Nash to sleep. More than likely however, I believe Li utilizes his sticky grappling attack where he latches on to Nash and sticks to him like Velcro. Ultimately, Nash will wear down and Li will either win a comfortable decision or else find a late finish. At his current line, I like Li a lot for parlay's as I and see him winning various ways.
 
Good luck to AA, just watched some Ngannou's and AA's fights. AA is going to sleep. Totally avoiding this fight other than maybe Ngannou round 1,2 props if im up large for the night.
 
FYI -- Masvidal never fought Ponzi. I'm guessing you must be thinking of James Krause or Tim Means?

I agree though. I like Masvidal here for value too.

Yeah, thanks bro, I edited it. I was thinking of James Krause. Forgot about the dirty Bird though so I added him LOL
 
But what about Barry's?????

:)

All I know is that when it comes to Barry ..

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Here you go

Nash versus Li
UFC debutante Bobby Nash is stepping in to fight Li on late notice. in the welterweight division. Li is a China Top Team product that has shown good all-around prowess. He will likely want to bang with Nash on the feet, as Li has shown a penchant for a good brawl. Nash can knock you out or tap you out, as shown in previous affairs. His last win saw him knock Lewis Gonzalez out, a UFC veteran. He’s certainly a good prospect, but on s

Sense coming to the UFC Jianliang Li has alternated wins and losses. Though He's currently coming off of a loss, I think he snaps this street of ebbs and flows against Nash. Mainly, because on paper please record does it do it so the justice it does if you actually watch the footage and pick apart the contests piece by piece. Specifically, Li is 3-2 inside the octagon, and his only setbacks are against Nordine Taleb and Keira Nakamura. So, Taleb — who is 4-1 in the UFC — is a very good fighter and Nakamura is a criminally underrated veteran. Both losses were winnable as Li dropped a split decision to Taleb then a fight he was firmly in control of prior to making a single mental mistake in the final stanza vs. Nak and giving up a submission. Other than that he has been terrific. Starting by besting the scrappy David Michaud before absolutely dusting Dhiego Lima and Anton Zafir inside one round.

At 8-1 Bobby Nash has carved out a path to put him on the UFC's radar, and he does have a quality name against very solid fighter in UFC veteran Lewis Gonzalez. Physically, Nash is not overwhelming and his wrestling/grappling game is quite basic. From what I have seen of him, his striking is serviceable and he does possess a bit of power in his hands. However, he does leave a lot to be desired defensively and is going to have to tighten up this vulnerability if he wishes to stick around the big leagues.

Losses aside, make no mistake about it, Li is a very talented fighter who progresses and every time we see him. He has heavy hands, solid boxing fundamentals, excellent cardio and very good grappling. While he is not a significant threat to lock up a submission, he does have a stifling top control game which is where the nickname "The Leech" comes from.

I believe that Li holds advantage in almost every pertinent category and this is only exacerbated by the fact that Nash is taking this fight on short notice. If it turns into a boxing match I see Li getting the better end of the deal and possibly putting Nash to sleep. More than likely however, I believe Li utilizes his sticky grappling attack where he latches on to Nash and sticks to him like Velcro. Ultimately, Nash will wear down and Li will either win a comfortable decision or else find a late finish. At his current line, I like Li a lot for parlay's as I and see him winning various ways.

Thank you , i really enjoy your post and knowledge. Hope in this case you are wrong of course :D Cheers
 
Marcos Rogerio de Lima (209.6)*
* – Missed weight and fined 20 percent of purse, which goes to opponent
 
Li is a hard headed brawler. I think he's going to bullzdoze through whatever that Bill Nash guy's got. Li will get into the pocket and eat whatever he can to get there. Li obviously has his holes but after watching a few YouTube videos of Bobby Smith it's clear as day this guy is not a UFC talent.

If Li can hang with Nordine I can see him winning this fight. I like Li NSC as I see no reason why he's not gonna KO/guillotine this dude. If it hits the scorecards I'm assuming he had a hard time due to something? Still a question mark to who this random dude is but with outside factors such as Chinese travel and altitude, I'll leave a little bit of Li-way (pun intended) by playing that prop.
 
Here you go

Nash versus Li
UFC debutante Bobby Nash is stepping in to fight Li on late notice. in the welterweight division. Li is a China Top Team product that has shown good all-around prowess. He will likely want to bang with Nash on the feet, as Li has shown a penchant for a good brawl. Nash can knock you out or tap you out, as shown in previous affairs. His last win saw him knock Lewis Gonzalez out, a UFC veteran. He’s certainly a good prospect, but on s

Sense coming to the UFC Jianliang Li has alternated wins and losses. Though He's currently coming off of a loss, I think he snaps this street of ebbs and flows against Nash. Mainly, because on paper please record does it do it so the justice it does if you actually watch the footage and pick apart the contests piece by piece. Specifically, Li is 3-2 inside the octagon, and his only setbacks are against Nordine Taleb and Keira Nakamura. So, Taleb — who is 4-1 in the UFC — is a very good fighter and Nakamura is a criminally underrated veteran. Both losses were winnable as Li dropped a split decision to Taleb then a fight he was firmly in control of prior to making a single mental mistake in the final stanza vs. Nak and giving up a submission. Other than that he has been terrific. Starting by besting the scrappy David Michaud before absolutely dusting Dhiego Lima and Anton Zafir inside one round.

At 8-1 Bobby Nash has carved out a path to put him on the UFC's radar, and he does have a quality name against very solid fighter in UFC veteran Lewis Gonzalez. Physically, Nash is not overwhelming and his wrestling/grappling game is quite basic. From what I have seen of him, his striking is serviceable and he does possess a bit of power in his hands. However, he does leave a lot to be desired defensively and is going to have to tighten up this vulnerability if he wishes to stick around the big leagues.

Losses aside, make no mistake about it, Li is a very talented fighter who progresses and every time we see him. He has heavy hands, solid boxing fundamentals, excellent cardio and very good grappling. While he is not a significant threat to lock up a submission, he does have a stifling top control game which is where the nickname "The Leech" comes from.

I believe that Li holds advantage in almost every pertinent category and this is only exacerbated by the fact that Nash is taking this fight on short notice. If it turns into a boxing match I see Li getting the better end of the deal and possibly putting Nash to sleep. More than likely however, I believe Li utilizes his sticky grappling attack where he latches on to Nash and sticks to him like Velcro. Ultimately, Nash will wear down and Li will either win a comfortable decision or else find a late finish. At his current line, I like Li a lot for parlay's as I and see him winning various ways.

Glad to see Li has another backer, solid breakdown as usual. Nash could land a heavy shot, but as you said Li has been improving and has a lot more craft to his game at this point.
 
I also watched a Lil bit of tape on Jonathan Johnston and I don't see why he's -220 against Frankenstein. I know Frankenstein shit the bed last fight but that should probably result for even odds at the very least.

Jordan's nickname is "big swingin" I mean, come on someone with that dumb of a nickname can't be good. It's cringeworthy like when Santos got that fly swatter tatted on his chest. Plus Frankenstein is a zombie so if he plans on swingin big I feel that might not be the best thing to do. His wrestling/BJJ doesn't look like anything special either.

I think if odds were even a play on Johnson might be affable but I think oddsmakers overreacted on this line. The play is Frankenstein +185. It's a gamble and if you ain't scared to lose money then Frankenstein is the bet.
 
^^ from what little i've seen, i agree. frank wasten or pass.
 
I also watched a Lil bit of tape on Jonathan Johnston and I don't see why he's -220 against Frankenstein. I know Frankenstein shit the bed last fight but that should probably result for even odds at the very least.

Jordan's nickname is "big swingin" I mean, come on someone with that dumb of a nickname can't be good. It's cringeworthy like when Santos got that fly swatter tatted on his chest. Plus Frankenstein is a zombie so if he plans on swingin big I feel that might not be the best thing to do. His wrestling/BJJ doesn't look like anything special either.

I think if odds were even a play on Johnson might be affable but I think oddsmakers overreacted on this line. The play is Frankenstein +185. It's a gamble and if you ain't scared to lose money then Frankenstein is the bet.

Would of definitely been on Johnson at evens, but I think this was a overreaction to Frank's last fight. Definitely cardio concerns at elevation and wouldn't be surprised if Johnson carved through his shotty tdd, but a UFC debutant against a proven finisher doesn't deserve to be -220.
 
^^ from what little i've seen, i agree. frank wasten or pass.

He has 15 minutes to wrestle fuck him without getting KO'd. Guys at LHW and up, the wrestling/BJJ isn't usually a strong card to rely on in MMA with the exception of some guys who are really good at it, and Jordan doesn't look to fit that bill.

His big swings don't even look that good either. Frank will cover up, absorb the shots, and fire back.

Of course the elevation and gas tank are issues but Frank at least has heart. If this Johnson guy doesn't get the tap he's going to get hit by this 220+ lb man.
 
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