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[Kono dio da!]

I’m asking what specifically in the Ali act would increase pay?

Would it not allow for fighters to fight in other organizations if they so choose, thereby giving them more freedom? "you want me to fight khamzat? Fuck off. Let's see what paul mvp is up to." Correct me if I'm wrong.
I prefer collective bargaining personally. Not the act. Collective bargaining. More money. Less corporate meddling with matchmaking to protect conor and other overhyped striker golden boys and girls, bigger share of the revenue, LESS control over opponents to balance out the money thing (ie take the fights we're giving you, but for more cash), wear whatever you want to wear, cheap health insurance (nothing fancy), no more public negotiations (announcing fights before contracts are signed to make people look like cowards without doing it to faves like conor) &etc. All these things are doable. It's just with collective bargaining, fighters fuck each other over. Game theory. Fighters will always side with the ufc, if they're paid better, even if it's anonymous, like project spearhead.

 

[kflo]

They have to be widespread changes... That's the point. Besides their shady little business deals will be out in public. If this fails someone else will try. Better to just come to a compromise. Anyway fuck the ufc. I'm sure a happy medium could've been reached, but no. Sure their practices are "legal" but you're supposed to negotiate with your partners in good faith. Always. Punishing someone for fighting out their contract with a bad match up to fuck up their marketability is bad faith. Reebok = poor taste.
Usada? Deducted from their pay. Counted as "compensation". How is invasive drug testing considered compensation? Medical aid would be nice. So obviously the wheel won't be reinvented but it's step in the right direction and fuck all the uff shills with the "stick to politics bro" nonsense. Mma won't necessarily end up like boxing if they just negotiate imo.

Counted as compensation doesn’t mean it’s “deducted from their pay”. It’s just how they accounted for it. It’s not income to the fighter.

I’m all for rooting out illegal or shady business practices. That should be easy. But that in itself won’t lead to dramatic changes.

 

[Steve Fox]

Congrats guys

Who are these idiots?

 

[kflo]

Would it not allow for fighters to fight in other organizations if they so choose, thereby giving them more freedom? "you want me to fight khamzat? Fuck off. Let's see what paul mvp is up to." Correct me if I'm wrong.
I prefer collective bargaining personally. Not the act. Collective bargaining. More money. Less corporate meddling with matchmaking to protect conor and other overhyped striker golden boys and girls, bigger share of the revenue, LESS control over opponents to balance out the money thing (ie take the fights we're giving you, but for more cash), wear whatever you want to wear, cheap health insurance (nothing fancy), no more public negotiations (announcing fights before contracts are signed to make people look like cowards without doing it to faves like conor) &etc. All these things are doable. It's just with collective bargaining, fighters fuck each other over. Game theory. Fighters will always side with the ufc, if they're paid better, even if it's anonymous, like project spearhead.

The Ali act again makes lots of references to sanctioning bodies that do not exist in mma.

But if the Ali act tears apart the UFC’s business model and levels the playing field, do you think the demand for mma can support a boxing like structure? Do you think we’d have the same viewership for events if they are spread across lots of different promotions?

 

[Kono dio da!]

The Ali act again makes lots of references to sanctioning bodies that do not exist in mma.

But if the Ali act tears apart the UFC’s business model and levels the playing field, do you think the demand for mma can support a boxing like structure? Do you think we’d have the same viewership for events if they are spread across lots of different promotions?

Especially once they stop the ppv bullshit and come up with a more affordable package. Also trade it publicly.

 

[kflo]

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I don’t think so. People watch the ufc in part because they are watching a tv show. Fans don’t migrate to other orgs to watch fighters who move. Boxing viewership overall is much lower in the us. Fracture the ufc and you may get fighters having a bigger share of a smaller pie. I don’t see a much more fractured sport without the same tv deals having the same draw they have today. Just my opinion.

 

[Pierced7681]

I don’t think so. People watch the ufc in part because they are watching a tv show. Fans don’t migrate to other orgs to watch fighters who move. Boxing viewership overall is much lower in the us. Fracture the ufc and you may get fighters having a bigger share of a smaller pie. I don’t see a much more fractured sport without the same tv deals having the same draw they have today. Just my opinion.

Shoutout bro for being the most knowledgeable fight fan in this thread.

There’s no way mma stays as popular as it is if the ufc gets fractured like boxing. Boxing survives off about 5-10 big names fighting once per year with nobodies filling the undercards. The UFC has Conor who draws ppvs and who else? Nobody. People buy the cards to watch ufc.

 

[GrantB13]

 

[kflo]

Shoutout bro for being the most knowledgeable fight fan in this thread.

There’s no way mma stays as popular as it is if the ufc gets fractured like boxing. Boxing survives off about 5-10 big names fighting once per year with nobodies filling the undercards. The UFC has Conor who draws ppvs and who else? Nobody. People buy the cards to watch ufc.

Thx bro.

Boxing also survives from a much broader footprint as well, in the US and globally. The boxing infrastructure is used to selling smaller shows, building fighters in smaller shows. Mma doesn’t have the same regional reach, or the same promotion of smaller shows. They have smaller regional orgs. That also gets fractured and replaced. And again, sanctioning bodies.......

 

[Pilo]

God have mercy on any fighter that even ever so slightly rubs Dana the wrong way

Top 10 exciting fighter: hey Dana, I know I have 2 fights left on my conract, but I've won my last five fights in a row by finish, Got FOTN once, and POTN 3 times. Was hoping we could renogiated my contract, I only want my 30k to show to be bumped to....say 45?...if thats ok? I think I've proven my value to th----

Dana: GUESS YOU DONT WANT TO BE A FUCKING FIGHTER. ILL BE SURE TO LET EVERYONE ON TWITTER KNOW YOURE A FUCKING DUCK THAT KEEPS DECLINING FIGHTS. GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FUCKING OFFICE, YOU IDIOT GOOF. SAY HI TO THAT FATASS RUNNING BELLATOR FOR ME. FUCK YOU LOSE MY NUMBER

Woah this is GREAT! Haha!!!

 

[Dreyga_King of Sherbums]

Ufc may actually end up committing to organization wide contract changes, such as shortening the contracts, among other changes, in a commitment decision, as is done in other antitrust matters, in addition to settlement of course.

Do you know exactly what contract changes they are seeking? Couldn’t find details. Surely that have be looking for something other that contract length.

From what I have read UFC contracts are pretty short as is.




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[Sweater of AV]

Spoiler

 

[Jarvan]

What does this mean for people that aren't in the know?

america is royally fucked

 

[SSJBroly]

Dana will become pink for a couple of days but that's about it. Slap on the wrist and good to go. He's a trillionaire by now.

 

[DestinedAussie]

Would it not allow for fighters to fight in other organizations if they so choose, thereby giving them more freedom? "you want me to fight khamzat? Fuck off. Let's see what paul mvp is up to." Correct me if I'm wrong.
I prefer collective bargaining personally. Not the act. Collective bargaining. More money. Less corporate meddling with matchmaking to protect conor and other overhyped striker golden boys and girls, bigger share of the revenue, LESS control over opponents to balance out the money thing (ie take the fights we're giving you, but for more cash), wear whatever you want to wear, cheap health insurance (nothing fancy), no more public negotiations (announcing fights before contracts are signed to make people look like cowards without doing it to faves like conor) &etc. All these things are doable. It's just with collective bargaining, fighters fuck each other over. Game theory. Fighters will always side with the ufc, if they're paid better, even if it's anonymous, like project spearhead.

Collective bargaining has traditionally in sport hurt the biggest names as it puts caps on what they can be paid and helps those at the lower end by raising the minimums. It tends to work best where leagues have a monopoly. Like the NBA or NHL for example. That doesn't really stand true in UFC as there is more competition with other orgs. It will turn into the reebok deal by for fights.

I would also assume the collective group changes a lot more. It would surprise me if the average UFC fighter had 3-4 fights which the majority have 2 or 3 fights. Takes a lot to last in the UFC.

 

[Kono dio da!]

Do you know exactly what contract changes they are seeking? Couldn’t find details. Surely that have be looking for something other that contract length.

From what I have read UFC contracts are pretty short as is.

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Well i know a few. If you turn down a fight they extend your contract. It you defend your belt it's extended some. (there's a reason jon jones' contracts are never close to lapsing)
Shady practice of punishing you for fighting out your contract. If you refuse to extend before your final fight, they'll punish you by finding you a nightmare matchup. That way you'll lose, look bad, have less bargaining power outside the ufc and the ufc can then lowball you. That's fucked up. They also want something to remedy that.

Also contracts are too long. How many 2 fight deals do you ever see? None. It's always 6 and up. That way you can't farm the ufc for fights and bounce between promotions. Jorge for instance was dumb enough to sign a ten fight contract. Not that he had a choice. Lastly this isn't a contractual term but rather a tradition. Ufc hoards fighters and refuses to cut them.

They don't promote fighters, they only care about the brand. There are so many fighters who are disgruntled and want to leave but pre-covid, the ufc hits them with the "you still owe me fights bro". What's the point of keeping a fighter contracted if you don't care for or about said fighter and they want to leave? How many ufc fighters apart from dj have ever left in their prime? They always find ways to fuck their fighters over with extremely prejudice.

 

[kflo]

Collective bargaining has traditionally in sport hurt the biggest names as it puts caps on what they can be paid and helps those at the lower end by raising the minimums. It tends to work best where leagues have a monopoly. Like the NBA or NHL for example. That doesn't really stand true in UFC as there is more competition with other orgs. It will turn into the reebok deal by for fights.

I would also assume the collective group changes a lot more. It would surprise me if the average UFC fighter had 3-4 fights which the majority have 2 or 3 fights. Takes a lot to last in the UFC.

Those leagues have competition within. 30+ franchises who want to pay for talent. Mma doesn’t have that kind of competition.

 

[Bob Sapp]

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Especially once they stop the ppv bullshit and come up with a more affordable package. Also trade it publicly.

i swear that dude in the meme cartoon looks like this guitar youtuber

 

[Kono dio da!]

Collective bargaining has traditionally in sport hurt the biggest names as it puts caps on what they can be paid and helps those at the lower end by raising the minimums. It tends to work best where leagues have a monopoly. Like the NBA or NHL for example. That doesn't really stand true in UFC as there is more competition with other orgs. It will turn into the reebok deal by for fights.

I would also assume the collective group changes a lot more. It would surprise me if the average UFC fighter had 3-4 fights which the majority have 2 or 3 fights. Takes a lot to last in the UFC.

Dude. No. All these people want is an increase in revenue share. They get 18 percent. What if it goes up to 23-25 then progressively to 35? How does that hurt the biggest stars? They'll get paid even more. Also, i know damn well that Conor, jones, dc, adesanya etc though paid better than everyone are being lowballed, but EVEN if your claim was true about the top stars losing out... I'd rather see conor buy one less yacht a year than keep hearing andrade cry about how she has to sell baked goods to make ends meet. Bro imagine that. Before she became champ, back in 2018, she sold gear and baked goods, meanwhile dana buys snow in his driveway, conor has yachts etc. Nah bruh. They take the same amount of risk and though it's impossible to pay everyone equally, no fighter should be poor whilst another is paid like a don. Also if they're paid less, open up sponsorship channels and stop signing bullshit exclusive apparel deals. Seriously what's with this obsession with uniformity and sterility. Reebok shorts suck. Condom depot? Pornhub and Nike on the same shorts? Now we're talking.

 

[Kono dio da!]

Collective bargaining has traditionally in sport hurt the biggest names as it puts caps on what they can be paid and helps those at the lower end by raising the minimums. It tends to work best where leagues have a monopoly. Like the NBA or NHL for example. That doesn't really stand true in UFC as there is more competition with other orgs. It will turn into the reebok deal by for fights.

I would also assume the collective group changes a lot more. It would surprise me if the average UFC fighter had 3-4 fights which the majority have 2 or 3 fights. Takes a lot to last in the UFC.

Also ufc is practically a monopoly and monopsony. They can abuse monopoly power by charging excessive prices 70 bucks for a goddamn ppv that may or may not suck. And abusive monopsony power (shit contracts. If there was competition, fighters in their prime would sign to bellator, pfl etc). I know us competition law prioritisies consumer ultility, as long as the undertaking is efficient, but when fights aren't being made because they're not being paid or respected enough and we're missing out on big fights and charged out of our asses, I think the model is not as consumer friendly anymore imo.