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I’m asking what specifically in the Ali act would increase pay?
i cant address that any more clearly than i did. the act itself is largely to fight exploitation, and the way the ufc pays its fighters often falls into that category. Specifically I don't know, im not a lawyer, i just know that's the entire point of it.
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For one, because another thread made me think of it, the roid exemption brock was given against mark hunt would either not happen or immediately get slammed in court and mark would have made off with a payday easily.
 
i cant address that any more clearly than i did. the act itself is largely to fight exploitation, and the way the ufc pays its fighters often falls into that category. Specifically I don't know, im not a lawyer, i just know that's the entire point of it.
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For one, because another thread made me think of it, the roid exemption brock was given against mark hunt would either not happen or immediately get slammed in court and mark would have made off with a payday easily.
The Ali act would do nothing for the brock exemption. Most boxing fights don’t even have out of competition testing. And it went to court anyway, and was thrown out.
 
Dude. No. All these people want is an increase in revenue share. They get 18 percent. What if it goes up to 23-25 then progressively to 35? How does that hurt the biggest stars? They'll get paid even more. Also, i know damn well that Conor, jones, dc, adesanya etc though paid better than everyone are being lowballed, but EVEN if your claim was true about the top stars losing out... I'd rather see conor buy one less yacht a year than keep hearing andrade cry about how she has to sell baked goods to make ends meet. Bro imagine that. Before she became champ, back in 2018, she sold gear and baked goods, meanwhile dana buys snow in his driveway, conor has yachts etc. Nah bruh. They take the same amount of risk and though it's impossible to pay everyone equally, no fighter should be poor whilst another is paid like a don. Also if they're paid less, open up sponsorship channels and stop signing bullshit exclusive apparel deals. Seriously what's with this obsession with uniformity and sterility. Reebok shorts suck. Condom depot? Pornhub and Nike on the same shorts? Now we're talking.

Dana works 7 days a week and is almost never home. The guy deserves what he gets paid.
 
Dana works 7 days a week and is almost never home. The guy deserves what he gets paid.
Mos def. So does every fighter on that roster. He's like half a billionaire, why the fuck is he getting so much richer, whilst getting to 100k/100k is seen as a big deal? Come on. Dana runs shit, these guys put their lives on the line. Fucking treat them with respect.
 
Spoken like a true conservative. Complaining (politically even, as if that's such an important part of how you identify) about fighters actually having the chance to get a fair shake.... smh

Youd be shocked, Im not a conservative and I didnt vote for Trump.

Im refering to this part.
"Dems have control of the Senate, House and Presidency and there is growing support for Ali Act. Times they are a changin!"

Time arent changing, they are the same.
They are either shills or truly fooled.
 
Also why the fuck is fighter pay a secret? How do I negotiate if my peers' pay is secret? Fuck that. Other sports disclose
Other industries don’t. Most professionals don’t know what their peers make.
 
Mos def. So does every fighter on that roster. He's like half a billionaire, why the fuck is he getting so much richer, whilst getting to 100k/100k is seen as a big deal? Come on. Dana runs shit, these guys put their lives on the line. Fucking treat them with respect.

UFC pays their lower card fighters better than any other org, do they not? Go look at what boxing pays undercard fighters.
 
Would it not allow for fighters to fight in other organizations if they so choose, thereby giving them more freedom? "you want me to fight khamzat? Fuck off. Let's see what paul mvp is up to." Correct me if I'm wrong.

I have read this Law Review ( https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3651&context=flr ) which explains what the Ali Act is and what is does in wordage that non-lawyers can understand. Be warned it is a long read and yes I am a loser who read the whole thing. Also I'm not a lawyer so I am interpreting this to this best my ability but I may be reading it wrong.

From what I have understand it won't change much. Exclusive contracts are still allowed, fighters will still have to fight out their contracts before going to another organization, but Ali Act limits the time on on contract extensions to a maximum of 12 months. That said I haven't seen hard limits on overall contract length.

Recently Canelo signed a 5-year exclusive, 11 fight contract with Golden Boy, so I assume that contract of that length are still allowed under the Ali Act.

Currently, the promoter of a champion often forces challengers to sign an option contract that grants the promoter exclusive promotional rights to the challenger in the event that he defeats the champion.2 3 The Ali Act specifically addresses option contracts by limiting them to a 12-month duration.

Here is the thing, UFC's championship clause is already limited to 12 months so that not going to change. Also the thing about 6 month injury extensions, or extensions for turning down fight may also not change.

There is a lot of stuff about disclosing pay and how much the promotion is making. It is unknown to me whether or the UFC already discloses this information. FOR ARGUMENTS SAKE, lets say the UFC doesn't share this information with fighters and managers access to this information will make it easier for managers to negotiate bigger deals.

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What is most unclear to me in this act is whether or not it will force promotions to work with sanctioning bodies. UFC titles are technicality ceremonial, like an Employee of the month trophy. They aren't officially sanctioned and the UFC isn't a sanctioning body. Fighters acknowledge this when they sign the UFC contract.

While the act has a lot of provisions about sanctioning bodies. The tricky thing here is that the act just assumes the promotions will be using sanctioning bodies because that is what boxing does. It doesn't force promotions to use sanctioning bodies. So the entire section regarding the sanctioning bodies may not apply to the UFC at all.

For the sake of conversation, let's say it that the act forces the UFC to use an independent sanctioning body, the Ali Act says...

Congress would give the ABC two years from the enactment of the All Act to establish guidelines for objective and written criteria for the rating of professional boxers, which each sanctioning body would be required to follow. 2 Earlier drafts of the Ali Act had allowed the sanctioning organizations themselves to determine the objective criteria for ratings. 3 No doubt out of a recognition that the organizations already have written criteria that are ineffective, the Ali Act has mandated that the ABC create additional criteria in an effort to make boxing rankings more objective.2 The sanctioning organizations would also be required to implement an appeals process under which they would provide a written explanation of a particular fighter's ranking following a request by that fighter. 5 In addition, the Ali Act requires that in the event of a change in the ratings of the top ten fighters in any division, the organization must post the ratings change and a written explanation of the change either on its Internet website or through submission directly to the state boxing commissions.

So it is possible that an outside a sanctioning body would be responsible for making the UFC rankings. And I know it's not said in the excerpt I quoted but the sanctioning body would also play a significant role in the matchmaking of title fights and title eliminators. That said the UFC could make any match that they wanted that didn't have title implications.
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TLDR; It may not have an effect on UFC contracts. It could give fighters more information to use in negotiations. It may or may not force sanctioning bodies into the sport that would oversee rankings and the matchmaking for title fights and title eliminators

Ultimately, I don't think it changes much, fighters would be better off to pursue a union.
 
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Also ufc is practically a monopoly and monopsony. They can abuse monopoly power by charging excessive prices 70 bucks for a goddamn ppv that may or may not suck. And abusive monopsony power (shit contracts. If there was competition, fighters in their prime would sign to bellator, pfl etc). I know us competition law prioritisies consumer ultility, as long as the undertaking is efficient, but when fights aren't being made because they're not being paid or respected enough and we're missing out on big fights and charged out of our asses, I think the model is not as consumer friendly anymore imo.

There are some reasonable big pays outside of the UFC now. It isn't a default the UFC pays the most. Fedor never made it to UFC. It isn't like the NBA where the lowest paid player gets significantly more than the league below. I think it is pretty easy for UFC to prove it isn't a monopoly and there is plenty of other competition, they are just the biggest. People choose to sign with UFC cause it is the most money for them. A good example of a similar situation is Steam selling games. It is clearly the biggest storefront for digital download PC games but there are others so it isn't a monopoly even thought they are nowhere near as successful.

I agree the PPV model sucks for the consumer. It actually limits the UFC growth IMO but I am sure they think they need it (even more with covid) to keep the revenue flowing in. This all comes down to no sports channel being willing to drop the same kind of money on MMA as other sports.
 
Those leagues have competition within. 30+ franchises who want to pay for talent. Mma doesn’t have that kind of competition.

and they have essentially colluded to make sure the biggest wallet doesn't win and keep salaries under control so they can't really test their value on an open market.
 
Dude. No. All these people want is an increase in revenue share. They get 18 percent. What if it goes up to 23-25 then progressively to 35? How does that hurt the biggest stars? They'll get paid even more. Also, i know damn well that Conor, jones, dc, adesanya etc though paid better than everyone are being lowballed, but EVEN if your claim was true about the top stars losing out... I'd rather see conor buy one less yacht a year than keep hearing andrade cry about how she has to sell baked goods to make ends meet. Bro imagine that. Before she became champ, back in 2018, she sold gear and baked goods, meanwhile dana buys snow in his driveway, conor has yachts etc. Nah bruh. They take the same amount of risk and though it's impossible to pay everyone equally, no fighter should be poor whilst another is paid like a don. Also if they're paid less, open up sponsorship channels and stop signing bullshit exclusive apparel deals. Seriously what's with this obsession with uniformity and sterility. Reebok shorts suck. Condom depot? Pornhub and Nike on the same shorts? Now we're talking.

Haha some sponsors don't want their brand associated with another and won't pay for that.

The UFC has certainly increased pay a lot at the bottom end. It used to be pathetic where you couldn't possibly be a professional athlete.

IMO UFC will probably go broke very fast at 35%. I don't really think it is up to me or you what a business pays. They aren't like a traditional sporting league. I don't think the fighters can unionize effectively to force the UFC's hand. There will always be fighters willing to sign to fight. Even if all the champions banded together and decided to strike the UFC would just strip them.

It is all storm in a teacup and I doubt we will see any changes via legal proceedings. Change will come when fighters believe they are bigger than the org and starting organizing events boxing style. Then the real market forces will determine earnings.
 
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