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UFC 270: N'Gannou vs. Gane

Very, very disappointed at this heavy money pouring on gane. I held off thinking maybe ngannu would get juiced due to how much casuals love him and the general love of his power but now Gane is -150. Disgusting.
 
Very, very disappointed at this heavy money pouring on gane. I held off thinking maybe ngannu would get juiced due to how much casuals love him and the general love of his power but now Gane is -150. Disgusting.
Yeah, I was grateful I got him at even money. (-110)
I also got some solid odds on both him winning by stoppage (+187) and by decision (+375).

I think his current odds are approx. +150 for stoppage and +300 for decision, so you could still potentially make some decent bets that way if you want.
 
Are you guys aware of Morning Kombat's resume review curse? I think everybody they made a resume review for lost their fights (except Canelo). They now made Ngannou resume review.

I was 50/50 on this fight and honestly thought whoever is the underdog is the play, but as I got deeper into tapestudy I'm beginning to lean more and more Gane. I don't think Ngannou's power can level the playingfield on it's own anymore. Last time he faced Stipe, who was worn out from two hard fights with DC (and suffered a clean KO loss before that from the same guy). Not only I belive that his chin was compromised, but independent of that - his defense isn't that good. A lot of fighters, from Ngannou's victims list, have poor defense and/or have issues with durability. Gane does not have any of these problems. I'm not happy about paying minus money on any fight, let alone @ heavyweight, but I agree Gane is the rightful favourite.
Yeah, the tape study was extra revealing. Every time I went back and watched the more confident I felt that Gane takes this.
Maybe the odds will shift again at the weigh ins? Would more "casual" money come flooding in on fight night?
 
Very, very disappointed at this heavy money pouring on gane. I held off thinking maybe ngannu would get juiced due to how much casuals love him and the general love of his power but now Gane is -150. Disgusting.

The line may still move back towards Ngannou a bit, just wait for the press conferences, the ceremonial face offs etc. I think Gane may go back to -130 or so by the time the fight happens.
 
Very, very disappointed at this heavy money pouring on gane. I held off thinking maybe ngannu would get juiced due to how much casuals love him and the general love of his power but now Gane is -150. Disgusting.

A bet on Ngannou requires a belief that his power will take precedence over the technical and athletic advantages Gane holds. It also requires the bettor to believe that Gane can be hurt in a fight which is something that has not yet occurred through his twenty-three fight kickboxing and MMA career. I believe the line could drop as far as -200 but do expect most of the late money and fan-money to come in on Ngannou. Personally, I am staying away from it, but the line movement does make sense theoretically.

Are you guys aware of Morning Kombat's resume review curse? I think everybody they made a resume review for lost their fights (except Canelo). They now made Ngannou resume review.

I was 50/50 on this fight and honestly thought whoever is the underdog is the play, but as I got deeper into tapestudy I'm beginning to lean more and more Gane. I don't think Ngannou's power can level the playingfield on it's own anymore. Last time he faced Stipe, who was worn out from two hard fights with DC (and suffered a clean KO loss before that from the same guy). Not only I belive that his chin was compromised, but independent of that - his defense isn't that good. A lot of fighters, from Ngannou's victims list, have poor defense and/or have issues with durability. Gane does not have any of these problems. I'm not happy about paying minus money on any fight, let alone @ heavyweight, but I agree Gane is the rightful favourite.

Those guys are good at making entertaining content but not the place to go for a sober analysis on which bets have value.
 
I wonder if there is anyone in the world that is playing Ngannou decision at +800. Should be more like +2000. I will swallow 3 whole dicks if Ngannou wins by decision.
 
I wonder if there is anyone in the world that is playing Ngannou decision at +800. Should be more like +2000. I will swallow 3 whole dicks if Ngannou wins by decision.

Human or animal?

I'll probably just take some pokes at props here, Francis KO 1/2 and maybe some Gane 4/5/decision.

For all the skills Gane has, and he clearly does look to be the better technical striker, more composed, good gas over 5 and so on, the Francis smash is always live plus we don't really know what else Francis can bring.

He's bee training between all of these fights and then we sometimes see less than a minute of action. The Stipe fight obviously showed some improvements, more relaxed, more controlled, the wrestling has been worked, but again, it was less than 2 rounds of a fight.

Looking at face value I'd say Gane is the clear side, but the 'what if's' are legitimate questions.

What if Francis now has some sort of mid level wrestling game, a wel timed double or a clinch trip? His defensive wrestling has improved so I have to think his offensive wrestling has too. All of Gane's advantages are standing, controlling tye range, picking his shots, ect, the best answer to that is to take it to the mat.

Francis on top seems very scary.

Complete speculation, I'm just trying to think it terms of game planning options
 
Human or animal?

I'll probably just take some pokes at props here, Francis KO 1/2 and maybe some Gane 4/5/decision.

For all the skills Gane has, and he clearly does look to be the better technical striker, more composed, good gas over 5 and so on, the Francis smash is always live plus we don't really know what else Francis can bring.

He's bee training between all of these fights and then we sometimes see less than a minute of action. The Stipe fight obviously showed some improvements, more relaxed, more controlled, the wrestling has been worked, but again, it was less than 2 rounds of a fight.

Looking at face value I'd say Gane is the clear side, but the 'what if's' are legitimate questions.

What if Francis now has some sort of mid level wrestling game, a wel timed double or a clinch trip? His defensive wrestling has improved so I have to think his offensive wrestling has too. All of Gane's advantages are standing, controlling tye range, picking his shots, ect, the best answer to that is to take it to the mat.

Francis on top seems very scary.

Complete speculation, I'm just trying to think it terms of game planning options

I also wouldn't be surprised if Francis just says fuck it and bum rushes Gane like he did to Rozenstruik.
 
Props on my app are out now/ I havent bet anything yet I wait till after weigh ins what do you guys think?

Valdez+165
Demoplus/Juarez-OV 2.5-180
Maddelana/Rodriguez-UN 1.5-115
Oliveria+195
Morales-125
Moreno/Fig-UN 3.5-110
Ngannou+145

Last event I went 6-1 Hoping for another profit event Just need 4 of these to hit and I will profit
 
taped the rest of the card:

Topuria/Jordain: Talk about insane odds. Don't like anything here, maybe a tiny sprinkle on Jordain by KO due to majority of his wins coming by that method. It probably ends in a finish but I'm not confident enough to lay the chalk. I remember people having cardio questions about him when he fought Zelal, he kind of answered some of those questions but let's see him go deep in a fight a few more times before lining him like Shevchenko. He was also dropped in his last fight before UFC, and regardless of all his flaws, Jordain is always dangerous. He most likely gets Anaconda choked here though.

Morales/Giles: I have fond memories of taping Morales. Hit him as a 3.00+ dog on contender, only 0.25u because of the lvl of competition, age, first fight in the USA, and his opponent's physicality. He answered a lot of questions in that fight against his toughest opponent and showed some new wrinkles in his game. Taping him again I noticed how composed he is, even back when he was 19 years of age. Patient striker, he doesn't rush in even when he hurts someone which is very rare that early. Good power, long reach and he can fight backward. He does have his hands low when he backs up and he ate a ton of shots because of that in his last fight. It diid not seem to faze him at all though. I think he was surprised that someone was finally making him pay for that at a high rate, but he adapted and changed up his style to win. He started throwing bombs and brawling and even wrestled. Giles has very fast hands, and a slick jab, especially early. He is also dropping down to WW which I have some questions about. I wish Morales had better odds, this is another contender series fav making his debut and they haven't been doing good so far. The problem is I will never bet Giles, he is on my shit list along with Anders, so atm it's favorite or pass. Giles is giving up 5 inches of reach, and Morales fights long but I'm a lil nervous about his defense early. There is also questions about what happens if Giles actively grapples. At this stage I will probably live bet it, it was amazing for me last week and saved me from a few pre-fight picks that tanked.

Viera/Turman: Only full unit bet on this card is over 1.5 here. Also, have the tiniest sprinkle on Turman. Viera was a lot more patient in his last fight and had improved striking fundamentals and footwork. I don't see him going back to his old ways after what happened in the Fluffy fight. Viera is 2-2 with his fights going over or under in the UFC so far, with the Fluffy fight also being 40 seconds away from hitting. Stolzfus in my opinion is bottom of the barrel and a purple belt, and he still survived till the third. It was 1-1 going into the third, and Viera was still doing flaky despite his improvements. I don't overly trust Turman, he seems like a meathead that always has the same gameplan and low IQ. But these kinds of odds against a gassy flake, I have to sprinkle out of principle even though I don't have the best read.

Pereira/Fialho: Very juiced odds, Pereira probably wins but Fialho is dangerous enough for me to pass. He does gass in every fight and is a bit hittable, but will constantly pressure and look to counter with his boxing. Pereira has displayed a pretty good chin against some big hitters, but I can't get that Todorovic KO out of my brain. Not a fan of Pereira's finishing instincts in the UFC to hit any unders.

Said/Stamann: This fight could be a lot closer than the odds. Stamann is a good striker and he has great defense but has no power so needs to put stamps on rounds with his wrestling, which is solid. The problem is Said is the longer more explosive striker and he mixes it up well. I tried looking into Said's grappling, Bibulatov grappled fucked him but it was 7 years ago and at FLW. He showed some horrendous cardio there as well. Recently he lost a very competitive but clear dec to Barcelos, who would punish all his missed spinning back kicks with back takes. He does this a lot and a few fighters have taken advantage. He does have decent wrestling himself and strong balance and hips, Barcelos was only able to consolidate a takedown in the third once Said seemed to slow down a bit. Stamanns best path is to pressure, crowd the kicks and just look to grapple for three. He is very durable and capable of taking it to DEC. I have a sneaky suspicion Said could slow down quite a bit from that gameplan but it's speculation based on lil tape. Im passing due to Stamann not having the best control, slowing down himself and probably getting chewed up at a distance whenever he doesn't wrestle.

Moreno/Figgy: I was felt like I was going to hit Moreno at these odds pre-tape. Had this feeling that this matchup is one of those trilogies where one fighter has the other guy's number. Kinda like Edgar/Penn and to a smaller extent Stipe/DC. Figgy has always had some problems when he doesn't finish his opponent, even all the way back to the Brooks fight which I thought he lost. Formiga shut him out, the first Moreno fight was a war and the second Moreno finished him. He was impressive against Pantoja for all 3 so have to give him that. Moreno has great durability, I don't see him finished by even someone like Figgy. Also has great cardio, fast hands and good wrestling which he used against Figgy both times. Figgy is inconsistent, every now and then he will come out looking off, and other times he will come out like a killer. I think the disciplined approach would be to wait and see how he looks in round 1. He is now training with Cejudo which I try not to let me influence too much, but can't ignore the fact that he might have better wrestling. If Moreno wins the first and looks good, I don't mind hammering him live like Kattar last week even though his odds were worse than pre-fight.

Gance/Francis: What a fight, one of my fav in recent times. Ngannou has been getting disrespected by the bookies a lot recently, which is a surprise considering he is the perfect kind of mix of hype and power. I remember cashing him as a 3.00 dog over Cain thinking that was the easiest money I ever made. Dog against Blaydes, and recently evens/slight dog to Stipe. The scariest thing about Ngannou is how quickly he closes the distance. He is not some plodding slow brawler. He is light on his feet, has a huge reach and throws straight punches and 1-2s 80% of the time. Gane is an animal, he is so technical, fast, and never gets touched. He freezes people with his faints. The one time he got cracked was by JDS who decided to counter while Gane was throwing a kick, instead of covering up himself. I feel like it will be a lot harder to freeze Francis. Last few of Ganes opponents have been stuck in the mud. Lewis, Volkov, and Jarzinho were all flat-footed and slow. I feel like Francis is a lot likey to plant and throw when Gane comes at him, or burst in with some wild shit. That makes the for a typical intense fight. I think it should be a pick-em, I think the line is a bit narrative-driven. Personally, im passing, if it gets more wild I might have Francis money line, i could see him winning DEC somehow. Currently have tiny sprinkle on Gane DEC at 4.00 just incase he puts on a masterclass on Francis too.
 
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This fight card is quite stacked i am liking it. I wont go heavy on fantasy play.
I do think a number of underdogs would likely win next week.
 
taped the rest of the card:

Topuria/Jordain: Talk about insane odds. Don't like anything here, maybe a tiny sprinkle on Jordain by KO due to majority of his wins coming by that method. It probably ends in a finish but I'm not confident enough to lay the chalk. I remember people having cardio questions about him when he fought Zelal, he kind of answered some of those questions but let's see him go deep in a fight a few more times before lining him like Shevchenko. He was also dropped in his last fight before UFC, and regardless of all his flaws, Jordain is always dangerous. He most likely gets Anaconda choked here though.

Morales/Giles: I have fond memories of taping Morales. Hit him as a 3.00+ dog on contender, only 0.25u because of the lvl of competition, age, first fight in the USA, and his opponent's physicality. He answered a lot of questions in that fight against his toughest opponent and showed some new wrinkles in his game. Taping him again I noticed how composed he is, even back when he was 19 years of age. Patient striker, he doesn't rush in even when he hurts someone which is very rare that early. Good power, long reach and he can fight backward. He does have his hands low when he backs up and he ate a ton of shots because of that in his last fight. It diid not seem to faze him at all though. I think he was surprised that someone was finally making him pay for that at a high rate, but he adapted and changed up his style to win. He started throwing bombs and brawling and even wrestled. Giles has very fast hands, and a slick jab, especially early. He is also dropping down to WW which I have some questions about. I wish Morales had better odds, this is another contender series fav making his debut and they haven't been doing good so far. The problem is I will never bet Giles, he is on my shit list along with Anders, so atm it's favorite or pass. Giles is giving up 5 inches of reach, and Morales fights long but I'm a lil nervous about his defense early. There is also questions about what happens if Giles actively grapples. At this stage I will probably live bet it, it was amazing for me last week and saved me from a few pre-fight picks that tanked.

Viera/Turman: Only full unit bet on this card is over 1.5 here. Also, have the tiniest sprinkle on Turman. Viera was a lot more patient in his last fight and had improved striking fundamentals and footwork. I don't see him going back to his old ways after what happened in the Fluffy fight. Viera is 2-2 with his fights going over or under in the UFC so far, with the Fluffy fight also being 40 seconds away from hitting. Stolzfus in my opinion is bottom of the barrel and a purple belt, and he still survived till the third. It was 1-1 going into the third, and Viera was still doing flaky despite his improvements. I don't overly trust Turman, he seems like a meathead that always has the same gameplan and low IQ. But these kinds of odds against a gassy flake, I have to sprinkle out of principle even though I don't have the best read.

Pereira/Fialho: Very juiced odds, Pereira probably wins but Fialho is dangerous enough for me to pass. He does gass in every fight and is a bit hittable, but will constantly pressure and look to counter with his boxing. Pereira has displayed a pretty good chin against some big hitters, but I can't get that Todorovic KO out of my brain. Not a fan of Pereira's finishing instincts in the UFC to hit any unders.

Said/Stamann: This fight could be a lot closer than the odds. Stamann is a good striker and he has great defense but has no power so needs to put stamps on rounds with his wrestling, which is solid. The problem is Said is the longer more explosive striker and he mixes it up well. I tried looking into Said's grappling, Bibulatov grappled fucked him but it was 7 years ago and at FLW. He showed some horrendous cardio there as well. Recently he lost a very competitive but clear dec to Barcelos, who would punish all his missed spinning back kicks with back takes. He does this a lot and a few fighters have taken advantage. He does have decent wrestling himself and strong balance and hips, Barcelos was only able to consolidate a takedown in the third once Said seemed to slow down a bit. Stamanns best path is to pressure, crowd the kicks and just look to grapple for three. He is very durable and capable of taking it to DEC. I have a sneaky suspicion Said could slow down quite a bit from that gameplan but it's speculation based on lil tape. Im passing due to Stamann not having the best control, slowing down himself and probably getting chewed up at a distance whenever he doesn't wrestle.

Moreno/Figgy: I was felt like I was going to hit Moreno at these odds pre-tape. Had this feeling that this matchup is one of those trilogies where one fighter has the other guy's number. Kinda like Edgar/Penn and to a smaller extent Stipe/DC. Figgy has always had some problems when he doesn't finish his opponent, even all the way back to the Brooks fight which I thought he lost. Formiga shut him out, the first Moreno fight was a war and the second Moreno finished him. He was impressive against Pantoja for all 3 so have to give him that. Moreno has great durability, I don't see him finished by even someone like Figgy. Also has great cardio, fast hands and good wrestling which he used against Figgy both times. Figgy is inconsistent, every now and then he will come out looking off, and other times he will come out like a killer. I think the disciplined approach would be to wait and see how he looks in round 1. He is now training with Cejudo which I try not to let me influence too much, but can't ignore the fact that he might have better wrestling. If Moreno wins the first and looks good, I don't mind hammering him live like Kattar last week even though his odds were worse than pre-fight.

Gance/Francis: What a fight, one of my fav in recent times. Ngannou has been getting disrespected by the bookies a lot recently, which is a surprise considering he is the perfect kind of mix of hype and power. I remember cashing him as a 3.00 dog over Cain thinking that was the easiest money I ever made. Dog against Blaydes, and recently evens/slight dog to Stipe. The scariest thing about Ngannou is how quickly he closes the distance. He is not some plodding slow brawler. He is light on his feet, has a huge reach and throws straight punches and 1-2s 80% of the time. Gane is an animal, he is so technical, fast, and never gets touched. He freezes people with his faints. The one time he got cracked was by JDS who decided to counter while Gane was throwing a kick, instead of covering up himself. I feel like it will be a lot harder to freeze Francis. Last few of Ganes opponents have been stuck in the mud. Lewis, Volkov, and Jarzinho were all flat-footed and slow. I feel like Francis is a lot likey to plant and throw when Gane comes at him, or burst in with some wild shit. That makes the for a typical intense fight. I think it should be a pick-em, I think the line is a bit narrative-driven. Personally, im passing, if it gets more wild I might have Francis money line, i could see him winning DEC somehow. Currently have tiny sprinkle on Gane DEC at 4.00 just incase he puts on a masterclass on Francis too.
after the mess last week and all hype on Giga i will be focusing on a few favorites and more on the underdogs.

dont go chasing after favorites just because of their narrative says when you're betting them.
 
Current DK NJ ML odds:

Ngannou +135 Gane -155

Fig +155 Moreno -180

(Ngannou by KO/TKO/DQ +175, +2500 sub, +1000 decision, and ITD +165)
 
@Guld you mentioned that Ngannou’s game has holes and Gane would be taking advantage of them. What are these holes?

I hope it’s not the ”Ngannou drops his left hand when throwing the right”
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