UFC 217 - Bisping vs GSP - NYC

[Gugabe]

jesus you make so many dumb post.. for a guy hwo only watched mma for a short time its unreal how much you think you know about this sport.. Bisping beat Rockhold,Silva,Hendo lately sure some close decisions but he still beat some of the top fighters ever in ufc and still you think he is garbage?

Names don't mean shit when they're massively past their prime? Rockhold was an insane fluke. I'd have taken Rockhold to win a rematch if they'd held it 3 hours after the fight. Silva's in his current 'I don't give a shit about winning a decision' mode, and Hendo made a competitive decision out of what should have been Bisping finishing him inside 3.

 

[Andy Capp]

We didn't even see 90% of prime GSP performance in his last few fights. 4 years ago. Pre USADA. In a different era of the sport.

Jessamyn Duke vs Peggy Morgan was on the main card of a UFC event since GSP last fought.

That's exactly my point. I say that was due to issues which the time off he's had would serve to resolve, rather than make them worse.

 

[Gugabe]

JJ-Rose looking like a great livebetting opportunity, too. I like the idea of taking Rose ML pre-fight, then cashing it/swapping bets to JJ after the end of the first since I do feel like Rose is going to start faster than JJ.

 

[betrayedlurker]

He won all 5 rounds and was still more dominant than Bisping has been in his entire life

We'll see how he fares without his Flinstone vitamins.

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

Yeah seems like a dog or pass situation here. I guess if you are confident that Cody is a master of distance gauging and has the hand speed + power to really tag TJ a lot (leaning that way), then maybe a Cody ITD play. Otherwise I think I'm going to just enjoy

I just have no idea, it should be very competitive but maybe Garbrandt's boxing, speed and power might make the difference. Dillashaw is the more diverse fighter and he'll most likely try to mix in takedowns but I'm not confident he can break through that 100% TDD of Garbrandt.

On the feet I see Dillashaw being the more active fighter but I see Garbrandt landing the better shots, it's really tough to call.

As far as the odds go, yeah I think it's dog or pass at this point.

 

[lifeisgood12345]

jesus you make so many dumb post.. for a guy hwo only watched mma for a short time its unreal how much you think you know about this sport.. Bisping beat Rockhold,Silva,Hendo lately sure some close decisions but he still beat some of the top fighters ever in ufc and still you think he is garbage?

It's literally the most basic sport ever and logic like "this person/team has been winning but it doesn't seem sustainable" tends to be highly profitable

But sure, you are the smart one for citing basic information from his wiki page that could only be processed with many years of observing MMA

 

[lifeisgood12345]

We'll see how he fares without his Flinstone vitamins.

Is there any evidence for this?

 

[betrayedlurker]

That's exactly my point. I say that was due to issues which the time off he's had would serve to resolve, rather than make them worse.

No one in MMA history has ever looked better than their prime after coming off such a long layoff. You really think GSP will be the first? Just because he's "smart"? To me it's pretty clear that he's a very delusional person.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm sorry bro. I know you're a big fan of GSP but, like most fighters, the man is delusional. Of course he's going to tell himself he's a better version than he was in his prime, but anyone with common sense knows that's BS. He can't even hit pads without looking stiff anymore.

I think that video is for Bisping's benefit. It's not just because I'm a fan. He's always struck me as a person with a very realistic view of himself and his abilities. Everyone and their dog could see that GSP was in a rut in his last few fights. Even his thinking became more and more rigid and he was having trouble adapting when things aren't working, e.g. The hardy fight. I think the time off helped him fix that.

 

[Andy Capp]

JJ-Rose looking like a great livebetting opportunity, too. I like the idea of taking Rose ML pre-fight, then cashing it/swapping bets to JJ after the end of the first since I do feel like Rose is going to start faster than JJ.

Please explain how you "cash it" before the fight is over, said the noob.

 

[Andy Capp]

No one in MMA history has ever looked better than their prime after coming off such a long layoff. You really think GSP will be the first? Just because he's "smart"? To me it's pretty clear that he's a very delusional person.

Well, that's why they make them fight, right? Nothing is certain, I agree. But your assessment of his mental game + the veiled steroid accusation makes it sound like you're a BJ Penn fan with an axe to grind.

[edit LOL at the Sherdog dictionary that flags axe as a misspelled word.]

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

Nice. Im with you on all those except mas. But i get why people like mas here

Little nervous about Masvidal, his last 4 losses are all split decisions but he's the best striker WB has ever faced in MMA and by far the best boxer.

WB is in that post title fight letdown zone, he's also nearly 35. All WB's big wins are over guys when they were not at their best. Whittaker, Hendricks, Mcdonald.

Masvidal is in his prime right now and he's never an easy guy to beat, I think Masvidal's boxing is going to give WB problems he's never experienced before

Masvidal really is one of the best boxers in MMA, my opinion of him is very high.

 

[lifeisgood12345]

Little nervous about Masvidal, his last 4 losses are all split decisions but he's the best striker WB has ever faced in MMA and by far the best boxer.

WB is in that post title fight letdown zone, he's also nearly 35. All WB's big wins are over guys when they were not at their best. Whittaker, Hendricks, Mcdonald.

Masvidal is in his prime right now and he's never an easy guy to beat, I think Masvidal's boxing is going to give WB problems he's never experienced before

Masvidal really is one of the best boxers in MMA, my opinion of him is very high.

Why was Rory not at his best?

 

[betrayedlurker]

Speaking of delusional, here's Vick:



He says "how many more Joe Duffy's do I have to beat?" He actually thinks Duffy is on par with the bums he's been fighting. Says he's better everywhere and he'd beat him in a boxing match. He's pissed at everything just because the UFC haven't pushed him for beating post-USADA Trujillo and Polo Reyes.

He's definitely overlooking Duffy. He's in for a rude awakening, and I can confirm that Duffy is indeed a cosmic value bet.

 

[betrayedlurker]

Well, that's why they make them fight, right? Nothing is certain, I agree. But your assessment of his mental game + the veiled steroid accusation makes it sound like you're a BJ Penn fan with an axe to grind.

[edit LOL at the Sherdog dictionary that flags axe as a misspelled word.]

Nah dawg, BJ Penn is delusional too. I'm just a realist. No one has ever looked better than their prime coming off a similar layoff, and I will bet you anything that GSP doesn't look even close to it.

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

Why was Rory not at his best?

Because he was coming off that brutal Lawler loss where his nose got totally crushed and broken. McDonald also broke his nose in camp for WB.

The fight vs WB was a terrible performance for Mcdonald, he fought scared the whole fight, never took any chances, was content to lose the decision. I think he was scared to take chances because of his nose. That Lawler fight changed McDonald's career. A submission win over Paul Daley doesn't say much, lets see how he looks when he fights Lima, McDonald is going to get rekt.

 

[Andy Capp]

No one in MMA history has ever looked better than their prime after coming off such a long layoff. You really think GSP will be the first? Just because he's "smart"? To me it's pretty clear that he's a very delusional person.

Nah dawg, BJ Penn is delusional too. I'm just a realist. No one has ever looked better than their prime coming off a similar layoff, and I will bet you anything that GSP doesn't look even close to it.

Just caught that detail. Who the hell suggested he will look better than his prime? Stop trolling, it's a bad look on you.
And betting is the whole point of this thread, isn't it? If we always knew the outcome with 100% certainty they wouldn't call it gambling. I'd take a side wager with you on that but the statement is nebulous. Who is to judge "doesn't even look close to it"? I think he's going to perform well, win or lose.

 

[betrayedlurker]

Just caught that detail. Who the hell suggested he will look better than his prime? Stop trolling, it's a bad look on you.
And betting is the whole point of this thread, isn't it? If we always knew the outcome with 100% certainty they wouldn't call it gambling. I'd take a side wager with you on that but the statement is nebulous. Who is to judge "doesn't even look close to it"? I think he's going to perform well, win or lose.

I'm not trolling. You, yourself, said you believe everything GSP is saying because he's smart. GSP said he's currently better than he ever was.

You actually said you think GSP will look 85-90% of his prime which is just complete nonsense. No offence, but it just is. He's 36 years old and coming off a 4 year layoff, ACL/MCL surgery on both knees and he also hasn't fought since USADA.

 

[Itsnotthatseriousmydude]

Here are the amount of career wins Bisping's victims have gotten after he beat them

Hendo: 0
Silva: 1 (a robbery win at that)
Leites: 2
Dollaway: 1
Le: 0
Belcher: 0
Stann: 0
Miller: 0
Rivera: 1
Akiyama: 1

And the thing is that most of these victories aren't that decisive. Hendo/Silva/Leites were all coinflips that Bisping won at home, CB Dollaway gave him the business in round 1 and almost caught him in rd 3 even after getting KO'd by Machida's corpse. And everything preceding that were against guys on the way out the door.

Sure he's been active and he's been winning, but he wasn't that good in his prime and he hasn't been performing well in the wins. He merely has a luckbox that has been carrying him through and masking his age. He looked like complete ass vs Hendo and frankly wasn't great in any of the prior fights, and has aged 13 months since.

I can't imagine anybody actually wanting to bet on Bisping. The dude is trash.



Does this REALLY matter? I don't see a shred of evidence that it does. He has had plenty of time to train for this fight, and he is training intelligently with access to top notch resources. Ring rust isn't a real thing.

So what you're saying is that bisping deals out beatings that end careers? I'm picking up what you're putting down.

 

[Joseph Budden]

@Joseph Budden you got a read on zhabi and ramos? Thats my next tape

Think its a solid stylistic matchup for Zahabi and favor him to win a dec. Ramos is a great grappler but not an outstanding wrestler and he seems most comfortable working from kicking range which is a bad idea vs Zahabi who seems more capable in that area. Prob just take a small stab on the over though as far as betting goes and thats it.