UFC 217 - Bisping vs GSP - NYC

[Papi]

The tj/cody breakdown was 100% spot on imo

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

LOL at all you guys speculating about GSP vs Bisping, have fun playing your guessing game. Meanwhile I'm finding angles and making sharp plays

 

[lifeisgood12345]

Of course all you have is a gif and that's why you are a trash bettor who loses

I'm trying to start a discussion by making GOOD points and your ego is too attached to your shitty bet to do anything other than act like I'm the crazy one when I am the much more skilled and successful gambler between the two of us.

 

[Oblivian]

Am I the only one who thinks there are a lot of question marks both ways with GSP/Bisping? It's one of the fights that I haven't bet yet. I'm surprised people are going big on it to be honest.

 

[Papi]

If your not confident in either side of the bisping/gsp fight. Seems like the #elite bet for the fight would be the over or bisping nsc. Do i get your #blessing @Joseph Budden?

 

[Gugabe]

The tj/cody breakdown was 100% spot on imo

I feel like they failed to bring up that Garbrandt's 'take 2 to land 1' strategy against Cruz was atleast partly predicated on Cruz not hitting particularly hard, whilst I feel like he can't take the same volume from TJ. But, yeah. I'm kind of feeling this fight's either going to be a fairly early Cody KO or Dillashaw by wide decision. It's going to come down to Cody landing a kill-shot, since I think that he won't be able to keep up with TJ's volume sufficiently to win rounds if TJ survives all 5.

 

[Rapidryan88]

Because he's the GOAT and he's fighting a dude who was never nearly as good and is 2 years older.

Oh bro, can’t wait for bisping to win.

 

[betrayedlurker]

Of course all you have is a gif and that's why you are a trash bettor who loses

Damn your wheels are falling off dawg. Your shtick was that you've only just started watching MMA up until a couple of days ago, now you're extremely passionate and triggered about the Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World, Michael "The Count" Bisping.

I cashed Luque @ -120 (should have been -500) and Trinaldo + ACJ @ +105 last event. Two super sharp bets with cosmic value. Watch your mouth and have some respect.

 

[Yotsuya]

Here are the amount of career wins Bisping's victims have gotten after he beat them

Hendo: 0
Silva: 1 (a robbery win at that)
Leites: 2
Dollaway: 1
Le: 0
Belcher: 0
Stann: 0
Miller: 0
Rivera: 1
Akiyama: 1

And the thing is that most of these victories aren't that decisive. Hendo/Silva/Leites were all coinflips that Bisping won at home, CB Dollaway gave him the business in round 1 and almost caught him in rd 3 even after getting KO'd by Machida's corpse. And everything preceding that were against guys on the way out the door.

Sure he's been active and he's been winning, but he wasn't that good in his prime and he hasn't been performing well in the wins. He merely has a luckbox that has been carrying him through and masking his age. He looked like complete ass vs Hendo and frankly wasn't great in any of the prior fights, and has aged 13 months since.

I can't imagine anybody actually wanting to bet on Bisping. The dude is trash.

Win or lose, there's a good chance that this will be one of the very the last fights of GSP's career if not the last, so based in this record I like my Bisping bet even more.

 

[Gugabe]

Am I the only one who thinks there are a lot of question marks both ways with GSP/Bisping? It's one of the fights that I haven't bet yet. I'm surprised people are going big on it to be honest.

Yeah. I'm tempted to put a u or 2 on the u4.5, since I have a feeling that it's going to be a fight in which the losing party looks /terrible/... but I'm not sure who it's going to be.

 

[Papi]

Am I the only one who thinks there are a lot of question marks both ways with GSP/Bisping? It's one of the fights that I haven't bet yet. I'm surprised people are going big on it to be honest.

I think its cause gsp has wayyy more question marks around him. And bisping has a + next to his line. Or at least did hes evens now on my book

 

[Rapidryan88]

LOL at all you guys speculating about GSP vs Bisping, have fun playing your guessing game. Meanwhile I'm finding angles and making sharp plays

Well done bro congrats

 

[betrayedlurker]

Am I the only one who thinks there are a lot of question marks both ways with GSP/Bisping? It's one of the fights that I haven't bet yet. I'm surprised people are going big on it to be honest.

There were question marks about Rousey vs Nunes too. The signs are there dawg, it's clear as day. Trust me, you and everyone else are going to regret not betting Bisping at such a good price.

 

[Joseph Budden]

If your not confident in either side of the bisping/gsp fight. Seems like the #elite bet for the fight would be the over or bisping nsc. Do i get your #blessing @Joseph Budden?

yes the over is only thing worth considering due to both being decision machines. Otherwise I’m with ZeesMMA laughing at all the discussion about this fight

 

[Papi]

I feel like they failed to bring up that Garbrandt's 'take 2 to land 1' strategy against Cruz was atleast partly predicated on Cruz not hitting particularly hard, whilst I feel like he can't take the same volume from TJ. But, yeah. I'm kind of feeling this fight's either going to be a fairly early Cody KO or Dillashaw by wide decision. It's going to come down to Cody landing a kill-shot, since I think that he won't be able to keep up with TJ's volume sufficiently to win rounds if TJ survives all 5.

Also they didnt bring up codys back which is mostly specualtive but at least worth throwing out there. It give me pause and im backing cody here...but im rooting for tj

 

[Monster Meat]

Sure but Bisping is getting pretty old himself, and I'd say 36 y/o GSP is a better foe than 46 y/o Hendo, 40 y/o Silva, 33 y/o Leites, 35 y/o Tim Kennedy, 40 y/o Cung Le, etc.

I agree Bisping hasn’t had many good wins but gsp wasn’t exactly coming off a impressive performance Against Hendricks plus he’s coming off that layoff and moving up a weight class.

 

[Oblivian]

There were question marks about Rousey vs Nunes too. The signs are there dawg, it's clear as day. Trust me, you and everyone else are going to regret not betting Bisping at such a good price.

Not denying that with GSP, but Bisping's knee issues did not sound good at all.

 

[lifeisgood12345]

Bisping is far from the best middleweight on the planet, but he is also nowhere near being "complete trash". He's a top 5ish talent in a division that is 15 lbs above the one that GSP competed in. He has decent takedown defence, above average striking and pushes a steady pace to go along with the height & reach advantage he will enjoy in this matchup. Throw in GSP's layoff, injuries, USADA, last performance... and it's not hard to see why people are leaning Bisping as a dog.

He's basically decent at a few things and thats it. He was never great at anything and hes well past his prime at 38. Also loves to drink which isnt good for aging.

I'd make him dog vs at least 10 MWs. He may seem like top 5 bc of recent wins, but if his last 3 decisions were road losses instead of home wins you would all think hes washed and not top 15

 

[betrayedlurker]

Not denying that with GSP, but Bisping's knee issues did not sound good at all.

He's looked fine in recent sparring footage. GSP has tore his ACL and MCL in both knees multiple times, even after he retired.

 

[Andy Capp]

You are kinda proving my point. Not sure if u were trying to

Roach can not turn GSP into a boxer to beat Bisoing. He should be focusing on kicks and takedowns.

He used to kick the shit out of people. When he started relying more on boxing. He started eating shots

I think he will return to a kick heavy gameplan for this fight. He knows he can fire kicks at will (provided he can avoid the counter). Bisping isn't shooting any takedowns.

GSP's striking was obviously very technical but you're delusional if you don't see the huge regression in his last few fights. I can't believe you're looking to bet him here.

Even back then his head never moved off the center line and he got way more hittable toward the end of his career. Bisping is obviously hittable too but GSP is not hurting or outstriking him over the course of 5 rounds.

do you think bisping will be scared of gsps vicious power Since gsp has knocked out so many guys with his stand up?

I'm not saying you don't have good reasons for thinking this way, but I disagree with the idea that Bisping has nothing to fear in GSP's striking. First and foremost, my reasoning is based upon the assumption that GSP is not deluded and that the time off did him a lot of good. He was burned out and he was in a rut, as Betrayed points out. I feel confident the time off served to help him fix these shortcomings.

I reason as follows. GSP can strike with kicks at will and he can judge the distance well enough to avoid most of Bisping's offense. He always had good defense (his last few fights, notwithstanding.) He's taken much less damage than Bisping as well and I think his chin is still solid, whereas Bisping's may have been cracked by now after Hendo x2 etc. He doesn't need to win via overwhelming punching power; he will use his superior speed. He will chop down Bisping's legs until his movement is shite and then he will start racking up the takedowns.

I'm not deluded; I know I could be way off and GSP could get stuffed and beat bell to bell, but if that happens, it means every word out of his mouth for the last year is a total lie and I think GSP has more integrity than that. Instead, I think we'll see about 85-90% of prime GSP performance. If so, he will be able to come at Bisping with a large variety of attacks and level changes and keep Bisping off balance. If GSP can land a similar jab on Bisping's good eye that put Koscheck out for over a year, it will be a very bad night for the MW champ.

And by the way, please see my sig.