UFC 217 - Bisping vs GSP - NYC

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Need to watch tape still but can already sense how triggered i'm gonna get this week by anyone betting Borrachinha in the friggin -200s
 
SBJJ said:
He was actually touting him when he first showed up
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Oh you're right totally forgot about that, hard to follow all the silly bs drama, trolling and touting that's going around here at times
 
raketmannen said:
Oh you're right totally forgot about that, hard to follow all the silly bs drama, trolling and touting that's going around here at times
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Yea. I hear ya. But I have a near photographic memory. Lol

Doesn't matter much though. Zee has been doing quite well in his picks as of late
 
Joseph Budden said:
Need to watch tape still but can already sense how triggered i'm gonna get this week by anyone betting Borrachinha in the friggin -200s
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People are already betting him

I bet Hendricks small already
 
Has anyone seen any extensive training video for GSP? What little I've seen I don't really like.

Used to get massive amounts of training vids from him pre fights
 
 
I got half my bankroll on Bisping. He will not win because of his skill set, but because of his cardio and ability to take punishment. As a matter of fact I am fading GSP here. I am actually betting that he is just a great fighter from a different era, and in today's mma, even if you are Maia, you are fucked without cardio and boxing.
No one can convince me that GSP trained hard four years, like looking to learn new stuff and evolving his game without knowing if he will be back. He must likely got in the gym to keep in shape. I just don't see how even GSP, when he is not commited to constantly improving, beats a top ten MW (which is what Bisping is). Can someone provide an example from the last 10 years when a fighter takes extensive time off and then returns a complete monster?
 
He doesn't have to return a complete monster. Bisping isn't that good and nearly lost to both old men Silva + Henderson. GSP has had a while to train and get back in shape and is still not that old at 36. I think people are being way overconfident in Bisping here. He's just not that good and GSP is really smart at gaming the judges for a fight where the crowd will likely be behind him and will likely go to decision.
 
conscience said:
I got half my bankroll on Bisping. He will not win because of his skill set, but because of his cardio and ability to take punishment. As a matter of fact I am fading GSP here. I am actually betting that he is just a great fighter from a different era, and in today's mma, even if you are Maia, you are fucked without cardio and boxing.
No one can convince me that GSP trained hard four years, like looking to learn new stuff and evolving his game without knowing if he will be back. He must likely got in the gym to keep in shape. I just don't see how even GSP, when he is not commited to constantly improving, beats a top ten MW (which is what Bisping is). Can someone provide an example from the last 10 years when a fighter takes extensive time off and then returns a complete monster?
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Half your bankroll? Smh, now he's gonna lose. You fucked it for all of us
 
lifeisgood12345 said:
He doesn't have to return a complete monster. Bisping isn't that good and nearly lost to both old men Silva + Henderson. GSP has had a while to train and get back in shape and is still not that old at 36. I think people are being way overconfident in Bisping here. He's just not that good and GSP is really smart at gaming the judges for a fight where the crowd will likely be behind him and will likely go to decision.
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Why do people think Silva is trash now? He did better against DC than anyone thought. And hung in with Brunson

I'd bet Silva over GSP also
 
conscience said:
I got half my bankroll on Bisping. He will not win because of his skill set, but because of his cardio and ability to take punishment. As a matter of fact I am fading GSP here. I am actually betting that he is just a great fighter from a different era, and in today's mma, even if you are Maia, you are fucked without cardio and boxing.
No one can convince me that GSP trained hard four years, like looking to learn new stuff and evolving his game without knowing if he will be back. He must likely got in the gym to keep in shape. I just don't see how even GSP, when he is not commited to constantly improving, beats a top ten MW (which is what Bisping is). Can someone provide an example from the last 10 years when a fighter takes extensive time off and then returns a complete monster?
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Wow you're going to bet half your bankroll? This either means you have a tiny bankroll (nothing wrong with that) or you don't understand simple bankroll management or both. If you are fading GSP then you are doing so blind. There are so many unknowns surrounding GSP, hard to find strong confidence on either side because of that. You are all just assuming GSP (former GOAT) is not going to perform well because of the layoff and jump up in weight but you don't really know for sure, he might look good and double leg Bisping for 5 rounds, Bisping is not the best middleweight in the world and he's been contemplating retirement himself, 38 years old.
 
I'm not understand why people say... You are just assuming GSP won't be at his best because he's been out 4 years and moving up a weight class. It's as if those are NOT 2 facts that should go into analyzing the fight

Few more.

GSP already looked to be slowing at the end of his GOAT career and was having harder times with takedowns and control

Surgeries on knees. COULD have an impact on the once supersonic takedowns

Facing a bigger opponent with proven TDD

Facing an opponent with a proven gas tank at 185. With a volume style

Limited training footage of GSP just does not look good. Looks kinda bulky and slow

Doesn't mean Bisping is a Lock. The guy could definetly shit the bed. And chocking fools out at 24 hour fitness might not be the best training
 
But yea. Half bank roll? Don't do it dude.

If you did it at Bisping + 120 then please hedge
 
SBJJ said:
I'm not understand why people say... You are just assuming GSP won't be at his best because he's been out 4 years and moving up a weight class. It's as if those are NOT 2 facts that should go into analyzing the fight

Few more.

GSP already looked to be slowing at the end of his GOAT career and was having harder times with takedowns and control

Surgeries on knees. COULD have an impact on the once supersonic takedowns

Facing a bigger opponent with proven TDD

Facing an opponent with a proven gas tank at 185. With a volume style

Limited training footage of GSP just does not look good. Looks kinda bulky and slow

Doesn't mean Bisping is a Lock. The guy could definetly shit the bed. And chocking fools out at 24 hour fitness might not be the best training
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Preach

You missed a big one though, his long-time mentor Kristof Midoux said this about him:
“I think he needs help and I think the people around him are hiding things from him,” Midoux said. “I witnessed his sparring and I did not see what I wanted to see from him.”
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Full article: https://www.mmamania.com/platform/a...y-for-michael-bisping-at-ufc-217-mma-new-york
 
I am mostly a degen gambler, I lost my br two times this year but it's no biggy. Back in the day when I played poker for a living I had a pretty tight br management, but nowadays it's mostly for fun. Now as for the Bisping value, I like it just because we don't know, so the price could be off. At this point, well until the line got corrected, the market predicted GSP, the smart gameplanner and so on will return in shape and beat the Bisping we all know. I got Bisping at 2.25 btw. I think in most case the general perception is right, cuz everyone sees the same stuff when watching tape. Here I feel it's wrong cuz everyone is comparing GSP the champion with Bisping who almost got flattened by Hendo.
 
I havent posted in these threads for awhile but have been lurking dreaming of being able to do any real betting. Life just been too busy and imm not good at it

But this line on the Cody-TJ fight is making me interested.

Cody, despite what he has been saying, has been injured and healing over the last year. TJ has been straight. Both had close fights with Cruz but imo they fought different Doms. I suspect TJ's cardio is better right now than Cody's due to Cody's inactivity over the last year.

I'm just having a hard time thinking Cody is up to par. I'd stay away from this fight if Cody hadnt been fighting a back injury all year, but TJ has looked very impressive, even in defeat to Dom, and Cody likely beat a hampered Dom and has been out for a year.

At +135, TJ seems like a solid bet i'm thinking of throwing the change jar on
 
Take jj vs rn fight. If we make a survey on sherdog with the question who will win, the results will most likely reflect that 4:1 probability. Now whether you want to convince yourself and others that Rose is a submission threat JJ has never seen or that jj is just gonna beat her up is a matter of taste and fandom, but the fact of the matter is the price is right, so either bet just pays the juice.
Some of you guys are long term winners, so you must be finding good bets mostly in the lower tier fights or maybe guessing the line movements, but for me, I mostly have time to research main cards, which offer correct lines. This is why I think Bisping is a good play.
 
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