UFC 205 - Conor vs Alvarez - NY

[cCrown]

If you don't like to argue, then don't acknowledge him. He's one of the drama queens in this forum and will generally act like an idiot when someone questions his intelligence and attempts to have a civilized conversation.

You're right, lesson learned. I'm new here so I kinda have to figure out who's who on this forum. The thing that was really refreshing to me on this betting forum is that generally people interact with one another in a mature and respectful way instead of the usual mma forums where conversations almost inevitably devolve into ad hominem attacks and emotional responses. I guess you can't completely eliminate them no matter where you are but a few bad apples i can handle .

 

[mkess101]

I can't believe posters are actually saying Conor can't win a decision here. He just won a 5 rounder against Diaz at 170

I thought Diaz won but I think your point is still valid. Conor can ABSOLUTELY win a decision. It's a ways down the list of likely outcomes imo, but for sure it's possible. Especially given Eddie's toughness. Nate is probably a little more durable, but Eddie can take a punch too. I'd say Eddie is more hittable too overall, but even that is a negligible difference.

That said, there's one big difference between Eddie and Nate in that regard. Remember when Conor dropped Nate twice early in that fight, he had zero desire to follow Nate to the mat to land gnp. Nate's guard being so good was a weapon that let him lay there a few seconds and shake any cobwebs that might have been there until the ref made him stand up. Eddie won't have that luxury if he gets dropped. Conor will have no hesitation to pounce and throw bombs to end it. Just something to think about.

 

[mkess101]

You're right, lesson learned. I'm new here so I kinda have to figure out who's who on this forum. The thing that was really refreshing to me on this betting forum is that generally people interact with one another in a mature and respectful way instead of the usual mma forums where conversations almost inevitably devolve into ad hominem attacks and emotional responses. I guess you can't completely eliminate them no matter where you are but a few bad apples i can handle .

Plekz is just a salty dude on here. PR and him have a history of going back and forth (both have been around a long time, as have I). Mostly PR is right and Plekz just delivers things in a way that piss people off LOL. I got into it with Plekz once quite awhile back too but it didn't last long. Once I called him out for his delivery being shitty, he actually chilled out and we had a good discussion. He has good knowledge and insight to bring to the table here, but like I told him back then "Nobody is gonna care about the fact you have a lot of good stuff to contribute if you act like a shithead nonstop".

And of course the big thing is (as with really any forum), don't take anything too seriously. It's generally way more constructive here than the heavy's, etc., but every now and then there's still squabbles. EZ and the other mods that pop in do a good job of keeping it on course though.

 

[plekz]

Plekz

aldo and diaz = always. yeah ''ok'' friend. luffare.

 

[t6p]

I thought Diaz won but I think your point is still valid. Conor can ABSOLUTELY win a decision. It's a ways down the list of likely outcomes imo, but for sure it's possible. Especially given Eddie's toughness. Nate is probably a little more durable, but Eddie can take a punch too. I'd say Eddie is more hittable too overall, but even that is a negligible difference.

That said, there's one big difference between Eddie and Nate in that regard. Remember when Conor dropped Nate twice early in that fight, he had zero desire to follow Nate to the mat to land gnp. Nate's guard being so good was a weapon that let him lay there a few seconds and shake any cobwebs that might have been there until the ref made him stand up. Eddie won't have that luxury if he gets dropped. Conor will have no hesitation to pounce and throw bombs to end it. Just something to think about.

Totally agree with you. One other thing to add, which I think is being discounted here is Conor's volume. Conor landed 46 of 76 significant strikes in round 4 of the second Diaz fight, which was the most strikes he attempted/landed in any round of that fight. If you discount the RDA fight, it's also more than double the number of significant strikes that Eddie has landed in ANY round of his UFC career.

If Eddie decides to implement the same gameplan he used against Pettis (which I believe he will) I think it's very possible that he's going to be just as gassed, if not moreso than Conor heading to the championship rounds. Those takedowns could become more difficult for him to land at that point. On top of that, I've noticed that Eddie has no problem getting dragged into brawls later in fights.

My point here is that I don't think it's unreasonable to think that if Conor can keep it standing late in the fight, he could win rounds based on his output being so much higher than Eddie has ever shown. I don't think a Conor decision is likely, but it's certainly possible.

 

[Soccer Steve]

yet another good prop spot by you, ty, i'm on KK DEC +530, too. 0.4u - she can't finish a tuna sandwich. but she can win 3 rds vs jj.

You think? Seems/feels like JJ is already right in her head. This fight screams 50-45, 49-46 unan for JJ. Would've much preferred a JJ-Thug fight but here we are.

 

[Joseph Budden]

I love how plekz only seems to show up when a Conor fight is happening lol

 

[chemmy]

You think? Seems/feels like JJ is already right in her head. This fight screams 50-45, 49-46 unan for JJ. Would've much preferred a JJ-Thug fight but here we are.

That's what I'm thinking too. I expect Joanna to coast her way through this fight to a clear decision. Karolina is talented, but I don't see her having all that much success in this fight.

 

[OneWarrior1]

A lot of parlays gonna be busted if pocket kings holds up against pocket jacks

 

[chemmy]

That's what I'm thinking too. I expect Joanna to coast her way through this fight to a clear decision. Karolina is talented, but I don't see her having all that much success in this fight.

Then again +530 might be generous enough to warrant a play.

 

[t6p]

Then again +530 might be generous enough to warrant a play.

That was my thought. I can't imagine KK getting a finish so I feel like you're basically getting her moneyline at +530. This is WMMA after all and stranger things have happened. Also, I believe KK will be the best striker Joanna has faced, no?

 

[SBJJ]

A lot of parlays gonna be busted if pocket kings holds up against pocket jacks

I actually think it's gonna be a pretty close fight. I'll probably be on KK

 

[Rebel_LioN]

Conor says he doesn't want to fight in Las Vegas anymore :/ no more epic cards in sleezytown.

Anyone going to be there to watch this NY card? I'm going to go HAM on MJ for the upset. I think his lateral movement gets him past Khabib.

Although, 1 TD spells doom but I'm willing to take that risk.

 

[Shoulder]

Conor says he doesn't want to fight in Las Vegas anymore :/ no more epic cards in sleezytown.

Anyone going to be there to watch this NY card? I'm going to go HAM on MJ for the upset. I think his lateral movement gets him past Khabib.

Although, 1 TD spells doom but I'm willing to take that risk.

I think that will work out great, NY is more convenient both for him and the Irish traveling to support him.

I have 1U on MJ, but will add more since I expect the line to get better, alot of people seem to think Khabib is unbeatable.

 

[Sham5916910]

I like JJ a lot here. KK is good in the clinch but is she going to have an advantage over JJ in the clinch? I doubt it. At range Rose was bashing her so i can only imagine what JJ will do to her.

 

[t6p]

I think that will work out great, NY is more convenient both for him and the Irish traveling to support him.

I have 1U on MJ, but will add more since I expect the line to get better, alot of people seem to think Khabib is unbeatable.

I'm considering a bet on MJ but the Madadi and Jury fights are making me nervous. He was completely dominated on the ground by both guys so I have a bad feeling about what's going to happen if/when Khabib gets him down. That said, his takedown defense has looked great since those two fights. I believe he started training with the Blackzilians shortly after the loss to Madadi and it looks like he's really improved that part of his game. He was easily stuffing Dariush's takedown attempts (I still don't understand how the judges scored that for Beneil). However, he hasn't been taken down in his last 7 fights since losing to Madadi so we don't really know how he'll look if he ends up on his back against Khabib, which will most likely happen at some point in the fight.

The odds on MJ are certainly tempting. I'm just not confident that he's going to be able to keep the fight standing long enough to win a decision here. I think his best chance might be to catch Khabib with something early in the fight. I'm interested in seeing the line on MJ round 1.

 

[Rebel_LioN]

Dunno what it was about Khabib's last fight but he looked really scared in the stand up. I watched the fight recently, he didn't land a single punch in the first 2.5 minutes of the fight until he crowded Horcher into a TD. In that fight, he landed a total of 1 standing strike. It will be an clear cut disparity if he has moments of non activity against MJ without landing a TD because MJ is like a hummingbird.

This is a real strikers vs grapplers match. At any point Khabib tries to go toe-2-toe with MJ he's going to get knocked, just as it would be the same for MJ if he's forced to grapple with Khabib he'd get raped on the ground.

MJ's brand of TDD isn't to stop the shot with underhooks or traditional wrestling defenses, its to not be there in the first place almost like what Wonderboy is doing. He's taken several years to develop this style and it was a process. It's an extremely difficult style to perfect. In this situation I think Henri Hooft will be telling MJ to get off first. It's a matter of execution at this point and I think on any given Saturday he can pull off the upset.

Seeing how there are huge implications on the biggest stage I can see both guys stepping up to the plate and putting it on the line.

 

[t6p]

Dunno what it was about Khabib's last fight but he looked really scared in the stand up. I watched the fight recently, he didn't land a single punch in the first 2.5 minutes of the fight until he crowded Horcher into a TD. In that fight, he landed a total of 1 standing strike. It will be an clear cut disparity if he has moments of non activity against MJ without landing a TD because MJ is like a hummingbird.

This is a real strikers vs grapplers match. At any point Khabib tries to go toe-2-toe with MJ he's going to get knocked, just as it would be the same for MJ if he's forced to grapple with Khabib he'd get raped on the ground.

MJ's brand of TDD isn't to stop the shot with underhooks or traditional wrestling defenses, its to not be there in the first place almost like what Wonderboy is doing. He's taken several years to develop this style and it was a process. It's an extremely difficult style to perfect. In this situation I think Henri Hooft will be telling MJ to get off first. It's a matter of execution at this point and I think on any given Saturday he can pull off the upset.

Seeing how there are huge implications on the biggest stage I can see both guys stepping up to the plate and putting it on the line.

I remembered Khabib looking tentative against Horcher but I didn't realize the extent of it until I just went back and watched it again. You're absolutely right, he wanted no parts of standing with Horcher in that fight. Which is kind of interesting, because in some of his past fights it almost seemed like he thought his striking was better than it actually is and he was reckless with it at times. Maybe we can chalk that up to him not feeling totally comfortable after the 2 year layoff, I'm not sure.

In any case, this is one of the most interesting fights on the card to me. Really looking forward to it.

 

[EzFlyer]

yea what @t6p said -- i think he was rusty.. BUT at the same time i think he'll look similar against MJ whenever it's standing..

 

[Tebowned]

Rashad on Conor at ww

"Another problem was the fact that he didn’t have to cut weight," he said. "Now every single thing that goes into a fight is a process. For me, putting on my suit — making sure I’m suited and booted before I go out there — that helps me get to my rhythm so then I’m not analyzing every aspect of a fight before it’s time to. So for him not cutting weight, for him not having that on his mind, he then put other things on his plate that he wouldn’t normally do because he was cutting weight.

"And then, if you add the physical attributes to it, you have a guy in Conor McGregor who is dominating at his weight class because really, he’s tall and he as a cannon for his left hand. But he makes people make mistakes because he leads them to believe that he’s a lot closer than he is and then he pulls back, and then he catches them reaching. He’s either able to catch them with counter strikes or he makes them have a huge range to fulfill."

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/1...gregor-was-putting-on-too-much-before-ufc-196

Off Topic but Rashad is such an OG. He rubbed people the wrong way for a long time but he's pretty smart. He was talking about himself as him being a brand long before Conor was in the the UFC.
It pissed alot of people off incuding Dana White:

"That's the weirdest comment I have ever heard in my life," White told ESPN.com "[Rashad] is scheduled to fight in March.

"We offered him a fight in September; he turned it down. He said he didn't want to harm his brand. I don't know what the Rashad Evans brand is, or what that means, but he said he didn't want to harm it. It's not like we were keeping him from fighting, he chose to wait for Shogun. It's not our fault; Shogun had knee surgery."