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UFC 204 - Bisping vs Hendo II - England

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God damn, I've not seen anyone call someone else a noob since I played RuneScape as a teenager.

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AffectEffect said:
Call me a troll and a boy all you want. It doesn't change that fact that you are dead wrong. Edwards grappling has improved, shit he went to AKA to improve it.

We have 2 good strikers fighting each other, it is really important to look at how the grappling will play out. If you want to close you eyes to that part of the fight and blindly bet chalked up favorites then go on ahead NOOB. Maybe other capers here want to handicap how the grappling will play out? It is an important part of the fight.
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I dont think there will be any grappling it will be a stand up fight imo. We can only speculate if it does hit the mat. Tumenov getting tapped by gunnar means nothing against a guy out grappled in parts by waters. You are puttng way too much stock into edwards out grappling waters. Tumenov would have raped waters inside a round.

Good luck but i dont need betting advice my br is very healthy with my style of betting. It doesnt suit everyone but it works for me. Share your bets in the betting tips thread and maybe we can see what a sharpe you are
 
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AffectEffect said:
Call me a troll and a boy all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you are dead wrong. Edwards grappling has improved, shit he went to AKA to improve it.

We have 2 good strikers fighting each other, it is really important to look at how the grappling will play out. If you want to close your eyes to that part of the fight and blindly bet chalked up favorites then go on ahead NOOB. Maybe other capers here want to handicap how the grappling will play out? It is an important part of the fight.
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He went to aka and now hes back at utc. Iron sharpens iron
 
PuertoRican said:
Do the thinking for me:

- Usually, people traveling from USA to England have to worry about the time difference.
- UFC 204 starts in the AM, and the main event or main card is supposed to start at 5am from what I've heard.
- Several Europeans, like Gegard Mousasi, are adjusting their sleep schedule to fit the late start time.
- Both Bisping and Henderson live in USA, and are flying to England where they'll fight at 5am or later. Neither guy has the advantage here, imo.
- Does fighting at 5am in England help or not help someone from USA? If they started at a normal time in England, I'd assume a fighter from USA would be at a slight disadvantage.
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It maybe nothing, I'm just thinking that flying from wherever in the world to a different country adjusting to the time difference is one thing, but then having to fight at 4/5/6am might be extra tough to deal with..
 
Brick Top said:
Rewatch the Ilir Latifi fight where he could have finished him at any moment but jabbed his face for 3 rounds instead to a decision win. Fuck betting Mousasi ITD or the under.
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Seen that fight too many times, you are right moose could just ride out a decision here against Vitor, its the safer thing to do. Still reckon moose has the style to gnp or sub vitor here though, I would not go heavy on an itd play, su is safest or in parlays.

I live bet almost 60-70% anyhow lol
 
i do favour tumenov here, think his technical boxing will give anyone fits but i can't pull the trigger at his current price because:

1) edwards is finally fighting someone who isn't going to try and take him down, which means his striking could look much better than we've seen thus far.

2) we know edwards has been training his wrestling like crazy after usman dominated him and the improvements were obvious in his fight against waters. while he was mainly using his wrestling for defencive purposes, tumenov didn't look particularly good off his back so he might gameplan to put him there.

i could hit tumenov at -160 or so but -250 is too steep for me. even though i think tumenov will probably win, for me font/bisping/mous are more severe mismatches for parlays.
 
Can Omielanczuk KO Struve? Probably not. His last KO was against 3-1 guy. Don't think he can sub or KO Struve. I'm kinda big on Stefan here. Omialnxuk is terrible.
 


Check out what Bisping's son has to say about the outcome of the fight at 6:15. :D
 
piglord said:
i do favour tumenov here, think his technical boxing will give anyone fits but i can't pull the trigger at his current price because:

1) edwards is finally fighting someone who isn't going to try and take him down, which means his striking could look much better than we've seen thus far.

2) we know edwards has been training his wrestling like crazy after usman dominated him and the improvements were obvious in his fight against waters. while he was mainly using his wrestling for defencive purposes, tumenov didn't look particularly good off his back so he might gameplan to put him there.

i could hit tumenov at -160 or so but -250 is too steep for me. even though i think tumenov will probably win, for me font/bisping/mous are more severe mismatches for parlays.
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this sums up how i feel pretty well

@AffectEffect made some good points about the grappling changes, i'm gonna do the legwork and rewatch some fights for this one, myself -- and yea, while gunny is amazing on the ground.. tumenov didn't just lose to gunny, he got BLOWN OUT.. (man that one sucked, i lost a bunch, bad bet by me)

overall, good discussion on this one by all, it's healthy in the long run, we need to ask questions
 
Anyone else think the big boys could go to a decision at I'm sure what will be big odds?

OSP/Manuwa
Struve/Omie
 
Rebel_LioN said:
Anyone else think the big boys could go to a decision at I'm sure what will be big odds?

OSP/Manuwa
Struve/Omie
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yes to both. already bet the first one. props not out on the other.
 
Sham5916910 said:
Silva is not a wrestler hes a bjj guy. Silva is bottom level whether it was close or not. If memory serves me right it could have gone either way. How do you know he has made huge grappling improvements? His tdd has improved but his grappling im not sure. Out grappling waters means nothing to me he is not ufc level. Waters even had some success scoring a few takedowns.

Tumenov was exposed by gunnar dude the best grappler in the division bar maia. Edwards taking down waters and out grappling him does not mean he is doing the same to tumnov. Waters is awful. This will be a stand up fight Edwards is not taking Tumenov down and out grappling waters like i said does not mean he is out grappling tumenov.

Edwards does not have more power where the hell is this coming from. In 5 ufc fights he has 1 ko win over someone who had been ko'd in 2 of his previous 4 fights. Tumenov ko'd iron jawed jouban, he is the only man to ko lapsley in 30 fights and hes the only person to ko dwyer (dwyers other ko loss was a slam).

I took tumenov as fodder against jouban at about this price so im loving this price. Edwards is being well overrated he is 3-2 in the ufc and he did not look spectacular in fights he should have if he is going to beat tumenov. The way he beat pawlak and waters two awful fighters was very uninspiring. He has potential does edwards but tumenov is the real deal. Big red flag is doing his camp at a lame gym in birmingham too for the hardest fight of his career
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I am very surprised that tumenov's price is this high ,I will take him as fodder.Edwards is not on tumenov's level,Not even close.
 
odds inc on ufc 204, rest of the prelims

hitting danny roberts -135 vs perry -105.

so fucking angry that a.martins is -350 vs leo santos, WTF. i was praying for evens. -350 fuckkkkk.
 
@EzFlyer wheres that pic of the odds you usually post ahead of time? Trying to be prepared for when they drop lol
 
AffectEffect said:
If you don't think Edwards grappling has improved, then you are completely biased. I know you are new to this sport, but when guys make improvements to their game you see it in their fights. Watch edwards take waters back in the transitions and if you can't see the improvements in his skills then you are blind.

One thing you need to learn is that putting juiced favorites in parlays is a terrible idea, I have watched you do it for months, one thing you said a few months ago "I don't make parlays that don't pay out better thank +100" made me laugh out loud. Parlays are the exact same thing as a straight bet, they are just chained together. The term "parlay fodder" is used by someone who is green. When you are betting thousands of dollars on juiced faves, I don't think you have ANY idea how many units could be riding on a juiced fave in the final leg of a parlay. It's not "parlay fodder", in the end leg of these parlays you have SO MUCH riding on a juiced line, it actually exposes you more than if you were betting them at moderate sizes straight.

For someone who didn't know who Will Brooks is, you should learn more about mma gambling and basic theory before acting so cocky.
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you are the cocky guy
 
took roberts for a couple units -135

considering U1.5 -110
 
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