UFC 204 - Bisping vs Hendo II - England

[PuertoRican]

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[Sham5916910]

I think your analysis is pretty one sided here.

Edwards lost to 2 grinding wrestlers, silva who dropped down from 185 to 170, and Usman a world class wrestler who might be championship material. Most media scored the loss to Silva for edwards, and if you look at Mma decisions it was a weird situation where 2 of 3 judges gave him the 1st and 2nd, but all 3 said he lost the third so he lost the dec. He is the only person to take a round off Usman yet, that says a lot to me and is more impressive than losing to alcantara.

When edwards has lost it is because of his ground game, which he has made huge improvements on. He switched his camp to AKA, for a few fights and his grappling really changed. I don't think he trained at AKA this time, can't find it on twitter, but he did train with Breese. Has tumenov focused on his grappling holes?

I actually think edwards might be able win with his wrestling, he at this point has a grappling advantage imo. Tumenov was just exposed big time in the grappling. They are both high level strikers imo, edwards has more power and tumenov has more volume.

Silva is not a wrestler hes a bjj guy. Silva is bottom level whether it was close or not. If memory serves me right it could have gone either way. How do you know he has made huge grappling improvements? His tdd has improved but his grappling im not sure. Out grappling waters means nothing to me he is not ufc level. Waters even had some success scoring a few takedowns.

Tumenov was exposed by gunnar dude the best grappler in the division bar maia. Edwards taking down waters and out grappling him does not mean he is doing the same to tumnov. Waters is awful. This will be a stand up fight Edwards is not taking Tumenov down and out grappling waters like i said does not mean he is out grappling tumenov.

Edwards does not have more power where the hell is this coming from. In 5 ufc fights he has 1 ko win over someone who had been ko'd in 2 of his previous 4 fights. Tumenov ko'd iron jawed jouban, he is the only man to ko lapsley in 30 fights and hes the only person to ko dwyer (dwyers other ko loss was a slam).

I took tumenov as fodder against jouban at about this price so im loving this price. Edwards is being well overrated he is 3-2 in the ufc and he did not look spectacular in fights he should have if he is going to beat tumenov. The way he beat pawlak and waters two awful fighters was very uninspiring. He has potential does edwards but tumenov is the real deal. Big red flag is doing his camp at a lame gym in birmingham too for the hardest fight of his career

 

[Brick Top]

I'm too scared laying juice against any foreign fighter vs English fighter on this card.

 

[Sham5916910]

I felt completely battered yesterday, raced all day Saturday with a shitty cold then ufc all night I got to bed at 6.45am then was up at 10.45am had to leave for work early today as went into London but only got my head down at 11.30 last night.

Can't believe the Manchester card finishes at 6.00am I think that might fuck up some fighters who travel over to the uk and can't adjust

Good point on the time thing. Im on a russian who trains in the states against a brit. Hope hes adjusted!

 

[Brick Top]

Good point on the time thing. Im on a russian who trains in the states against a brit. Hope hes adjusted!

How many units?

 

[PuertoRican]

I felt completely battered yesterday, raced all day Saturday with a shitty cold then ufc all night I got to bed at 6.45am then was up at 10.45am had to leave for work early today as went into London but only got my head down at 11.30 last night.

Can't believe the Manchester card finishes at 6.00am I think that might fuck up some fighters who travel over to the uk and can't adjust

Do the thinking for me:

- Usually, people traveling from USA to England have to worry about the time difference.
- UFC 204 starts in the AM, and the main event or main card is supposed to start at 5am from what I've heard.
- Several Europeans, like Gegard Mousasi, are adjusting their sleep schedule to fit the late start time.
- Both Bisping and Henderson live in USA, and are flying to England where they'll fight at 5am or later. Neither guy has the advantage here, imo.
- Does fighting at 5am in England help or not help someone from USA? If they started at a normal time in England, I'd assume a fighter from USA would be at a slight disadvantage.

 

[Sham5916910]

How many units?

5 tum + moose

 

[Joseph Budden]

Does fighting at 5am in England help or not help someone from USA? If they started at a normal time in England, I'd assume a fighter from USA would be at a slight disadvantage.

I was just thinking the same thing. This seems to hurt the UK fighters, who tf is up at 4am training?

 

[Sham5916910]

Do the thinking for me:

- Usually, people traveling from USA to England have to worry about the time difference.
- UFC 204 starts in the AM, and the main event or main card is supposed to start at 5am from what I've heard.
- Several Europeans, like Gegard Mousasi, are adjusting their sleep schedule to fit the late start time.
- Both Bisping and Henderson live in USA, and are flying to England where they'll fight at 5am or later. Neither guy has the advantage here, imo.
- Does fighting at 5am in England help or not help someone from USA? If they started at a normal time in England, I'd assume a fighter from USA would be at a slight disadvantage.

Its too late for me to correlate!

 

[Sham5916910]

I was just thinking the same thing. This seems to hurt the UK fighters, who tf is up at 4am training?

Any brit who is fighting if they have sense

 

[Sham5916910]

Moose itd -120 skybet

 

[MidgardSerpent]

Mousasi itd went from -150 to -305. I mean, like, whoa that's pretty steep.

Right now I don't really like any bet on that fight as it is.

 

[AffectEffect]

Silva is not a wrestler hes a bjj guy. Silva is bottom level whether it was close or not. If memory serves me right it could have gone either way. How do you know he has made huge grappling improvements? His tdd has improved but his grappling im not sure. Out grappling waters means nothing to me he is not ufc level. Waters even had some success scoring a few takedowns.

Tumenov was exposed by gunnar dude the best grappler in the division bar maia. Edwards taking down waters and out grappling him does not mean he is doing the same to tumnov. Waters is awful. This will be a stand up fight Edwards is not taking Tumenov down and out grappling waters like i said does not mean he is out grappling tumenov.

Edwards does not have more power where the hell is this coming from. In 5 ufc fights he has 1 ko win over someone who had been ko'd in 2 of his previous 4 fights. Tumenov ko'd iron jawed jouban, he is the only man to ko lapsley in 30 fights and hes the only person to ko dwyer (dwyers other ko loss was a slam).

I took tumenov as fodder against jouban at about this price so im loving this price. Edwards is being well overrated he is 3-2 in the ufc and he did not look spectacular in fights he should have if he is going to beat tumenov. The way he beat pawlak and waters two awful fighters was very uninspiring. He has potential does edwards but tumenov is the real deal. Big red flag is doing his camp at a lame gym in birmingham too for the hardest fight of his career

If you don't think Edwards grappling has improved, then you are completely biased. I know you are new to this sport, but when guys make improvements to their game you see it in their fights. Watch edwards take waters back in the transitions and if you can't see the improvements in his skills then you are blind.

One thing you need to learn is that putting juiced favorites in parlays is a terrible idea, I have watched you do it for months, one thing you said a few months ago "I don't make parlays that don't pay out better thank +100" made me laugh out loud. Parlays are the exact same thing as a straight bet, they are just chained together. The term "parlay fodder" is used by someone who is green. When you are betting thousands of dollars on juiced faves, I don't think you have ANY idea how many units could be riding on a juiced fave in the final leg of a parlay. It's not "parlay fodder", in the end leg of these parlays you have SO MUCH riding on a juiced line, it actually exposes you more than if you were betting them at moderate sizes straight.

For someone who didn't know who Will Brooks is, you should learn more about mma gambling and basic theory before acting so cocky.

 

[Joseph Budden]

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[MacPherson911]

does Bektic have an opponent yet? I sure hope they don't cancel his fight.

 

[Ukram]

I mentioned the same thing about Edwards improved grappling, its the same point thedawg mentioned but its not the style imo that could give tumenov issues well not yet anyhow, if you see his improved grappling his top control came from trips, transitions and stuffed take downs, if edwards shoots for a take down and actually wrestles I reckon tumenovs take down defence holds or he gets back to his feet, edwards is no ji jitsu champ.

I reckon edwards goes back to what he feels best here in striking, he does not have to worry about tumenov the wrestler turning up. Course if edwards shows his grappling early in r1 then live betting just got a whole lot interesting.

 

[Sham5916910]

If you don't think Edwards grappling has improved, then you are completely biased. I know you are new to this sport, but when guys make improvements to their game you see it in their fights. Watch edwards take waters back in the transitions and if you can't see the improvements in his skills then you are blind.

One thing you need to learn is that putting juiced favorites in parlays is a terrible idea, I have watched you do it for months, one thing you said a few months ago "I don't make parlays that don't pay out better thank +100" made me laugh out loud. Parlays are the exact same thing as a straight bet, they are just chained together. The term "parlay fodder" is used by someone who is green. When you are betting thousands of dollars on juiced faves, I don't think you have ANY idea how many units could be riding on a juiced fave in the final leg of a parlay. It's not "parlay fodder", in the end leg of these parlays you have SO MUCH riding on a juiced line, it actually exposes you more than if you were betting them at moderate sizes straight.

For someone who didn't know who Will Brooks is, you should learn more about mma gambling and basic theory before acting so cocky.

Edwards out grappling waters means nothing as i said waters is terrible and not ufc quality.

New to the sport? Dont try and mug me off. I went to ufc 38 in london pal

Betting juiced favourites is not everyone's cup of tea agreed but ive been doing it years and my br is huge because of it life changing huge. Just cos santos and smolka wet the bed in concurrent weeks does not mean it doesnt work (i didnt bet smolka fwiw). And if you have watched me do it for months you have seen how successful it is for me. Thanks for your suggestion but i will stick to what has won me a shitload of money and thats juiced favs parlayed

I dont know brooks cos i dont watch bellator i have a job and family i dont have time to watch mma all day.

Im not being cocky im expressing an opinion. I think you are crazy to think he will outgrapple tumenov cos he managed to do it to waters despite water having some grappling success himself and waters being terrible

Member since june 2016? Troll. Jog on boy

 

[EzFlyer]

Mousasi itd went from -150 to -305. I mean, like, whoa that's pretty steep.

Right now I don't really like any bet on that fight as it is.

Geez. I think it was decent around -150.. now it's absurd

 

[Ukram]

What ever works for you in this game I say go for it

 

[AffectEffect]

Edwards out grappling waters means nothing as i said waters is terrible and not ufc quality.

New to the sport? Dont try and mug me off. I went to ufc 38 in london pal

Betting juiced favourites is not everyone's cup of tea agreed but ive been doing it years and my br is huge because of it life changing huge. Just cos santos and smolka wet the bed in concurrent weeks does not mean it doesnt work (i didnt bet smolka fwiw). And if you have watched me do it for months you have seen how successful it is for me. Thanks for your suggestion but i will stick to what has won me a shitload of money and thats juiced favs parlayed

I dont know brooks cos i dont watch bellator i have a job and family i dont have time to watch mma all day.

Im not being cocky im expressing an opinion. I think you are crazy to think he will outgrapple tumenov cos he managed to do it to waters despite water having some grappling success himself and waters being terrible

Member since june 2016? Troll. Jog on boy

Call me a troll and a boy all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you are dead wrong. Edwards grappling has improved, shit he went to AKA to improve it.

We have 2 good strikers fighting each other, it is really important to look at how the grappling will play out. If you want to close your eyes to that part of the fight and blindly bet chalked up favorites then go on ahead NOOB. Maybe other capers here want to handicap how the grappling will play out? It is an important part of the fight.