UFC 164 only did 270k PPV buys

[Sopapo]

Off topic some what but I just read that pettis only made $70k for this fight and that's including submission of the night $50k and a $10k win bonus. Seriously speaking, that's a f* cking joke!!! Idc if that's more money then a regular bs 9-5 for a whole year or what ever you wanna say to defend this crap. I swear to god I would make my son stick to Boxing then do MMA if he ever came to me asking if he could switch. I'm sorry I know there is a chance to renegotiate and get more when the time comes but come on guys.... This is pathetic. $10k if you fight and don't get the win or snatch a fight of the night bonus. That's ridiculous. Anthony Pettis is on the same level or maybe even then a guy like Danny Garcia is not a ppv star it well known and he just made 1.5 million. The guy he fought Matthysse brought home 800k. I know boxing has been around longer and all but UFC needs to step the pay up.

Matthysse style is exciting as hell. Any fan would know he makes so little cause he is from Argentina. If he was from mexico or the usa he would be making triple

 

[Mikedh]

Matthysse style is exciting as hell. Any fan would know he makes so little cause he is from Argentina. If he was from mexico or the usa he would be making triple

If Lucas was Mexican/PR/DR person he would be enormous. Same with Sergio. Both could be PPV draws.

 

[Sopapo]

If Lucas was Mexican/PR/DR person he would be enormous. Same with Sergio. Both could be PPV draws.

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[markg171]

That is actually across eight events for the UFC.

You are not comparing it to boxing though, just Floyd. Because nothing else made it to PPV. Canelo and Guerrero have never headlined a PPV outside of when they were fighting Floyd. The UFC shows feature a bunch of different fighters and boxing is just Floyd this year. I don't think that is entirely indicative of what boxing does on PPV compared to MMA. It's more like what Floyd does.

It's 9 PPVs. There's been 10 this year so far and we don't know how Gus/Jones did. That makes it 9 we have data for.

1. 156
2. 157
3. 158
4. 159
5. 160
6. 161
7. 162
8. 163
9. 164
10. 165

Also, it's not my fault if the only boxing PPVs this year have been Floyd. Now had there been other, less superstars in PPVs this year, yeah the total number would be different but you don't get to just discount the fact that it's only that high because it's Floyd. That'd be like discounting GSP's PPVs because he's GSP and draws high numbers. They drew the numbers for their sport and need to be included

 

[Mau]

It's a low number. I don't think you can deny that. It's nothing to get excited about

I don't expect every card to do over 500k, but 300k should be the minimum for a card to have been at least partially successful

And this 300K you pulled form where? Your ass?

What you "think" it's successful, may be much more than they think.

You don't know shit, dude. This boxing ppv vs ufc ppv is old.

 

[LightweightKing**]

Matthysse style is exciting as hell. Any fan would know he makes so little cause he is from Argentina. If he was from mexico or the usa he would be making triple

Yeah I agree but there's more Mexicans and Puerto Ricans here in the USA that support the fighters then Argentines.

 

[Fight Professor]

I think that has a lot to do with Bens decision streak.
That was the last fight he was in that was finisbed since when?
Wec days? Cerrone? Henderson was a boring unpopular champ.

I do not see Pettis getting much better PPV numbers unless there are other big fights on the card.

 

[PaulRFC53]

The Fad is over. UFC has its core fans and thats it.

I remember when that moron Joe Rogan tried to make it seem like the UFC is "SWALLOWING" box.

Box still sells millions of PPVs and their numbers are OFFICIAL and their fighters get paid more.

Rogan is an idiot.

Yes because a Benson Henderson PPV could only get around 300k means that the UFC was a fad. You are obviously pretty insecure about boxing considering you are still annoyed by something Rogan said like 7 years ago.

You cant compare boxing vs UFC on PPV because they are structured completely different. Floyd sells PPVs but its hardly something to brag about because he is bigger than the entire sport. He is his own category basically.

And what is official about the numbers they release? what was the official number for May vs Guerrero? that's still not out. Arum always lies about numbers so don't come out with that bullshit.

 

[Face Stab]

A 42% increase from a shit number to another shit number, doesn't change the fact that your increased number is still shit.

The UFC is banking on lower average buys by making up for it with an increase in total produced product. At this point, a bassic look at how many cards they are selling this year versus how many they sold, for example, three years ago, total gross revenue has increased dramatically.


Basically, no, with significanlty more PPVs, they won't be able to pull as high of numbers for each indivisual one due to consumption fatigue. But they offset that with volume.

 

[PaulRFC53]

The UFC is banking on lower average buys by making up for it with an increase in total produced product. At this point, a bassic look at how many cards they are selling this year versus how many they sold, for example, three years ago, total gross revenue has increased dramatically.


Basically, no, with significanlty more PPVs, they won't be able to pull as high of numbers for each indivisual one due to consumption fatigue. But they offset that with volume.

Not to mention 100 million a year from FOX.

Which is basically the equivalent 1.7 million PPV buys at $60 a pop. Im pretty sure 50% goes to the PPV provider too so an extra 100 million is like 3.4 million PPV buys to the UFC when it comes to revenue.

 

[MilesAbove]

Assuming $50 ppv buys and a 50/50 split for PPV revenue is as follows:
2010: $211,500,000
2011: $146,750,000
2012: $145,875,000

What's missing? The number of total events.
2010: 23
2011: 26
2012: 30

So there revenue-to-shows average intake, you ask?
2010: $9,195,652
2011: $5,644,230 (39ish% drop from 2010)
2012: $4,862,500 (48ish% drop from 2010)

Not great, UFC. Not great.

 

[Jibsta69]

Can't really be suprised. BJ Penn was the only guy in that division that could draw buys.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

bring brock back

 

[odog]

Assuming $50 ppv buys and a 50/50 split for PPV revenue is as follows:
2010: $211,500,000
2011: $146,750,000
2012: $145,875,000

What's missing? The number of total events.
2010: 23
2011: 26
2012: 30

So there revenue-to-shows average intake, you ask?
2010: $9,195,652
2011: $5,644,230 (39ish% drop from 2010)
2012: $4,862,500 (48ish% drop from 2010)

Not great, UFC. Not great.

You know Fox is paying them $100,000,000 a year right?

 

[MilesAbove]

Honestly, the UFC has reached past the point of "We need to make sure people respect us, so hide your personality and NO intro awesomeness."

They need to embrace evolution. You have hespect from other sports and legitimacy. Bring in the giant drums and cool intros. Laugh if you want but they filled arenas and part of that had to do with the personalities.

You know Fox is paying them $100,000,000 a year right?

I don't think you understand how the money is allocated, nor the actual amount being funded...... or my argument for that matter. It's about interest from fans, not about the actual bottom line per say.

 

[PaulRFC53]

Assuming $50 ppv buys and a 50/50 split for PPV revenue is as follows:
2010: $211,500,000
2011: $146,750,000
2012: $145,875,000

What's missing? The number of total events.
2010: 23
2011: 26
2012: 30

So there revenue-to-shows average intake, you ask?
2010: $9,195,652
2011: $5,644,230 (39ish% drop from 2010)
2012: $4,862,500 (48ish% drop from 2010)

Not great, UFC. Not great.

But you are comparing PPV revenue and then including it with shows that are not on PPV.

2010: 16 PPV events generating $211,500,000

2012: 13 PPV events generating $145,875,000


Average revenue-to-show intake

2010: $13,218,750

2012: $11,221,153



In 2012 they had 18 events on FOX, FX and Fuel which they get paid $100,000,000 + event gate.

So on average they got around $5,500,000 + Gate for every free event and $11,221,153 + Gate for every PPV event. That is if we are ignoring every other revenue stream like sponsors etc and only going on PPV, tickets and TV deals.

 

[odog]

I don't think you understand how the money is allocated, nor the actual amount being funded...... or my argument for that matter.

Well someone here has a lack of understanding. The guy above gets it.

 

[MilesAbove]

But you are comparing PPV revenue and then including it with shows that are not on PPV.

2010: 16 PPV events generating $211,500,000

2012: 13 PPV events generating $145,875,000


Average revenue-to-show intake

2010: $13,218,750

2012: $11,221,153



In 2012 they had 18 events on FOX, FX and Fuel which they get paid $100,000,000 + event gate.

So on average they got around $5,500,000 + Gate for every free event and $11,221,153 + Gate for every PPV event. That is if we are ignoring every other revenue stream like sponsors etc and only going on PPV, tickets and TV deals.

You're right, that part is on me because I didn't specify the point of those numbers... being to vague always gets you. But we'll need to add in cost of events and payment to fighters for each of these other shows.

We'll also have to reeeeaaaaalllly start to understand how this $100,000,000 is used and absorbed. It very much is not just money handed to the UFC. The moment the UFC's numbers consistently dip, that injection: Which more often goes to them receiving theoretical ad revenue based upon buys.... that's gone. Corporations often call it "Reasonably projected revenue". Your supposed ads as hypothesized from general viewership rates dictate the amount handed to the party. The UFC got it's numbers based off 2010 totals.... we're now seeing 2012 totals.



I'm out here in Vegas and the business/industry is not doing as well as the UFC would like everyone to think. It's not dead, and it's not like its falling completely apart.

 

[Mad Villain]

Lmfao these are hilarious. Idk how I never seen em

 

[JudontknowMMA]

Not to mention June to August (outside of the big 4th of July PPVs) basically constitute the MMA offseason of sorts. Shows are always down around those times.

This a joke? The order of cards lately has been dictated by the UFC on fs1 deal. Last year there were 9 events scheduled between June and the end of August...

5 ppv's one cancelled
4 free tv shows including a UFC on fox
3 events in may alone since we're counting