International U.S. to ban Chinese Purchases of US Farmland due to National Security Concerns.

[Deleted member 592570]

On its face I'm fine with no other countries owning any of our land but I don't know enough about countries' policy like this to know what's normal/benign and not so I don't have a strong opinion. Noteworthy from the article, that I'm not sure how many posting here actually read, however, is this:

The 25-page criminal complaint does not allege that the defendants – who investigators say were in a relationship – had any plans to spread the fungus beyond the laboratory. But it says Liu was aware of the restrictions on the material and deliberately hid it in a wad of tissues in his backpack.

“This type of smuggling is actually rare,” Dr. Donell Harvin, former chief of homeland security for the District of Columbia, told CNN. “Most of the time we see these cases, it’s a researcher exfiltrating or trying to remove information or materials outside the US from their research.” Still, Harvin warned that a pathogen like Fusarium is extremely dangerous. “It doesn’t matter whether the person had good intentions,” he said. “If there’s some type of mistake, or mishap, or release, that could have catastrophic consequences.”

It sounds like smuggling stuff to study isn't unprecedented and thus not necessarily a nefarious plot though obviously, shit like this needs to be stopped as it's very dangerous, regardless.

There's also a shit load of military bases in the US so again, while it sounds sketchy that they've bought farmland near US bases I question what that actually means and though I definitely think the government should keep an eye on it and have a comprehensive approval process if its going to allow this, I'm not jumping to conclusions, though China does play the long game because they are actually forward thinking.

I do, however, disagree with revoking student visas. This is a source of income for the US and I believe xenophobes fail to realize that people wanting to come here as either immigrants or students is a good thing, that means we have something to offer, not to mention they contribute here culturally and economically contrary to what the opposition says. This is a good thing. Isolationism will only weaken us. The world is connected and we benefit from those connections and contributions.

'It sounds good, but I can't give Trump credit for anything.'

 

[deviake]

'It sounds good, but I can't give Trump credit for anything.'

You are a simple minded moron

 

[HockeyBjj]

this map is a bit sensational and it seems like the chinese own a LOT, and they might, I'm just trying to figure out what is the meaning of the map, is it to suggest that the chinese own a piece of land in these areas, are they the majority owners in these areas, do they own technical farmland and not other zonings?

I think the map is showing all the counties that a Chinese person owns farmland in

So it's very deliberately sensational. Them owning a 3k acre set of fields shouldn't have the whole 500 square mile county red lol. They also show US military bases as if to imply the Chinese are specifically buying farm land near bases.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

You are a simple minded moron

 

[Hog-train]

So you're saying they're going to school for free, not interacting with anyone, not contributing to the local economy where they're living? And they're thieves too, interesting. I'm sure you apply that standard to Americans abroad too.

The tuition can easily be replaced by students from any other country other than China. Most of the Chinese nationals doing this are trying to get into the Ivy's.

I only care about China - they're actively our enemies. Chinese students have been caught spying, doing CCP dirtywork, and now those students trying to smuggle in a bioweapon. Remember that Trump is only banning students “with connections to the Chinese Communist Party or studying in critical fields” and revising its “visa criteria to enhance scrutiny of all future visa applications” for students from China and Hong Kong.

Chinese students spying is definitely a thing. Yea I think I'm comfortable saying fuck China.

Stanford is a case study in how Beijing infiltrates U.S. universities

“Stanford is in the heart of Silicon Valley,” she added, “and that’s a huge incentive for China.”

"Johnson and Molloy interviewed Chinese nationals on campus who told them how the espionage works. “In conversations, Chinese students would report, ‘Every single week I’m asked to meet a handler where I’ll be asked to talk about the research I’m doing, the directions that research is going in, how that research is progressing and how we could reimplement that research back in China,’” Molloy said. If their handlers “have interest in, let’s say, [artificial intelligence] or quantum computing,” he said, “they will then reach out to that student and ask them to provide documents, internal memos, methodologies, future directions of the research.”

“At Stanford, students who refused to hand over certain documents had their family taken to police stations in China,” Molloy told me, adding, “if you do not comply with the national intelligence law, your family back in China is under threat. Therefore, students have a very strong incentive to do exactly what the party says.”

Nearly half of Chinese students are pursuing advanced degrees. Many graduate students are sponsored by state-backed vehicles, such as the China Scholarship Council, which the Chinese regime uses to recruit and pay tuition for Chinese students chosen to attend, and almost certainly spy on, U.S. universities.

 

[The XL]

We have a government openly owned by Israel, and we have a ton of land owned by China. Our government is objectively compromised. This is a good step in the right direction I guess. Now ban foreign lobbying, severely limit the amount of land our 'allies' can own and we'll be heading the right way

 

[deviake]

The tuition can easily be replaced by students from any other country other than China. Most of the Chinese nationals doing this are trying to get into the Ivy's.

I only care about China - they're actively our enemies. Chinese students have been caught spying, doing CCP dirtywork, and now those students trying to smuggle in a bioweapon.

Yea I think I'm comfortable saying fuck China.

There's no reason for them to be our enemies. I'm much more concerned with our allies like Israel and Saudi Arabia and our imperialist and at times genocidal foreign policy. China ain't doing that kind of dirt. Our short sightedness and hostility will ensure they surpass us. They're just another boogey man for the MIC.

 

[Stoic1]

They also show US military bases as if to imply the Chinese are specifically buying farm land near bases.

They are.

Unless you are the sort of person who believes that those balloons flying across our country and targeting our military bases were just gathering weather data.

 

[SandisLL]

Is there a good reason we should get rid of all of them that doesn't involve the worship of farmland and views foreigners as unnecessarily polluting our land? You are aware that the US produces a surplus of food and that we are on average, fat as fuck?

There is big difference because fat or not fat primary depends on lifestyle and health +physical workload guy does have. For example athlete or serious hobbyist during intense physical workload might not gain in weight even if will use 2x more than average office specialist ..the same calories etc...
If you sit in cubicle and don't have physical workload .....be this gym or hard work activities, then ofc...

Pollution is miniscule stuff there.
If foreigners owns mortgage and / or land, maybe they are doing this just for pure profit etc.
However some countries like China, Russia, North Korea etc heavily monitoring their rich citizens .. ..Belarus too.
And they might be under huge impact from their KGB ....blakcmail... threats to deal with relatives if you will not follow orders etc.

For example KGB had old and well tested really working methods to tie ppl they needs to subjugate.

Scenario with different provocations in order to get documented evidence against you and then offer to sign bunch of papers in exchange not to get protocols registered in police etc ....

Common method, called in russia folk method is....for example you have young guy, maybe his family does have $ or he is fresh and fit for special operation.
Police caught him with some drugs...ofc they even might sneak in something.
After this ask $ or sign up for small special operaration. In exchange protocols will not get registered and 0 criminal case.
It is 40 y.o plus old flowchart.
Also ofc might be offered to sign application and form you as KGB informant. You will have file and personal case registered as informant for KGB and sign a lot of papers...
It is also huge tool for blackmail in your future.

Canadians are more about just to earn $ profit from investments ...americans in Canada the same.

While ppl from China, North Korea, Russia : often are under their KGB like till ears in mud.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

They're buying like crazy in europe too. same MO, near-ish military bases, near strategic infrastructure, near industrial plants, putting up wind farms, etc.

it's a multi-vector approach - one gets a foot in and if some info should fall into their laps, all the better, but more importantly i think it's the recycling of chinese assets into better long term investments in euro and american real estate. a lot of it it's not even governmental, it's straight up billionaires parking their wealth outside the country. they're the ones spending 100 mil on some penthouse in manhattan and never even go there.

 

[Cole train]

They're buying like crazy in europe too. same MO, near-ish military bases, near strategic infrastructure, near industrial plants, putting up wind farms, etc.

it's a multi-vector approach - one gets a foot in and if some info should fall into their laps, all the better, but more importantly i think it's the recycling of chinese assets into better long term investments in euro and american real estate. a lot of it it's not even governmental, it's straight up billionaires parking their wealth outside the country. they're the ones spending 100 mil on some penthouse in manhattan and never even go there.

Tbf their ordinary citizens are hustling as well it seems

Just had news yesterday here that chinese immigrants start a large amount of businesses relative to their amount around these parts

 

[PBAC]

China have bought out a lot of the Dutch housing market already too.

Some of the shit in the Hague is hard to believe like a known illegal Chinese police station for catching runaways but acts as a defacto police station. Imagine a rival country being allowed operate their own police station in another state.

 

[Yehudim]

They're buying like crazy in europe too. same MO, near-ish military bases, near strategic infrastructure, near industrial plants, putting up wind farms, etc.

it's a multi-vector approach - one gets a foot in and if some info should fall into their laps, all the better, but more importantly i think it's the recycling of chinese assets into better long term investments in euro and american real estate. a lot of it it's not even governmental, it's straight up billionaires parking their wealth outside the country. they're the ones spending 100 mil on some penthouse in manhattan and never even go there.

People from countries with shitty financial systems will gladly buy an overpriced piece of real estate for $100 million if it means they get to sell it for $50 million in the event that the government seizes all their wealth or the country collapses.

It isn’t exactly healthy for the host country because when done in excess, it can drive up the prices like in Canada, but that’s also just free tax money too.

 

[AtomicPanther]

Can they eminent domain the land and toss them out?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

You are a simple minded moron

Anyone can write long, wordy posts.

The fact I can take your long, wordy posts and boil them down to a single sentence is actually a sign that I am smarter than you and also a better communicator.

I can see through your fillibustering bullshit.

 

[The XL]

Can they eminent domain the land and toss them out?

They could, but government only puts its boot on the neck of ordinary citizens, not governments or giant corporations.

 

[Kassitus]

Add their purchase of land to their attempts to smuggle extremely harmful fungus into our country.



These two aliens have been charged with smuggling a fungus that has been described as a 'potential agroterrorism weapon' into the heartland of America.

China Asshole. Fuck them.

It's a trial run for whatever the bat lady is cooking up. Last i checked they were playing with the DNA of smallpox related diseases.

 

[GhostZ06]

Washington Post: U.S. to ban Chinese purchases of farmland, citing national security

Trump is set to do an executive order banning China from buying up anymore US farmland. This is in the wake of China already buying up 19 strategic locations next to US military bases.

In addition, 2 Chinese PHD scientists have been recently arrested for smuggling in a biological pathogen that would devastate our farmland and livestock. This is potential eco-terrorism.

As a response, Trump is also looking into revoking the student visas from China - especially in areas of high sensitivity. This is a major escalation with Beijing, but necessary IMO.

This is in stark contrast to Gavin Newsom who vetoed a passed bipartisan bill that prohibited foreign governments from buying up California farmland. Newsom got heavy criticism from liberal California lawmakers. Newsom obviously sold out somehow. Why else would he go against his own party to allow China and other countries from buying up California land?

They should and then sell it back to Americans

 

[SandisLL]

To be clear, that post I made was specifically in reference to removing ALL foreign control over our farmland. I think it’s a no-brainer to put heavy restrictions on Chinese investment, specifically on stuff like buying land near bases, and I’m not very bothered at outright blocking them from buying agricultural land.

I just don’t see why we have to extend that to everyone else.

I think that Trump had meaning about chinesse companies and chinesse citizens.
These often are under close supervision of china's communist party and KGB and this is reality.
Also if someone had been naturalized as chinesse, russian or North Korean citizen he had signed oath for this country.

If chinesse never had lived in China and doesn't have their citizenship and didn't had this there are lesser chances that such person had signed legal binding agreements with KGB or had expressed oath....
So risk is lesser ofc.

 

[GhostZ06]

this should have done multiple times over. And the farms should have bean seized by the military of US government an then sold.


Finally someone good from the administration