Social U of T Professor Attcks PC Culture, Rejects Genderless Pronouns and the Black Liberation Collective

[Viva]

B A S E D

Although he'll probably be out of a job before too long given his stance.

 

[Ayin]

this is a very interesting event, but more for what's not being talked aboit here.

According to his interview on the CBC, one of his main concerns with pushing so hard so fast from the interest groups on the left is that it could awaken "the Beast" that is mostly laying dormant on the right (which he assures us has claws and implies is dangerous and potentially violent). He seems more worried about "ugly" reaponses from a silent group on the Right than any true harm coming from the Left (tbough he does believe such loose/vaguely worded legislation is far to open to future abuse).

 

[SammyPops]

Hmmm...

"That disturbs me because if someone asked me to get ethics approval for my research, I think I am agreeing that I am sufficiently unethical to need prior approval of my research."

Nope, argument doesn't check out.

I took an anti-racism anti -oppression training and I found it quite interesting and learned a few things. I too do not get his issue here

 

[dontsnitch]

B A S E D

Although he'll probably be out of a job before too long given his stance.

I'm surprised he's still there, not sure if he has tenure. It should be noted that there is at least one Trans professor on campus. It's a lonely battlefield for him.

 

[dontsnitch]

I took an anti-racism anti -oppression training and I found it quite interesting and learned a few things. I too do not get his issue here

I think a fitting question is if you would take the course again, and why not?

 

[Vitamin C]

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...-refuses-to-use-genderless-pronouns-1.3786144

Here is his interview with CBC's As It Happens. This is the only interview in years of listening that any host has lost it with the guest. She snaps at him for interrupting. Lost some respect for her when I heard this tbh.

She snaps around 9:45.

"CO: Isn't it also the role of a society to make people feel included and to have inclusiveness?

JP: No. It's not the role of society to make people feel included. That's not the role of society. The role of society is to maintain a modicum of peace between people. It's not the role of society to make people feel comfortable."

I agree with his definition of society.

 

[klnOmega]

I have a feeling he'll be in the unemployment line soon.

Even if he acts like a saint, there will be a student of his that complains about some inconsequential thing at some point and they will use it as an excuse to fire him.

 

[IDL]

This is sort of like a professor in the Soviet Union going against Marxism-Leninism state ideology.

Takes balls to challenge the prevailing orthodoxy. There will probably be people wanting him gone.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...s-in-video-refuses-to-use-genderless-pronouns

Jordan Peterson (who is a white male! - the article ensures that we know this) is objecting to the Trudeau's Bill C-16, which proposes to outlaw harassment and discrimination based on gender identity and gender expression. He decries what he claims are attempts by the university to transform its human resources department into “a politically correct institution.”





He went public after receiving a memo outlining new mandatory anti-racist and anti-bias training.



He continues saying he is concerned the university is consulting groups like the Black Liberation Collective on campus policy matters, noting he respects their right to exist and protest, but questioning their credentials to offer expert opinion.



Needless to say, he's not the most popular person right now. You don't hear about many people in such institutions standing up to PC culture like this. He has a lecture in the link which sparked all of this.

I agree with most of what he is saying, except for his issue with anti-bias training (if it is truly anti-bias training, which is doubtful).

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Needless to say, he's not the most popular person right now. You don't hear about many people in such institutions standing up to PC culture like this. He has a lecture in the link which sparked all of this.

I believe most people on college campuses side with him, and it's really an issue of contending with a vocal minority.

 

[dontsnitch]

I agree with most of what he is saying, except for his issue with anti-bias training (if it is truly anti-bias training, which is doubtful).

This one is debatable, I admit. I think it's more of an issue of how they're going about it and the language they're using as opposed to him actually disagreeing with the tenets of this program.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

Peterson has an interesting intellectual history for a psychologist. He's got a lecture series on YouTube about Personality Psychology (which briefly covers gender from what I can tell) and a book and lecture series about the psychology of "meaning". Those interests seem to mingle somewhat with a political psychology as he's done some work on the personalities that intersected with the sociocultural climate of the Holocaust. He also seems to be religious and took part in this really interesting debate about the "sacred" which was posted in 2011, where he frequently invokes evolutionary biology and describes himself as a clinician and neuroscientist:



Don't usually see all that expressed by one person lol.

 

[Vitamin C]

Part of his objection also seems to be that he disagrees with people having an unquestionably certainty about their own personal issues.

I don't disagree with that either. I'm surprised at the current clinical landscape of just taking peoples word for what they need as gospel.
An oncologist wouldn't just ask his patients if they have cancer then start them up on chemotherapy.

Peterson as a clinician wants to be sure that people who are confused or deluded about their identity get proper assessment and treatment. If even only 1 out of 10 people who think they might be/are trans actually aren't and would benefit from a less intrusive, life changing approach to treatment than full transition, it would be well worth slowing down on the normalization/encouragement of transitioning. And honestly I do suspect that is probably more like 6 in 10.

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

Good. We need more professors like this in universities.

He will get his pink slip soon.

 

[dontsnitch]

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...-refuses-to-use-genderless-pronouns-1.3786144

Here is his interview with CBC's As It Happens. This is the only interview in years of listening that any host has lost it with the guest. She snaps at him for interrupting. Lost some respect for her when I heard this tbh.

She snaps around 9:45.

"CO: Isn't it also the role of a society to make people feel included and to have inclusiveness?

JP: No. It's not the role of society to make people feel included. That's not the role of society. The role of society is to maintain a modicum of peace between people. It's not the role of society to make people feel comfortable."

I agree with his definition of society.

Fantastic little talk. Well worth the 13 minutes.

No wonder nobody wants to debate him.

 

[Broken arrow]

I want to seek out professors like this for my kids when they're looking at colleges

 

[Stoic1]

He won't last a month. PC academia is like the Borg.

 

[IDL]

 

[QuitYourCrying]

Fantastic little talk. Well worth the 13 minutes.

No wonder nobody wants to debate him.

He did very well. But to be fair, the woman he was "debating" was shooting blanks. Most radical social leftists wilt when presented with any degree of logic, reasoning or evidence. Their entire strategy is a) the feels and b) bullying, threats and intimidation. They have nothing else. They are similar to the religion in that way. The SJWs should be viewed as modern western religious fanatics. They seek to impose heresy laws to ban all dissent against their new religion.

 

[IDL]

^ That's actually a pretty entertaining video. Good discussion getting into the psychology of the radical left and political correctness and what's going on in universities.