Tyson Fury's cousin stabbed to death.

[mozfonky]

Whats the whole story? He was stabbed in the neck? OK, why?

I would presume it's over stupid shit. Most of the time, that's exactly what it is, especially when it's younger people. Places where booze, men trying to impress women are about the most dangerous places in peacetime society.

Heard about a fella getting shot who worked with a customer of mine, never heard what it was about or any of that, but I told him, "probably over stupid shit". They say we're more peaceful today statistically but I would argue with some of that. Maybe we aren't killing each other the way we used to but the reasons we do it are probably more senseless. Also, in the news recently, an old guy got out of his car and approached another car that wouldn't let him merge, he was shot and killed. The shooter is in jail as he should be but, hate to say it, the old guy met him halfway. He coulda just sat his ass down in his car and just went on his way. And if we're honest, we've all lost our cool plenty of times in those situations so I'm not being high and mighty.

 

[mozfonky]

Every really hot summer in the world brings more violent crime, fun fact

it absolutely does, people come out of their abodes and all that attitude and violence comes with them. I don't get it myself, if I could never go out or go out only a couple times a week I'd be cool.

 

[mozfonky]

That’s possibly why he got a knife pulled on him? In my experience most people that carry knives can’t fight for shit; That’s their leveller!

That's very true, I knew a mechanic who told me he'd been to prison for stabbing, he didn't seem to be a bad, violent guy, he was very small framed though and he just seemed like he thought he had no other way to protect himself. I didn't know him that well, so maybe he had another side. He ended up getting stabbed to death by his own brother over something. Seemed like a nice guy but shit starts and gets out of hand real easy.

 

[laz0001]

It's a lot harder to stop knife crime than it is to stop gun crime - since you can pretty much stab someone to death with a fucking breadknife off your nan's table.

 

[mozfonky]

It's a lot harder to stop knife crime than it is to stop gun crime - since you can pretty much stab someone to death with a fucking breadknife off your nan's table.

ya, knives are everywhere and necessary for everyone for something or other. I'd say though, that our police could learn a lot from how britain deals with unhinged knife wielders.

 

[jm0b]

It's a lot harder to stop knife crime than it is to stop gun crime - since you can pretty much stab someone to death with a fucking breadknife off your nan's table.

By the time you've fixed the larger socio economic problems that lead to stabbing, eg poverty and low status males, access to the tools for stabbing is a minor issue.

You don't see middle aged, middle classed men stabbing each other. They do other crime instead.

Criminality just changes based on where you are in society. The lower down you are the more likely it's overtly and physically violent

 

[mozfonky]

By the time you've fixed the larger socio economic problems that lead to stabbing, eg poverty and low status males, access to the tools for stabbing is a minor issue.

You don't see middle aged, middle classed men stabbing each other. They do other crime instead.

Criminality just changes based on where you are in society. The lower down you are the more likely it's overtly and physically violent

"Low status" definitely has a lot to do with it, I've said it many times, these assholes who've convinced themselves that they were somehow shorted and that they are just as good as anyone cause no end of troubles. The age factor, I know it's been said that young men are more violent and I have to accept that but I seen no shortage of people well up in age doing crazy shit. The old man I mentioned above was 68, hopping out of his car to show some 38 year old punk a thing or two, and now he's dead.

Personally, I just find myself wondering how to avoid it as much as possible and it doesn't seem easy these days. My city is overrun with homeless, angry, crazed people and I have to drive for a living so of course there will be problems. I really need another gig soon for a lot of reasons, not just that one.

 

[jm0b]

"Low status" definitely has a lot to do with it, I've said it many times, these assholes who've convinced themselves that they were somehow shorted and that they are just as good as anyone cause no end of troubles. The age factor, I know it's been said that young men are more violent and I have to accept that but I seen no shortage of people well up in age doing crazy shit. The old man I mentioned above was 68, hopping out of his car to show some 38 year old punk a thing or two, and now he's dead.

Personally, I just find myself wondering how to avoid it as much as possible and it doesn't seem easy these days. My city is overrun with homeless, angry, crazed people and I have to drive for a living so of course there will be problems. I really need another gig soon for a lot of reasons, not just that one.

I'm poorly paraphrasing great sociologists and psychologists here but...

Men need hierarchies and power structures to know their place and understand how to socialise with other people, but particularly with other males.

Some subscribe to society's power structures of education & vocation.

But some men, and this is particularly prevalent for young men from poor and broken homes, don't see the value in any of that compared to the power of violent and criminal men in their local areas. There are also issues to do with deferred and instant gratification that the effects poverty has on our perception of both which plays a role in the decision making.

And therefore a lot of young men in poor areas are attracted to the Hood lifestyle and its seeming excitement and glamour of the few at the top, but of course most end up dead in a ditch somewhere due to forming a career of sorts that deals with extremely violent people.

That's a summary of what I remember on a criminality module i did at school about 12 years ago.

 

[mozfonky]

I'm poorly paraphrasing great sociologists and psychologists here but...

Men need hierarchies and power structures to know their place and understand how to socialise with other people, but particularly with other males.

Some subscribe to society's power structures of education & vocation.

But some men, and this is particularly prevalent for young men from poor and broken homes, don't see the value in any of that compared to the power of violent and criminal men in their local areas. There are also issues to do with deferred and instant gratification that the effects poverty has on our perception of both which plays a role in the decision making.

And therefore a lot of young men in poor areas are attracted to the Hood lifestyle and its seeming excitement and glamour of the few at the top, but of course most end up dead in a ditch somewhere due to forming a career of sorts that deals with extremely violent people.

That's a summary of what I remember on a criminality module i did at school about 12 years ago.

I have a soc degree but I never agreed with much of what I was "taught". I'm sure there are many different reasons for the stupidity we see (mental issues, drug/alcohol issues,status issues) but my gut tells me that most of it is from seeing all the stuff everyone else has and feeling shortchanged. Part of my feeling is that I used to feel this way myself so I can understand it but I realized how foolish it was and how no one gives a shit and that it wasn't even really that bad not to have the things the rich people have. I've been around enough wealthy people to know how unhappy they are and see that it doesn't solve anything.

As far as hierarchies, I'm not a big believer in the "alpha" stuff, mainly because my people, the native americans, didn't much function like that. Yes, we had chiefs and leaders but if they didn't serve the tribe they didn't stay there long. Their job was to serve the tribe not themselves. In our society, the leader is all about himself and giving up as few crumbs as possible to all who serve him, different psychology.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

ya, knives are everywhere and necessary for everyone for something or other. I'd say though, that our police could learn a lot from how britain deals with unhinged knife wielders.

the problem is there is little consistency around carrying knives and stabbings over here. A old friend of mine got stabbed a few years back and the assailant got 18 months. This same friend already had a criminal record for assault, in which he got 3 years for knocking someone out. He hit them once, but as he was a boxer they made an example of him

another mate of mine was a bouncer at one of London’s most popular clubs. He got stabbed by a punter and proceeded to beat the shit out of him with his extendable torch. He got a year for affray and was told by the judge that he’d have got longer if his brief hadn’t had such a good job. He was lucky to only get a year, yet he got stabbed? How fucked up is that

imo if you get caught with a knife on you, with no good reason (other than possibly self defence, if you can prove it) you should get a mandatory sentence. If you’re caught with a gun over here you’re looking at 5 years. I’m not in favour of just locking people up, but there needs to be some sort of deterrent

 

[mozfonky]

If he got stabbed in the neck, it's very likely he got blindsided and didn't see it coming.

if it hit the carotid there would be no way to save him even if he was at the hospital when it happened. In watching footage of stabbings and shootings, it's crazy how fast a person can go to being able to function to being dead, even after wounded. Blood just shoots out of the body in many cases. In reading about stabbings a long time ago, I came to the conclusion that getting stabbed is about as bad or worse than getting shot. Reason being is that repeated stabs and maybe even just ripping someone wide open would be certain death. At least with guns there is the possibility of missing or hitting parts that won't kill a person. Another thing is, I've heard stories and seen vids of guys who didn't even know they were stabbed in the excitement.

 

[mozfonky]

the problem is there is little consistency around carrying knives and stabbings over here. A old friend of mine got stabbed a few years back and the assailant got 18 months. This same friend already had a criminal record for assault, in which he got 3 years for knocking someone out. He hit them once, but as he was a boxer they made an example of him

another mate of mine was a bouncer at one of London’s most popular clubs. He got stabbed by a punter and proceeded to beat the shit out of him with his extendable torch. He got a year for affray and was told by the judge that he’d have got longer if his brief hadn’t had such a good job. He was lucky to only get a year, yet he got stabbed? How fucked up is that

imo if you get caught with a knife on you, with no good reason (other than possibly self defence, if you can prove it) you should get a mandatory sentence. If you’re caught with a gun over here you’re looking at 5 years. I’m not in favour of just locking people up, but there needs to be some sort of deterrent

We have knife laws but knives are so essential for many people that they have them around for one reason or other. Recently, after a blowout with some homeless guy, I thought about what kind of weapon should I have because it's highly likely that someday, I'm gonna run into some loser who has something on him. I looked up knives, mace, tasers. Tasers might be the smartest choice and mace is good too, guns are pretty much guaranteed to be some problem even if you're justified. But with the way the police are now, there's no telling. The guy who shot the old man that I mentioned above, wasn't even detained after the event, 3 weeks later and after this old guys friends raised hell, they got him locked up. Just no telling, some people are fuzzy on their rights and just assume that if someone takes a step towards you, you can kill them, that only works for cops, not us. Also, who wants that on their conscience? I don't know if there is an afterlife or not but I don't need the bad karma.

 

[bjl12]

Take your assine political hack talk and your obsession with Shapiro, Jones, & Peterson to the War Room (All pundits which I dislike. But facts never matter in your simple head) . Weirdo, you mention them everyday in a boxing forum. It shows you are obsessed with them and consume them more than the alt-right.
You absolutely suck at politics. Stop forcing your extreme views down our throats in the boxing section clown.

STFU about my country & stay out of our rights and constitution. You could never understand it.
Would you tell Ukrainians they shouldn't have guns???
Criminals would still have guns despite laws dummy. I have a right to defend myself, family or property with what my constitutional rights tell me I can.
Stfu about dogs and martial arts. You watch too many movies. I also guarantee I know more about both than you ever could. I bred and trained PP dogs for decades. You sound dumb and out of touch with reality.

Jesus you are insecure. Talking tough on the internet dont convince nobody and actually makes you sound even more like the fraud that you are.

You can keep this Amerikkka. You think its patriotic or commendable for a minority to defend their rights or this kkkountry? Jesus...and youre telling others about being detached from reality? A literal case of walking cognitive dissonance.

Get help, brother. And surrender those guns...a lot of mental compensation going on there which reeks instability. Not trying to diss you but help is a strength and not a weakness

 

[aries]

the problem is there is little consistency around carrying knives and stabbings over here. A old friend of mine got stabbed a few years back and the assailant got 18 months. This same friend already had a criminal record for assault, in which he got 3 years for knocking someone out. He hit them once, but as he was a boxer they made an example of him

another mate of mine was a bouncer at one of London’s most popular clubs. He got stabbed by a punter and proceeded to beat the shit out of him with his extendable torch. He got a year for affray and was told by the judge that he’d have got longer if his brief hadn’t had such a good job. He was lucky to only get a year, yet he got stabbed? How fucked up is that

imo if you get caught with a knife on you, with no good reason (other than possibly self defence, if you can prove it) you should get a mandatory sentence. If you’re caught with a gun over here you’re looking at 5 years. I’m not in favour of just locking people up, but there needs to be some sort of deterrent

Yeah it's really inconsistent. Liam Nesson ('But what I do have are a very particular set of skills') was a teacher for a while. Some 15 year old scrote pulled a knife on him at school so he punched him. He lost his job as a result. I suppose he'd have been ok if he let the little shit bag stab him at least once before punching him.

 

[aries]

if it hit the carotid there would be no way to save him even if he was at the hospital when it happened. In watching footage of stabbings and shootings, it's crazy how fast a person can go to being able to function to being dead, even after wounded. Blood just shoots out of the body in many cases. In reading about stabbings a long time ago, I came to the conclusion that getting stabbed is about as bad or worse than getting shot. Reason being is that repeated stabs and maybe even just ripping someone wide open would be certain death. At least with guns there is the possibility of missing or hitting parts that won't kill a person. Another thing is, I've heard stories and seen vids of guys who didn't even know they were stabbed in the excitement.

Yeah major artery and you are fucked unless you are already in the hospital. Lee Murray was very lucky to survive after getting stabbed in the heart. He said he didn't even see realise he'd been stabbed until a few moments after.

I think it depends on the knife. A little pocket knife or a small prison shank you are probably going to survive even with a lot of small holes in you. Anything over 5 inches and the chances of it hitting a major organ or artery go way up. You are probably better off against a machete as they are more likely to chop and slash rather than stab you with it.

 

[treelo]

2 shooting within 24 hours of each other, both innocents, one being a 9 year old child

and a nan knifed to death for trying to break up a fight all within the same area

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-62648427

 

[Mickf]

Terribly sad a young man dieing like that over nothing most likely.
That said if u are from ireland or england and have been around travellers a decent amount. You would guess that it's fairly unlikely that this was an unprovocked attack.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Jesus you are insecure. Talking tough on the internet dont convince nobody and actually makes you sound even more like the fraud that you are.

You can keep this Amerikkka. You think its patriotic or commendable for a minority to defend their rights or this kkkountry? Jesus...and youre telling others about being detached from reality? A literal case of walking cognitive dissonance.

Get help, brother. And surrender those guns...a lot of mental compensation going on there which reeks instability. Not trying to diss you but help is a strength and not a weakness

I'm not your brother & you're not African American. You are a clown poser that knows nothing about my culture or my country.

My country elected a black man president. Has your shit hole country done that? If you have the guts to even say where you are from.

You legit sound like Ali G, Cheddar Bob, or any other low rent parody trying to pretend they are down for something they can't even put into a coherent sentence.

If it wasn't for guns dummy, Blacks would still be slaves. If it wasn't for black people and law enforcement having guns black people would still be lynched post civil rights movement.

Again dork, would you tell the citizens of the Ukraine that they can't have guns? You hypocritical know nothing clown. If guns are "only for war " how would people hunt? Or if war does come to somebody's doorstep how would they magically appear out of thin air when it comes time to defend yourself.

Its a fkn boxing forum stop brow beating your stupidity and poor grasp of the world onto others.

 

[panem-et-circenses]

If it wasn't for guns dummy, Blacks would still be slaves. If it wasn't for black people and law enforcement having guns black people would still be lynched post civil rights movement.

the thing about gun ownership is, the proliferation of it didn’t occur until after the civil war, really. Not sure if that has anything to do with your point, but it is interesting that modern gun culture is a relatively recent occurrence.

 

[bjl12]

I'm not your brother & you're not African American. You are a clown poser that knows nothing about my culture or my country.

My country elected a black man president. Has your shit hole country done that? If you have the guts to even say where you are from.

You legit sound like Ali G, Cheddar Bob, or any other low rent parody trying to pretend they are down for something they can't even put into a coherent sentence.

If it wasn't for guns dummy, Blacks would still be slaves. If it wasn't for black people and law enforcement having guns black people would still be lynched post civil rights movement.

Again dork, would you tell the citizens of the Ukraine that they can't have guns? You hypocritical know nothing clown. If guns are "only for war " how would people hunt? Or if war does come to somebody's doorstep how would they magically appear out of thin air when it comes time to defend yourself.

Its a fkn boxing forum stop brow beating your stupidity and poor grasp of the world onto others.

Ukraine was invaded so that's a different situation. Every country has a military but if you think your little pistol is gonna poke someone's peepee or bumbum then by all means. I leave the redneck shit to people like yourself and the other Trumpers (racists, homophobes, antisemetics, traitors, etc.).

And what are you talking about in regards to hunting? Who tf needs to hunt anymore? Any kind of meat is available in any local grocery store. Are you rubbing sticks together for fire too? Wannabe boyscout...do everyone a favor and work on those noose knots.

And I'm American born and raised. I just don't let the alt-right groom me like, well, you.

War over slavery had nothing to do with guns but of course you dont understand that. It was a war of principle which is probably why you dont know that since you dont have any