Crime Tyre Nichols video to be released soon. 5 Memphis cops fired and charged with murder for his death

Yehudim said:
Did you read your own article? He had gotten off his wheelchair and on to his stumps, and stabbed somebody, leaving them near death.

It isn’t clear how exactly he got shot, but it is clear that he is a danger even on his stumps. Do you really think that officers kept yelling for him to drop his knife and just domed him because he didn’t listen?
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I watched the video , he wasn't much of a danger , he was hobbling on leg stumps ffs

 
mkess101 said:
I think that's fair. "Many" is of course subjective, but I wouldn't argue it. I'm sure there are plenty of places that do need reform even if there isn't rampant corruption or misconduct. Striving to be better is never a bad thing.

Again though, there are also "many" cases of teachers/coaches/other school employees molesting kids right? We don't demonize these professions and ask for massive overhauls of every school district in the country.
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im glad we spoke long enough to come to this place. but i still disagree non one point. there is a need for federal independent oversite and massive overhauls in training and vetting and education. i would also recommend regular testing for steroids which i suspect is behind some of this. this abuse CAN take root and happen anywhere and it should not be able to happen anywhere.

and i am actually in favor of massive overhauls in teaching also. mainly and simply no teacher should ever be allowed to be alone in a room with a child. i am amazed how stupid parents are in trusting teachers. its not about the individual teachers its about the statistics. it is a mark of societal stupidity and naivete that any kids ever get molested by teachers.

its statistically stupid to trust people in general. a certain percentage of them are predators and or unstable.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Do you think they would of beat a young white suburban kid like that???
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Look up statistics of police brutality. The answer is "yes". You just don't see those incidents highlighted on the news and social media. It's so fucking silly to suggest that white people have this invisible shield around them that protects them from getting their asses kicked by cops, when cops deem them to be uncooperative. Guess what else? Cops also shoot and kill a whole bunch white folks too.

Real life isn't written and directed by Spike Lee.
 
milkmandanl said:
we have data that clearly shows unarmed white suspects being abused and killed by the police. It would stand to reason that other races and ethnicities would suffer as well

I just saw a video of 2 unarmed white suspects awoken early morning by a SWAT team…the were told to come out the door with the hands up…the male goes out first standing on the doorstep with his hands visibly up and the SWAT team opens fire…
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No thats not what that data suggests. You would have to look at as a rate with overall populous of that group considered.
White males are going to lead the statistics in a lot of things. Simply due to them being a large majority of this country. But that doesn't consider the rate or likelihood of the occurrence.
You know math & stuff....
 
HereticBD said:
Look up statistics of police brutality. The answer is "yes". You just don't see those incidents highlighted on the news and social media. It's so fucking silly to suggest that white people have this invisible shield around them that protects them from getting their asses kicked by cops, when cops deem them to be uncooperative. Guess what else? Cops also shoot and kill a whole bunch white folks too.

Real life isn't written and directed by Spike Lee.
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Look up math maybe. Or go to school to understand statistics. Or look at my post above.
 
@WklySportsMemes said: ↑
Do you think they would of beat a young white suburban kid like that???
That's a fair question people should be asking.



yes they would if the white person were poor. poor people are easy to bully as they cant afford good lawyers and dont know anyone with influence.
 
terrapin said:
im glad we spoke long enough to come to this place. but i still disagree non one point. there is a need for federal independent oversite and massive overhauls in training and vetting and education. i would also recommend regular testing for steroids which i suspect is behind some of this. this abuse CAN take root and happen anywhere and it should not be able to happen anywhere.

and i am actually in favor of massive overhauls in teaching also. mainly and simply no teacher should ever be allowed to be alone in a room with a child. i am amazed how stupid parents are in trusting teachers. its not about the individual teachers its about the statistics. it is a mark of societal stupidity and naivete that any kids ever get molested by teachers.

its statistically stupid to trust people in general. a certain percentage of them are predators and or unstable.
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I like your consistency for sure. I think your ideas on oversight, accounanimity, etc are not off base. I think it gets dangerous when you start throwing things out there that demonize a profession. What that does is put a target on them. It becomes a self fulfilling project. Rational, well rounded people see that attitude grow and say "Screw becoming a cop, everyone will vie me as a villain even of im trying to do good". And because we still need cops, those jobs get filled with more and more of the overly aggressive goons that you're talking about.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Look up math maybe. Or go to school to understand statistics. Or look at my post above.
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You suggested that they wouldn't beat a white kid like that, but there is vast amounts of evidence that proves they would and do. That's all there is to it. The only statistic that applies to your racist rhetoric, is that cops do indeed kick the shit out of white people all the same.
 
 
terrapin said:
@WklySportsMemes said: ↑
Do you think they would of beat a young white suburban kid like that???
That's a fair question people should be asking.



yes they would if the white person were poor. poor people are easy to bully as they cant afford good lawyers and dont know anyone with influence.
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They pull tax returns before they commit police brutality now???
I would agree yes that may come into play for some poor whites. Sure. That dynamic exists.

A lot of these assumptions though are based off of initial prejudices or instant judgement. So its disingenuous to ignore the racial component.
 
AnGrYcRoW said:
I watched the video , he wasn't much of a danger , he was hobbling on leg stumps ffs

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Lol there is no way the cops couldn't stop that guy. Just fkn tackle him from behind when he starts hobbling away lol
 
HereticBD said:
You suggested that they wouldn't beat a white kid like that, but there is vast amounts of evidence that proves they would and do. That's all there is to it. The only statistic that applies to your racist rhetoric, is that cops do indeed kick the shit out of white people all the same.
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No it doesn't. Its a very child like take. But thanks. Noted
 
HereticBD said:
We can't all be on the same intellectual level of your staggeringly genius takes, such as "Cops don't beat up white people, 'cause racist."
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Nobody ever said that. We can at least educate ourselves with terms and concepts like likelihood & rates of occurrence for a specific group.
Its also still just a gradeshcool level ask.
You dont have to be an intellectual juggernaut like me to understand them (SARCASM that you will miss)
 
terrapin said:
It really is just a sick cultural problem made up of the largely uneducated in need of major reform.

But the cultural problem runs so deep it will never happen from within... a more superior culture is going to have to impose itself from the outside.
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It will take time. The culture during my career changed a lot and it is ever evolving. Take weed for example. When I joined the pd in 2002, it was an arrest usually. I can vividly remember the first time I made someone dump it out instead of making an arrest and I thought I was going to get in trouble. I didn’t. At the end of my career, unless it was a lot, it resulted in either nothing or a ticket. Use of force as to what was acceptable changed. For example, when I started, chokes were perfectly acceptable when fighting a suspect. Now, they are not except in extreme circumstances. Pursuit rules changed. Mental health awareness changed and continues to change. Taser usage and rules have changed. Treatment of the homeless has changed. Panhandling is now seen as a first amendment right. Second amendment rights are more widely recognized and understood by law enforcement due to audits and the public. For example, a man with a rifle on his back used to be considered suspicious and now, he’s just expressing his second amendment rights. I changed a lot in that regard, personally.

As much as I hate some of the groups opposed to police and have an adversarial nature, some of the points they argue are good and may result in a shift in the culture for the better. Some changes will be for the worse.
 
Massive failure by the leadership of Memphis. They lost good cops, due to the hostilities they faced from criminals as well as their own bosses, and the bosses hired people who normally wouldn't be hired because they wouldn't make the grade. This is happening in most DemonRAT run cities. Cops don't like being de-funded and being blamed for crime. They retire young or flat-out quit. This is also happening in surrounding suburbs because leftism is a cancer that spreads. The big cities place lefties in state government positions, and the state passes shit like no/low bails policies and gun restrictions that affect everybody in the state. Crime goes up, good police officers quit, and DemonRATS fill the position with cops like these 5. Now these 5 aren't bad because they are black. They were not fit for their jobs, especially the jobs in this special crime fighting unit which requires more smarts and more experience. They're dumbing down requirements, just like they are in the healthcare industry to accommodate the expanding poor (including illegals) and those on government insurance. Same goes for education and the military. Class dismissed.
 
nhbbear said:
It will take time. The culture during my career changed a lot and it is ever evolving. Take weed for example. When I joined the pd in 2002, it was an arrest usually. I can vividly remember the first time I made someone dump it out instead of making an arrest and I thought I was going to get in trouble. I didn’t. At the end of my career, unless it was a lot, it resulted in either nothing or a ticket. Use of force as to what was acceptable changed. For example, when I started, chokes were perfectly acceptable when fighting a suspect. Now, they are not except in extreme circumstances. Pursuit rules changed. Mental health awareness changed and continues to change. Taser usage and rules have changed. Treatment of the homeless has changed. Panhandling is now seen as a first amendment right. Second amendment rights are more widely recognized and understood by law enforcement due to audits and the public. For example, a man with a rifle on his back used to be considered suspicious and now,
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Do you remember any "culture shift" after 9/11????
Thats what I often attribute some of it to. Post 9/11 the hero worship and entitlement got strong! Then a wave of virtue signaling supporters grew & grew. Supporters to where the cops could do NO wrong. So strong they were even willing to give up there rights for this mantra. From this pedestal I believe self entitlement and a hero complex grew.

Caveat * many cops were and are heros. 9/11 & forward. Especially during crisis moments.
I just feel many horrible ones get to eat and profit off that unearned legacy.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
No thats not what that data suggests. You would have to look at as a rate with overall populous of that group considered.
White males are going to lead the statistics in a lot of things. Simply due to them being a large majority of this country. But that doesn't consider the rate or likelihood of the occurrence.
You know math & stuff....
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Yes and no…when you dig into statistics and apply likelihoods you have to go all the way and include things like…% of stops/calls per group and even extrapolate other data elements is the suspect violinist or was a weapon involved

btw, the data clearly answers your what if question
 
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