Crime Tyre Nichols video to be released soon. 5 Memphis cops fired and charged with murder for his death

terrapin said:
that's a different take and better explained. we can honestly dispute how rampant the problem is in good faith.

but my cousin did experience this and he was blackballed in other major cities based on the lying and corrupt police force who slandered him. you are naive about how widespread the problem is man and it seems NOTHING could ever convince you because you dont want to know.

you know me well on here..... you know i am not lying to win a freaking argument man. this happened and it is way more common than you know and something needs to be done about it. i didn't even share (but have before on here) that he finally got on the force in las vegas (a number of states away) but quit because those cops were no better there in terms of abuse and drug dealing.

i guess he just lucked out and found the only two massively corrupt police forces in the states........ and i suppose that is possible but my bullshit meter goes off when people suggest it.

if a cop doesn't know this is happening he or she is likely complicit, naive, in denial, or lying. but the thing is man... there is just no will within the police forces themselves to stop it or see it or care about it. the culture discourages it in fact. i think generally speaking cops are just immature types of people.... the type to run with the crowd and put fitting in above right and wrong. policing needs to make better choices about who they hire. the whole thing needs to be revamped from the ground up and from the outside. no idiot liberals who dont think we need cops should be doing it either.



the only solution is nationally held standards and a totally independent organization that polices cops and fundamental change in the culture and attitude and types of people police forces hire. it would take 30 years to get there and weed them all out or let them die out while replacing them with a different breed of person with better training.
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And I'm telling you I have multiple very close friends that are cops that I've known most of my life. And they don't see any of this stuff in their departments. These are guys who would absolutely come forward if they did, they've stated it unequivocally. Said they wouldn't even WANT to keep their jobs if meant working in a place that would allow it.

So no, I'm not naive. Yes, there are bad departments. No, it isn't everywhere.

Like...teachers account for by far the most cases of child molestation. Do we say "no way could they get away with it if other teachers were reporting it". Then demonize the entire profession because of that view? Of course not. Yet you think it's okay to do with cops because of your anecdotal experience.

Sorry, but nah.
 
spamking said:
Sigh . . . apparently comprehension is above yours. But you're really good at creating things to fit your perceived bias.



I said it was stupid to blame it on white supremacy.



I said I'm fed up with race baiting grifters.



Why? You'll just read what I type and get it completely wrong. Again.
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Its not me being wrong, its just you being dishonest and backtracking.
Its the same old song & dance to where fake blow- hards paint themselves into a corner with their dummy logic, than have to divert and not answer simple questions to get out.
-How it could be perceived as White Supremacy was addressed
- How its pretty silly to call this situation a grift has been addressed
-How race needs to be examined at all levels in this has been addressed. ...
....but keep doing your dance about how your points were not addressed because you can't or didn't read.
 
 
mkess101 said:
And I'm telling you I have multiple very close friends that are cops that I've known most of my life. And they don't see any of this stuff in their departments. These are guys who would absolutely come forward if they did, they've stated it unequivocally. Said they wouldn't even WANT to keep their jobs if meant working in a place that would allow it.

So no, I'm not naive. Yes, there are bad departments. No, it isn't everywhere.

Like...teachers account for by far the most cases of child molestation. Do we say "no way could they get away with it if other teachers were reporting it". Then demonize the entire profession because of that view? Of course not. Yet you think it's okay to do with cops because of your anecdotal experience.


Sorry, but nah.
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ok but it is more likely that you have gotten lucky and known the few good ones... maybe because you are a good person and gravitate towards that than it is that my cousin lucked out and found two massively corrupt departments states away from one another.

but i am going to use less hyperbole and stop saying MOST cops are terrible people. i will say many are instead based on the same criteria i laid out before. but we still need all of the reforms im stating because even one black guy getting beaten to death is too many and there are absolutely pressures against turning in fellow police. the whole system still needs profound reform.
 
AnGrYcRoW said:
Double amputee shot to death while running away on his stumps , yes he had a knife but come on

But hey he threatened to throw the knife apparently so fire away

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/31/us/california-double-amputee-anthony-lowe-killed-by-police/index.html?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16752721567240&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/us/california-double-amputee-anthony-lowe-killed-by-police/index.html
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they are just good men trying to get home to their families while being hopped up on caffeine and trt and rambo movies.
 
terrapin said:
ok but it is more likely that you have gotten lucky and known the few good ones... maybe because you are a good person and gravitate towards that than it is that my cousin lucked out and found two massively corrupt departments states away from one another.

but i am going to use less hyperbole and stop saying MOST cops are terrible people. i will say many are instead based on the same criteria i laid out before. but we still need all of the reforms im stating because even one black guy getting beaten to death is too many and there are absolutely pressures against turning in fellow police. the whole system still needs profound reform.
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I think that's fair. "Many" is of course subjective, but I wouldn't argue it. I'm sure there are plenty of places that do need reform even if there isn't rampant corruption or misconduct. Striving to be better is never a bad thing.

Again though, there are also "many" cases of teachers/coaches/other school employees molesting kids right? We don't demonize these professions and ask for massive overhauls of every school district in the country.
 
IamStryker said:
I'm glad because I agree it's a stupid idea. It seems pretty popular but hopefully it's as fringe as you say.

I really doubt though that these five black cops were motivated by anti black racism. They were just shitty cops that thought they could get away with beating this kid up.
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Do you think they would of beat a young white suburban kid like that???
That's a fair question people should be asking.
Its also another long standing call-out against the broken police-state culture. They abuse the ones they think they can get away with doing so. Due to prior criminal backgrounds, not being educated on the laws & rights, not have the money for legal representation or investigation, not having the privilege of affluent connections, and/ or not sharing a common social circle.

On the racism thing. Even though I don't agree with "its only racism if you have the power or the majority over another group. " I do believe that tpower and the majority in the dynamic of racism does create systematic racism and deeper issues of a greater impact. Especially when the targeted community has less resources and access.
 
Doctor Stoppage said:
Who are they blaming? Nichols? I mean he was an idiot for not just complying instead of doing the normal young African-American male routine of "I didn't do anything! What are you doing!" while running, kicking, fighting, wrestling, etc., but that doesn't mean he's to blame for his death.
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I’ve read in this thread or elsewhere…he is to blame, white supremacy is to blame, the police chief, the unit he is in etc and ad nauseum
 
milkmandanl said:
I’ve read in this thread or elsewhere…he is to blame, white supremacy is to blame, the police chief, the unit he is in etc and ad nauseum
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I mean, okay, his actions contributed to the situation, but that's everything in life. There's a clear distinction for blame/responsibility and contributing factors. The officers made choices to beat him beyond reason and used unreasonable force that resulted in death. If a toddler comes up and smacks me I'm not allowed to then punt it across the room, and, it would not be reasonable to 'blame' the toddler for instigating the incident.

WklySportsMemes said:
Do you think they would of beat a young white suburban kid like that???
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Of course they would. What world do you live in where you ask this question when there's a plethora of data, information and video evidence of police doing exactly that to people of all races and ethnicities?

Would you also ask 'would a white suburban kid have resisted arrest in the manner he did?'

Albeit disingenuous to assume that changing variables in one circumstance would result in the same result because we can't measure the butterfly effect. But generally the data says the answer to your question is unequivocally yes.
 
AnGrYcRoW said:
Double amputee shot to death while running away on his stumps , yes he had a knife but come on

But hey he threatened to throw the knife apparently so fire away

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/31/us/california-double-amputee-anthony-lowe-killed-by-police/index.html?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16752721567240&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/us/california-double-amputee-anthony-lowe-killed-by-police/index.html
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Did you read your own article? He had gotten off his wheelchair and on to his stumps, and stabbed somebody, leaving them near death.

It isn’t clear how exactly he got shot, but it is clear that he is a danger even on his stumps. Do you really think that officers kept yelling for him to drop his knife and just domed him because he didn’t listen?
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Its not me being wrong, its just you being dishonest and backtracking.
Its the same old song & dance to where fake blow- hards paint themselves into a corner with their dummy logic, than have to divert and not answer simple questions to get out.
-How it could be perceived as White Supremacy was addressed
- How its pretty silly to call this situation a grift has been addressed
-How race needs to be examined at all levels in this has been addressed. ...
....but keep doing your dance about how your points were not addressed because you can't or didn't read.
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Keep coping dude . . . score those internet argument points. Nothing you've responded with here has addressed what I've actually said. You've continually responded with points you think I've made when I haven't. You're actually trying to add things here just to argue against them. So yes, you're being dishonest.

Where have I backtracked? Fake blow-hard? What are you talking about? I've made comments on here that I've stood by and you simply disagree with them. That makes me a blow-hard? Get a grip dude.

Do you need more validation with your ridiculous questions? What haven't I answered sufficiently this time?
 
milkmandanl said:
yes, given the opportunity those five would. imho
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I don't know. I think there is a strong possibility they wouldn't of. However no idea. Would love to see body cam footage of how they just interacted with different kinds of people daily.
 
Doctor Stoppage said:
I mean, okay, his actions contributed to the situation, but that's everything in life. There's a clear distinction for blame/responsibility and contributing factors. The officers made choices to beat him beyond reason and used unreasonable force that resulted in death. If a toddler comes up and smacks me I'm not allowed to then punt it across the room, and, it would not be reasonable to 'blame' the toddler for instigating the incident.



Of course they would. What world do you live in where you ask this question when there's a plethora of data, information and video evidence of police doing exactly that to people of all races and ethnicities?

Would you also ask 'would a white suburban kid have resisted arrest in the manner he did?'

Albeit disingenuous to assume that changing variables in one circumstance would result in the same result because we can't measure the butterfly effect. But generally the data says the answer to your question is unequivocally yes.
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I think we are on the same page…
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Do you think they would of beat a young white suburban kid like that???
That's a fair question people should be asking.
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That's exactly the kind of ridiculous, unhelpful question a race baiter would ask in this situation.
 
spamking said:
Keep coping dude . . . score those internet argument points. Nothing you've responded with here has addressed what I've actually said. You've continually responded with points you think I've made when I haven't. You're actually trying to add things here just to argue against them. So yes, you're being dishonest.

Where have I backtracked? Fake blow-hard? What are you talking about? I've made comments on here that I've stood by and you simply disagree with them. That makes me a blow-hard? Get a grip dude.

Do you need more validation with your ridiculous questions? What haven't I answered sufficiently this time?
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Asked & answered. This is a giant hissy fit with no substance.

Yes, I'm coping with a horrific government sponsored execution in the middle of the street. 3rd world style. Like many other decent folks in the thread. You should try it one day...

Carry on with your own grift on how Ben Crump is the problem. Lol
 
WklySportsMemes said:
I don't know. I think there is a strong possibility they wouldn't of. However no idea. Would love to see body cam footage of how they just interacted with different kinds of people daily.
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we have data that clearly shows unarmed white suspects being abused and killed by the police. It would stand to reason that other races and ethnicities would suffer as well

I just saw a video of 2 unarmed white suspects awoken early morning by a SWAT team…the were told to come out the door with the hands up…the male goes out first standing on the doorstep with his hands visibly up and the SWAT team opens fire…
 
spamking said:
That's exactly the kind of ridiculous, unhelpful question a race baiter would ask in this situation.
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This is the exact answer I would expect from a closeted racist, a racist enabler, or just a plain racist.
Your own medicine taste good?
 
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