Law Trumps home raided

[kflo]

Lol



Wrong wrong wrong again lmao

"there is a process for doing that, according to Ali. It includes communicating with the Cabinet or agency head from which the information originated to ensure that declassifying it poses no risk to national security."

In fairness, I do read that as there is a process that is supposed to happen but the president does have pretty wide discretion.

That said, he does need to actually officially declassify something for it to be declassified.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Maybe if he writes it for a 5th time The Candyman will appear and kill all the liberals.

They honestly believe he is still a dictator that has absolute power. I didn't know adults existed who didn't understand the difference between a dictator and the American President.

 

[MTT]

I dont think I'm going to take any advice from a guy who just clearly made a ridiculously wrong blanket statement of a president having the authority to do things he clearly can not.

So knowing how warrants work. Them leaving with classified documents is not a good thing.

Things get leaked to the media all the time. That's how life & the news work. Lol
I love that many of you are still pushing "the leftist media" angle. The media doesn't issue subpoenas, warrants, or put people under federal investigation.
As for what I think happens next, I dont know. Hopefully its an indictment if the information was classified.

There is a process...

As for the president's power to declassify materials, here's some background on how it works, according to current and former intelligence officials familiar with the declassification process.

First, a U.S. president does have uniquely sweeping declassification abilities, though there is a process that involves written documentation and several other steps.

It's not the case that a president can declassify documents with just verbal instructions. His instruction to declassify a given document would first be memorialized in a written memo, usually drafted by White House counsel, which he would then sign.

Typically, the leadership of the agency or agencies with equities in the document would be consulted and given an opportunity to provide their views on the declassification decision. As the ultimate declassification authority, however, the president can decide to override any objections they raise.

Once a final decision is made, and the relevant agency receives the president's signed memo, the physical document in question would be marked — the old classification level would be crossed out — and the document would then be stamped, "Declassified on X date" by the agency in question.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-classified-records/

Can a president declassify information?
Yes, the president has the authority to declassify information. Typically, there is a process for doing that, according to Ali. It includes communicating with the Cabinet or agency head from which the information originated to ensure that declassifying it poses no risk to national security.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/13/trump-warrant-classified-answers/

And he can’t just deem something declassified.

The President can indeed deem something declassified and it's declassified. Whatever process a talking head is inferring is irrelevant. I understand it's maddening but this power is essentially ultimate minus the 3 caveats I listed above.

The post-process has historically been governed by executive order and doesn't detract from his constitutional authority. In this regard, the President has no obligation to follow procedures he didn't set.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/484/518/

This is Obama's executive order if interested:

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

Trump could very well be screwed if he had documents protected by the atomic energy act(s) or if Biden reclassified material. Personally, I think Trump running in 2024 is a disaster and I hope the FBI was extremely diligent here but people underestimate the power of the sitting President.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Lol



Wrong wrong wrong again lmao

"there is a process for doing that, according to Ali. It includes communicating with the Cabinet or agency head from which the information originated to ensure that declassifying it poses no risk to national security."

Pretty sure Trump’s team wants to argue there’s nothing saying the president has to follow any process. Would be an interesting court case, but it doesn’t really matter. The documents weren’t his and he did not have permission to have them.

 

[kflo]

They honestly believe he is still a dictator that has absolute power. I didn't know adults existed who didn't understand the difference between a dictator and the American President.

Relevant article from 2017:

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...resident-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

 

[WklySportsMemes]

In fairness, I do read that as there is a process that is supposed to happen but the president does have pretty wide discretion.

That said, he does need to actually officially declassify something for it to be declassified.

The point more is that there is a process to track and record. It's nothing like what the poster is claiming.
Anybody who is any type of professional or who has worked with any type of legal documents understands that there is a process for tracking and documenting. Im sure the most secured and sensitive documents don't require less effort and less formalities.

 

[Snowblindlove]

Thats why they are classified lmao you aren't supposed to know. I give up. Wow.

I have been asking what you think is on there

I googled some "experts" say nuclear weapons designs and attack plans.

I dont know why you couldnt say the same thing

 

[WklySportsMemes]

The President can indeed deem something declassified and it's declassified. Whatever process a talking head is inferring is irrelevant. I understand it's maddening but this power is essentially ultimate minus the 3 caveats I listed above.

The post-process has historically been governed by executive order and doesn't detract from his constitutional authority. In this regard, the President has no obligation to follow procedures he didn't set.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/484/518/

This is Obama's executive order if interested:

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

Trump could very well be screwed if he had documents protected by the atomic energy act(s) or if Biden reclassified material. Personally, I think Trump running in 2024 is a disaster and I hope the FBI was extremely diligent here but people underestimate the power of the sitting President.

You were wrong he can't declassify anything. Don't skate past it. Especially when it is reported that some of the documents were indeed nuclear.
That's kind of the whole point here.

 

[MTT]

You were wrong he can't declassify anything. Don't skate past it. Especially when it is reported that some of the documents were indeed nuclear.
That's kind of the whole point here.

Try to argue in good faith. I listed the 3 caveats that could get Trump including the atomic energy act(s) and you're ignoring it to try and score a W. Please, stop it.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/168957830/

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I have been asking what you think is on there

I googled some "experts" say nuclear weapons designs and attack plans.

I dont know why you couldnt say the same thing

Because it could be anything. I'm not dumb enough to speculate at that level. Could be literally anything. But thats the whole point to the different classification levels. The levels matter. So you go off that. I dont expect them to give up Top Secret info because they caught a fool violating it. That wouldn't make sense now would it.

 

[Andy Capp]

Again, I’m not sure why you are minimizing that he kept TS/SCI and TS documents for at least months after he was required to return them. Like, how long do you let a citizen sit on that type of information on their personal property? Again, I’m not sure why you aren’t alarmed at this or think it’s not a big fuckin deal?

But I bet you understand why I put him on ignore.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Try to argue in good faith. I listed the 3 caveats that could get Trump including the atomic energy act(s) and you're ignoring it to try and score a W. Please, stop it.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/168957830/

Stop misusing the simple grade school vocabulary word of "anything." Also stop saying the president "can declassify whatever he wants." That's in direct contradiction of the things you claimed to caveat. Don't expect "good faith" with clear contradictions like that.

 

[MTT]

Stop misusing the simple grade school vocabulary word of "anything." Also stop saying the president "can declassify whatever he wants." That's in direct contradiction of the things you claimed to caveat. Don't expect "good faith" with clear contradictions like that.

That's what a caveat implies. A statement that limits a previous general and broad statement. Fuck right off with your Jack Savage style of argument.

 

[MassDistortion]

We have nearly 1000 Trump supporters arrested from Jan 6th alone, some doing multi-year prison terms, and other Trump supporters are going on suicide missions for the man, but you still insist on using this tired, 7 year old line?

suicide missions? that sounds wild. when did that happen?

 

[MTT]

There is a process...

As for the president's power to declassify materials, here's some background on how it works, according to current and former intelligence officials familiar with the declassification process.

First, a U.S. president does have uniquely sweeping declassification abilities, though there is a process that involves written documentation and several other steps.

It's not the case that a president can declassify documents with just verbal instructions. His instruction to declassify a given document would first be memorialized in a written memo, usually drafted by White House counsel, which he would then sign.

Typically, the leadership of the agency or agencies with equities in the document would be consulted and given an opportunity to provide their views on the declassification decision. As the ultimate declassification authority, however, the president can decide to override any objections they raise.

Once a final decision is made, and the relevant agency receives the president's signed memo, the physical document in question would be marked — the old classification level would be crossed out — and the document would then be stamped, "Declassified on X date" by the agency in question.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-classified-records/

I think the interesting thing is the game Trump plays regarding areas of extreme ambiguity and Presidental power. The executive holds broad scope in declassifying material and any process to declassify has historically been set by executive order that is self-prescribed. I don't know if he does it to create havoc or if it's a legitimate defense to what he sees as opposition attack.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

That's what a caveat implies. A statement that limits a previous general and broad statement. Fuck right off with your Jack Savage style of argument.

The caveat was in a separate post. You're acting like a goofball. You should probably stfu. When intelligent people use terms like "anything" or "whatever they want" there are no caveats. Especially in a separate post.

 

[HOLA]

suicide missions? that sounds wild. when did that happen?

Just a day or two ago. A delirious dummy got so upset at the Maralago raid he tried to Terminator 1 his way through an FBI HQ in Cincinnati to avenge his Orange God. He was even giving live updates on Trump's social media platform. He is now getting eaten by the worms.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Don't care how you look just as long as you don't try to stab your country in the back.
Allegedly.

Did i miss something? Are Cross dressers not to be trusted as Americans? It seems thats what Trumptards are pushing as the narrative.

I find this strange considering there has been stories that some of our founding fathers were into that sort of thing. Not that there is anything wrong with it.....

 

[Andy Capp]

Pretty sure Trump’s team wants to argue there’s nothing saying the president has to follow any process. Would be an interesting court case, but it doesn’t really matter. The documents weren’t his and he did not have permission to have them.

Regardless, if this is true, how can any American call himself a patriot and also support that shitwad:
"Instead, Vladeck said, Trump "took it upon himself to authorize officials from a foreign government to receive classified national security information that was itself derived from a different foreign government’s intelligence gathering. That’s just not the same thing as what Sen. Risch described, and the law on this topic is far murkier.""

 

[MassDistortion]

Just a day or two ago. A delirious dummy got so upset at the Maralago raid he tried to Terminator 1 his way through an FBI HQ in Cincinnati to avenge his Orange God. He was even giving live updates on Trump's social media platform. He is now getting eaten by the worms.

daaaaammn. that's wild lol. what a bum.