Trump's DOJ gears up for crackdown on marijuana

[CargoKing]

I love threads like this where it becomes apparent who in this forum is actually conservative and who's just taken up trolling for Trump in the last year.

 

[Fawlty]

TBH, I dont think the states rights argument properly applies to either. You might not like the federal government's reasons for criminalizing possession of a substance, but that doesn't mean that the federal government doesn't have the power to do so. It'd be nice if the federal government was constitutionally obligated to only do things that are good ideas with good reasons, but that is not the case.

But there is an important distinction here that I'd like to bring up in response to @second sight 's claims of inconsistency.

Gay Marriage is a constitutional-rights issue - its about limits on government. The Fourteenth Amendment expressly limits state powers by requiring states to respect certain rights, and if you read gay marriage as coming under that - and there are several ways to do so - then it's not something a state can ignore. This end of "states rights" isn't about whether something is properly a power of the states or federal government, but about how broad of a limit the 14th amendment puts on state powers.

MJ is more about the extent of federal powers. Criminal laws are nominally the purview of the state government, and the federal government is limited in what it can criminalize based on the powers it is granted under the constitution. In the past 70 or so years, the overwhelming majority of people in the united states government, legal profession, politics, etc, have read those powers (esp. under the ICC) expansively, so the federal government has been able to make a pretty much parallel criminal code. The federal government cannot bar a state from legalizing marijauna under state law, but it can make it illegal under federal law. This is interesting because this effectively limits the ability of a state to legalize certain conduct, and thus effectively erodes state powers in that direction (but fully allows states to criminalize conduct).

Because these erosions of state power come from different constitutional clauses, and involve different methods of interpreting what you read, it can be logically consistent to accept one, both, or neither.

Fucking lawyers.

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[Vitor CroCop]

ITT. Spineless anti big gubmint hypocritical manginas.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Pot smoking burnouts are insufferable and pothead culture should be heavily discouraged

Shut the fuck up.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Will Sessions even make it long enough to do anything? Doubtful.

I've always felt that the MM laws are low hanging political fruit, and will be fucked with for some time yet until the States tell the Fed, "Fuck yourselves. We're making money hand over fist and fixing our roads and schools thanks to stoners, not ineffective bitch-ass do-nothing politicians."

 

[Vitor CroCop]

Violent crime has declined steadily since the 90's, yet he suggests a "potentially long-term uptick in violent crime." He won't need any facts. They never do. "Potentially" is enough.

 

[ndwolfwood]

Alcoholics are triggered ITT.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Smh. Sad.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

You're one of the forum's "patriotic" case by case anti- freedom deer ticks.
You're happy to do away with freedoms that wouldn't affect you.
You don't care about non-you Americans, you're the worst kind of American.

 

[freakyfarley]

one guy fighting a bush.

 

[Vitor CroCop]

You're one of the forum's "patriotic" case by case anti- freedom deer ticks.
You're happy to do away with freedoms that wouldn't affect you.
You don't care about non-you Americans, you're the worst kind of American.

damn. poetic rekking right hur.

 

[JSN]

Good these reefer addicts are running around committing murder and rape and such.

 

[DoomPatrol]

You're one of the forum's "patriotic" case by case anti- freedom deer ticks.
You're happy to do away with freedoms that wouldn't affect you.
You don't care about non-you Americans, you're the worst kind of American.

@KONE is one of the biggest dumbasses on the forum. The man literally has an avatar of a guy smoking a huge cigar and he's against marijuana. I'm sure he doesn't hold those same sentiments against alcohol, tobacco, or anything else that's potentially harmful. He's also an admitted authoritarian, which is a great concept for Nazi Germany, not a democratic America.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

@KONE is one of the biggest dumbasses on the forum. The man literally has an avatar of a guy smoking a huge cigar and he's against marijuana. I'm sure he doesn't hold those same sentiments against alcohol, tobacco, or anything else that's potentially harmful. He's also an admitted authoritarian, which is a great concept for Nazi Germany, not a democratic America.

The "Nobody exists but me!" American has GOT TO GO

 

[DoomPatrol]

The "Nobody exists but me!" American has GOT TO GO

I think this idea that it's OK to be Republican and for a lack of regulations on business while wanting extreme regulation on human rights needs to go. It's hypocrisy at it's best. It's OK for a corporation to harm the country in the name of profit, but a human being can't potentially harm themselves with basically harmless substances. It's legal to be a bum and drop out of school, but marijuana should be illegal because it maybe isn't the best thing for you. It's absurd logic. If they really cared about the health of the nation, they wouldn't allow people to go skydiving and do other ridiculously dangerous activities for fun either.

Marijuana is illegal for the sole reason that they wanted a war on minorities and dissident groups in the nation. The government never cared about our personal health. If they did, they wouldn't let kids drop of school and be worthless to society. They saw it as a good opportunity to imprison and silence opposition.

Literally every place that has legalized it seems to want to keep it legal. It's great for business. It lowers drinking and driving. It's mostly harmless fun. If they really cared about the health of the nation and harming gangs, they would take away their huge source of funding, which is the illicit sales of marijuana.

 

[FacePunch]

They are cracking down on this already. Good job paying attention.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...own-on-opioid-abuse-by-doctors/1181499967042/

The government created the problem. Who are they going to arrest - Themselves? GTFOH you simple-minded troll. For someone talking shit about paying attention you sure are ignorant.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

I was the biggest pothead of all time until ~ 2 months ago when I needed to clean up my system before I traveled around backpacking.

Who cares how many people use drugs? I don't. To me, it's about how many druggies you see walking around the streets. Their impact on my daily life is what matters. If druggies are too afraid to be seen in public, all the sudden gangsters, thugs, crackheads, bums, homeless -- all disappear from sight. Out of sight, out of mind. Society is clean again.

It's a fantastic feeling to be in a clean society. You wouldn't understand unless you've experienced it. Until ~ a month ago, I was on the legalize all drugs side. After seeing the amazing society that insanely Nazi-like draconian drug laws can create, I changed my mind.

Where are you talking about?

 

[Juventud]

Alls i know is i've traveled to quite a few cities around the world and Amsterdam was one of the nicest friendliest atmospheres in a city i've been in. Couples walking down the streets at night. What Paris wishes it could be now.

For the lazy excuse for dismissing it. Everyone there was either riding a bike or walking since there's no cars. You have to give them praise for getting windmills to do all their heavy lifting.

Met a Doctor from Detroit in the 1st coffee shop i went to. He was returning from a conference, stopped in for the night. Nerdy looking guy rolled the biggest joint i'd ever seen in 30 seconds. Said Michigan had medical weed for a while.

L.A seemed really relaxed. So did Colorado.
Half of Hollywood and any sport not getting USADA tested are smoking. Are they lazy?
It's your lazy American teenagers and shit school systems creating drop outs that's the problem. Burger king stoners into their 20's. Fix your school system.

 

[Vitor CroCop]

I think this idea that it's OK to be Republican and for a lack of regulations on business while wanting extreme regulation on human rights needs to go. It's hypocrisy at it's best. It's OK for a corporation to harm the country in the name of profit, but a human being can't potentially harm themselves with basically harmless substances. It's legal to be a bum and drop out of school, but marijuana should be illegal because it maybe isn't the best thing for you. It's absurd logic. If they really cared about the health of the nation, they wouldn't allow people to go skydiving and do other ridiculously dangerous activities for fun either.

Marijuana is illegal for the sole reason that they wanted a war on minorities and dissident groups in the nation. The government never cared about our personal health. If they did, they wouldn't let kids drop of school and be worthless to society. They saw it as a good opportunity to imprison and silence opposition.

Literally every place that has legalized it seems to want to keep it legal. It's great for business. It lowers drinking and driving. It's mostly harmless fun. If they really cared about the health of the nation and harming gangs, they would take away their huge source of funding, which is the illicit sales of marijuana.

ka-fucking BOOM!

 

[FacePunch]

Sessions will only be in there for another 2-3 weeks anyway. Knowing that Trump is a spineless weasel who has no real opinion on anything, and just spouts the stupid bullshit that he thinks people want to hear - We could end up with Willie Nelson as AG before the end of summer.