International Trump will recognize occupied Ukraine as part of Russia

[ChessJitsu]

You could allow Russia to maintain de facto control of the territory they've stolen without recognizing it internationally and keeping them sanctioned forever for one.

You mean basically expedite China's ascension by 20-30 years?

What do you think happens when the West sanctions Russia as much as it does?

China gets ultra cheap energy, strategic cooperation with the most geographically advantaged partner you can have on the planet, and America ends up subsidizing sick man Europe 2X as much as it does.

It's not just about Russia. Every decision towards Russia is a decision towards China, Iran, Israel, etc.

 

[Darkballs]

Yeah? and?? The days of thinking an MOS puts them above someone else has gone the way of the dodo around 2008.

And this wasn't relevant until you found out I served in a capacity you couldn't.

Mate, go re-read what you just wrote. You just discounted two tours of mine that involved combat, while boasting about the TRAINING gigs you went on. This has gotten so weird, that you've abandoned any attempt to talk to the topic of this thread and are now going out of your way to follow me around other threads.

Now if you are half as masculine as you claim to be, you shouldn't be acting this way.

 

[evansusmc2]

And this wasn't relevant until you found out I served in a capacity you couldn't.

Who said I couldn't?? Like I already said, one of the guys I graduated high school with couldn't hold a candle to me in ANY sport made recon back in 2000. And?? Ya done being wrong?? He even called me up afterwards and told me "dude, you should have chosen this gig instead of logistics. You would have made it."

Mate, go re-read what you just wrote. You just discounted two tours of mine that involved combat,

Neither had anything to do with this current conflict which is why your opinion of this overall doesn't mean much.

while boasting about the TRAINING gigs you went on.

Nope... Combined Arms Exercise in Camp Wilson, CA (CAX) is a training exercise. Or NTC Fort Irwin.

If something were to pop off during OAR we'd being the first ones in.

This has gotten so weird, that you've abandoned any attempt to talk to the topic of this thread and are now going out of your way to follow me around other threads.

Keep stacking them Ls. And its not like I am the only one calling you out either.

Now if you are half as masculine as you claim to be, you shouldn't be acting this way.

Says the damsel of dipping, ducking, and dodging.... and FORCING yourself to repeat questions and comments that I have already answered.

 

[Darkballs]

Who said I couldn't?? Like I already said, one of the guys I graduated high school with couldn't hold a candle to me in ANY sport made recon back in 2000. And?? Ya done being wrong?? He even called me up afterwards and told me "dude, you should have chosen this gig instead of logistics. You would have made it."

Jesus christ. Do you not understand how utterly insecure you sound right now? Look at this shit I'm quoting.

Buddy, if all you've got left is talking about how you beat up everyone in every scenario I put forth, then this is a complete waste of my time.

And honest to god, I think you have a valid claim at the VA for full disability. Get after it.

Says the damsel of dipping, ducking, and dodging.... and FORCING yourself to repeat questions and comments that I have already answered.

I don't think repeatedly calling you dumb, counts.

 

[Fluffernutter]

lol dude the State Department is never going to mass release diplomatic communications like that. Wanting transparency is fair, but releasing four years of privileged US communications with other nations would be self-defeating. Diplomacy relies on confidence, so allies and partners will speak candidly. If you burn that trust, you get less truth, not more. The right path is oversight (Congress, etc.), FOIA applicable, and declassification ... not dumping raw, sensitive communications.

As for "academic communities" we are talking about either professors at universities publishing peer reviewed papers in the areas of political sciences and geopolitics, as well as think tanks. I'm not searching google scholar for you, but you can find articles discussing this. Here are some summaries from various sources:

https://ukraine.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/2024-04/2024-03-20%20OHCHR%20Report%20on%20Occupation%20and%20Aftermath_EN.pdf

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/civilian-detainees-subjected-troubling-patterns-torture-and-ill-treatment

Technical Difficulties

Mariupol, Ukraine: A model city of 'new Russia'

Since 2015, photographer Gabriele Micalizzi has been documenting the Donbas region from the Russian side of the front line, an area where Moscow enforces very strict access conditions for journalists. In November, he secured permission to enter Donetsk Oblast, a region of occupied Ukraine, and...

www.lemonde.fr

These are some of the articles and a lot of them focus on what is happening inside the occupied areas of Ukraine right now. And again the general consensus is that if Russia were to capture the whole country, this would occur throughout the whole country on a scale affecting millions of civilians. You can find think tanks that discuss these scenarios and what would happen. It's not hard to find these discussions.

State can certainly release cables from the Openet system, not all has to be ClassNet.

Same with internal emails between Pol and the FO

 

[Alpha_T83]

State can certainly release cables from the Openet system, not all has to be ClassNet.

Same with internal emails between Pol and the FO

They *can* technically do it yes.

But if they did, other nations would no longer trust them with candid communications, and would stop being clear and direct with the US. It would ultimately be self-defeating for US foreign policy in the long run.

 

[Fluffernutter]

They *can* technically do it yes.

But if they did, other nations would no longer trust them with candid communications, and would stop being clear and direct with the US. It would ultimately be self-defeating for US foreign policy in the long run

Nah, not the stuff on OpenNet

 

[The Servant]

Not sure why you scared boys insist on this. Ukraine has continually showed that they can inflict enough casualties on the russians, that the hopes of a permanent occupation are impossible. And as long as Kiev can operate a command and control structure, I don't see how that changes.

But again, you dodge the point. If they can't hope to hold out now, how the fuck are they gonna hold out when putin gets time to refit and move forward unopposed? Your scenario requires us to trust the russians to not resume hostilities later. And only an idiot would trust putin.

With the amount of deaths Ukraine has taken, at this point they will never be the same again after the 20-35 year old bracket have taken its losses.

At this point they're fighting for mineral rights for the Oligarchs, and wealth for the future culture the people running the show import to replace them. Imagine losing your sons, brothers, nephews etc knowing that they will just open mass migration from India and Africa to replace your culture and people with. Its over.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Nah, not the stuff on OpenNet

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that the US release foreign communications made directly or indirectly (forwarded communications) via OpenNet?

Because again, they are not going to do that. OpenNet traffic is often SBU (Sensitive But Unclassified). Just because something isn't classified, doesn't mean it should be made public. These communications can be sensitive *enough* that disclosure can damage foreign relations. The U.S. already releases records through FOIA, but this has to be done carefully and with redactions where necessary (even if it's not officially classified).

The fundamental problem is that mass dumping of SBU diplomatic communications would destroy candid diplomacy and invite other countries to retaliate by dumping communications the US would prefer stay private. This only serves to damage the US in the long run.

 

[Darkballs]

With the amount of deaths Ukraine has taken, at this point they will never be the same again after the 20-35 year old bracket have taken its losses.

Same with russia. You guys won't even have enough drunks on your street to bother picking up to avoid international press.

At this point they're fighting for mineral rights for the Oligarchs, and wealth for the future culture the people running the show import to replace them. Imagine losing your sons, brothers, nephews etc knowing that they will just open mass migration from India and Africa to replace your culture and people with. Its over.

And what the fuck are you fighting for other than to please a midget?

I'd take living in Ukraine over russia any day. And given that just about every middle-age russian who could afford more than a potato, has elected to flee, I'd say I'm not alone in that.

 

[Siver!]

I just want it noted for the Putin apologists that Donald the Red himself has stated the US is "probably making money" from the Ukraine war.



"and we send them a lot of munitions, a lot of things, missiles, and various other things, a lot, AND THEY PAY, the United States is not losing money, we're probably making money on that..."

So may this be the last time lazy right wing posters are allowed to claim the US is sending (ie, losing) billions of dollars to Ukraine because the Orange Man has stated Ukraine are paying for it all.

That talking point is now off the table once and for all. If you want to continue supporting Putin and licking his boots over his illegal, unacceptable, and pointless war, and insisting the United States stops "sending billions to Ukraine", find another talking point from now on because you're categorically wrong.

 

[Hdfi]

I just want it noted for the Putin apologists that Donald the Red himself has stated the US is "probably making money" from the Ukraine war.



"and we send them a lot of munitions, a lot of things, missiles, and various other things, a lot, AND THEY PAY, the United States is not losing money, we're probably making money on that..."

So may this be the last time lazy right wing posters are allowed to claim the US is sending (ie, losing) billions of dollars to Ukraine because the Orange Man has stated Ukraine are paying for it all.

That talking point is now off the table once and for all. If you want to continue supporting Putin and licking his boots over his illegal, unacceptable, and pointless war, and insisting the United States stops "sending billions to Ukraine", find another talking point from now on because you're categorically wrong.

Ukraine is profitable for the MIC, but most of the money comes from the EU morons buying overpriced natural gas, oil, etc.

 

[SandisLL]

Yes, U.S are making money from war in Ukraine and damn a lot. Scott might confirm.


However about some garbage U.S is selling it isn't good news.
The same Patriot.
They are attempting to sell this old stuff in order to earn very big profits for a reason. In the same time talking that they might produce 650 or 750 missiles per 1 year for them.
This mathematically does means that they can't supply 1 battery for 2 weeks of war.
It is clear admission about real technical impotence to manufacture certain weapons.

 

[evansusmc2]

Jesus christ. Do you not understand how utterly insecure you sound right now? Look at this shit I'm quoting.

when in doubt just call the other guy "insecure". Soooo weak and meaningless

Buddy, if all you've got left is talking about how you beat up everyone in every scenario I put forth, then this is a complete waste of my time.

Tell me why ZERO combat arms MOS guys could even make it to the quarter finals in the Fort Stewart combatives tournament from 2014 to 2016.

And honest to god, I think you have a valid claim at the VA for full disability. Get after it.

I'll keep that in mind but then again your opinions of me have yet to reflect my success in life and reality.

I don't think repeatedly calling you dumb, counts.

No one cares about your lame insults except you.

 

[Darkballs]

when in doubt just call the other guy "insecure". Soooo weak and meaningless

I can't help it when you say stuff like this:

Tell me why ZERO combat arms MOS guys could even make it to the quarter finals in the Fort Stewart combatives tournament from 2014 to 2016.

So your service counts, but mine doesn't because some army guys couldn't compete a random tournament a decade after I got out?

You took over a week to respond, and this was the best you could come up with?

 

[evansusmc2]

So your service counts, but mine doesn't because some army guys couldn't compete a random tournament a decade after I got out?

Again.... for the 6th time.... Your MOS means shit in the realm of toughness and I'm glad that mentality dissolved around 2008.

I got 3 tours in Afghanistan, 1 Iraq, and 1 OEFP. Who cares?? NONE had anything to do with today's conflicts. My tours in OAR 2015 and 2016 do since that's an operation that still going on. Plus you did MAYBE 4 or 5 years?? (a looooong time ago) whoooooptidooo!!

You took over a week to respond, and this was the best you could come up with?

And it still stifled you. Imagine that.

 

[curryjunkie]

gettin these vibes..

 

[SandisLL]

Absolutely doesn't makes sense what stuff does recognize U.S, they should accept reality that China is world hegemony No1. Faster will woke up, will be better.
When senile Biden run office XI traveled to U.S, Trumpvance traveled to China to kiss XI hands. Next kissing candidate is KIM .

 

[Darkballs]

Again.... for the 6th time.... Your MOS means shit in the realm of toughness and I'm glad that mentality dissolved around 2008.

I got 3 tours in Afghanistan, 1 Iraq, and 1 OEFP. Who cares??

Oh yeah! Then explain to me how guys with 3 tours failed to qualify for my middle-school football team!