International Trump/Vance or Zelensky - Who look the worst off in terms of public image by that Oval Office meeting?

[MrShady]

You are correct.

But one of those demographics has almost complete control of the media. And every congressman has an AIPAC guy.

Bingo.

Dont forget about Mossad and the Epstein files aspect. Wheres Pam Bondi with the release and prosecutions??

 

[Slothbroth]

Separately, in a conventional war? No, sheer weight of numbers would win it for the Russians. France, Germany, Italy, the UK, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and Finland all fighting together would rape the Motherland like a 5-rouble whore.

The Ukrainian War has proven the Russians are paper bears. By every metric - tactics, logistics, training etc - their military is inferior to the West. Apart from nukes, the only card the Russians have to play is an almost limitless supply of retards to feed into the meatgrinder.

According to Google, the population of Russia was 143.8 million in 2023. That's less than half the US. I thought they had more

 

[HereticBD]

Show me the fallacy of my logic

I'm looking for consistency sir.

But you yourself aren't consistent. The fault isn't in the logic, but the messenger.

 

[MrShady]

But you yourself aren't consistent. The fault isn't in the logic, but the messenger.

I'm literally stating stop funding both Ukraine and Israel if you believe in the America First approach.

Where is the hypocrisy or inconsistency?

 

[fedoriswar37]

Equal . The theatrics of Trump and Vance left a sour taste. And Zelenskey came off as completely disrespectful .

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Separately, in a conventional war? No, sheer weight of numbers would win it for the Russians. France, Germany, Italy, the UK, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and Finland all fighting together would rape the Motherland like a 5-rouble whore.

The Ukrainian War has proven the Russians are paper bears. By every metric - tactics, logistics, training etc - their military is inferior to the West. Apart from nukes, the only card the Russians have to play is an almost limitless supply of retards to feed into the meatgrinder.

The UK admitted it has less than two months of ammo if they went to war with Russia, not to mention a population either disillusioned with their shit government or migrants that wouldn't fight for the country. Germanys army is in no better shape. It seems only France had an army that isnt tiny or atrophied away. I think this sounds like the type of confidence napoleon or hitler had before being ground up on the steppe

 

[HereticBD]

I'm literally stating stop funding both Ukraine and Israel if you believe in the America First approach.

Where is the hypocrisy or inconsistency?

For one, it's not as simple as that. Some allies are more valuable than others.

The thing is, you think you're making some profound point, but are just engaging in some lame gotcha attempt, that you have conveniently excluded yourself from, even though you yourself hold conflicting views on where aid should go and are as equally inconsistent as those you're trying to malign.

It's a moot point anyways, because you've already been proven wrong. You started out saying that nobody that wants aid cut off from Ukraine would say the same about Israel. You were proven wrong immediately, but are pretending to have not been. Just go in the Israel thread if you want to be proven wrong even more. Otherwise, I don't know what your goal is here, other than hang on to some preconceived notion you have(that was immediately proven false) about people being hypocrites over where the money goes.

 

[KnightTemplar]

The UK admitted it has less than two months of ammo if they went to war with Russia, not to mention a population either disillusioned with their shit government or migrants that wouldn't fight for the country. Germanys army is in no better shape. I think this sounds like the type of confidence napoleon or hitler had before being ground up on the steppe

Sweden has the largest artillery forces in Europe, I believe. The Finns kill Russians for fun. In a hypothetical scenario where the Orcs start invading Western nations, the UK, France and Germany would push through emergency laws to put their respective nations on a war footing. Military production would be prioritised.

The Russians are not great soldiers. They are brutal, to their enemies and themselves. A near limitless supply of cannon-fodder and a willingness to shove it into the meat grinder makes them dangerous. But hardly unbeatable. They lost 10% of their population during WWII, and that was with the Nazis fighting America, the British Commonwealth and various other nations at the same time.

 

[SRN]

I am 100% certain it's a tattoo. Desperate goth bottom bitches used to do shit like that back in the day. Has anyone ever seen him without it?

lol That would be too fun but it isn't. It's pretty easy to tell when it's a "permanent makeup" aka tattoo because they turn gray with time. He has naturally black and thick lashes, it's not common on white man but it's not fake. It does look like eyeliner though lol

 

[MrShady]

For one, it's not as simple as that. Some allies are more valuable than others.

The thing is, you think you're making some profound point, but are just engaging in some lame gotcha attempt, that you have conveniently excluded yourself from, even though you yourself hold conflicting views on where aid should go and are as equally inconsistent as those you're trying to malign.

It's a moot point anyways, because you've already been proven wrong. You started out saying that nobody that wants aid cut off from Ukraine would say the same about Israel. You were proven wrong immediately, but are pretending to have not been. Just go in the Israel thread if you want to be proven wrong even more. Otherwise, I don't know what your goal is here, other than hang on to some preconceived notion you have(that was immediately proven false) about people being hypocrites over where the money goes.

How is Israel your ally? What benefits does this relationship give to America? Give me hard data or facts.

Dont try and change what I said. Which is Trump/Vance would never talk to Netanyahu like they did to Zelensky. And that if we made 2 threads with each giving billions in aid to Ukraine and Israel, the Ukraine thread would get more backlash. Do you dispute this?

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I don't see how anyone objective could say that Zelensky came across looking better. You need to be gracious as a guest and especially when you're asking for money and you really need it. But I think that he already decided to write the US off as an aid partner due to the mineral deal (a bad peace is worse than continued war for Zelensky), and probably got security guarantees from Europe already. So I think that he was going in to purposely cause a stir

You’re misguided or misinformed. He publicly agreed to the minerals deal then called an audible on NATO….in public ….and got rightfully treated like a child Hes being urged by NATO to make amends. They don’t really want this smoke

and he will.

 

[William Huggins]

China is the real winner.......

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Sweden has the largest artillery forces in Europe, I believe. The Finns kill Russians for fun. In a hypothetical scenario where the Orcs start invading Western nations, the UK, France and Germany would push through emergency laws to put their respective nations on a war footing. Military production would be prioritised.

The Russians are not great soldiers. They are brutal, to their enemies and themselves. A near limitless supply of cannon-fodder and a willingness to shove it into the meat grinder makes them dangerous. But hardly unbeatable. They lost 10% of their population during WWII, and that was with the Nazis fighting America, the British Commonwealth and various other nations at the same time.

I don't get where you heard that from re Sweden. A quick Google returns

"According to available information, the Swedish artillery force currently consists of around 26 self-propelled Archer howitzers, making up the bulk of their active artillery pieces, alongside a smaller number of towed and mortar systems, totaling to approximately 254 artillery pieces in total."

The UK admits they can't even build barrels for the challenger tanks anymore. I think moving to a war footing would be easier said than done, if only our wise leaders hadn't been happy to outsource so much industry while focusing on babysitting the 3rd world

 

[SRN]

China is the real winner.......

For the past 20 years or so, yes.

 

[Seano]

How is Israel your ally? What benefits does this relationship give to America? Give me hard data or facts.

Technical Difficulties

Not sure why the link says "technical difficulties" Its a link to the US embassy's page in Israel.

 

[Andy Capp]

lol That would be too fun but it isn't. It's pretty easy to tell when it's a "permanent makeup" aka tattoo because they turn gray with time. He has naturally black and thick lashes, it's not common on white man but it's not fake. It does look like eyeliner though lol

Riiiiiiight....

 

[William Huggins]

For the past 20 years or so, yes.

Unless this mess is cleared up and Russia brought in from the cold, China will continue........

 

[HereticBD]

How is Israel your ally? What benefits does this relationship give to America? Give me hard data or facts.

I'm not your history teacher. The information is freely out there for you to research. Let's just say that they're a very key strategic ally in the region. Far more than Ukraine.

Dont try and change what I said. Which is Trump/Vance would never talk to Netanyahu like they did to Zelensky.

Would depend on the circumstances of the meeting. Bibi wouldn't talk to them like Zelenski did, either.

And that if we made 2 threads with each giving billions in aid to Ukraine and Israel, the Ukraine thread would get more backlash. Do you dispute this?

Yes, I do dispute that. In fact, the Israel thread is kind of a weird one, where people who you would never think would waiver from their ideological turf, do. There's a whole new dynamic in that thread, where it's not really driven by ideology, where the right and left make for some strange bedfellows in their support or denouncement of Israel.

That said, I don't think a thread on either subject would get more than 10 pages of activity. This thread(and the other one) is only big, because of the Jerry Springer shit. Not because of some nuanced discussion over who deserves aid.

 

[Cole train]

Sweden has the largest artillery forces in Europe, I believe. The Finns kill Russians for fun. In a hypothetical scenario where the Orcs start invading Western nations, the UK, France and Germany would push through emergency laws to put their respective nations on a war footing. Military production would be prioritised.

The Russians are not great soldiers. They are brutal, to their enemies and themselves. A near limitless supply of cannon-fodder and a willingness to shove it into the meat grinder makes them dangerous. But hardly unbeatable. They lost 10% of their population during WWII, and that was with the Nazis fighting America, the British Commonwealth and various other nations at the same time.

Finland or romania has largest artillery in europe if i recall

Sweden has enough military to defend stockholm and thats it.Organization is basically designed as finlands support.

 

[MrShady]

I'm not your history teacher. The information is freely out there for you to research. Let's just say that they're a very key strategic ally in the region. Far more than Ukraine.

Would depend on the circumstances of the meeting. Bibi wouldn't talk to them like Zelenski did, either.

Yes, I do dispute that. In fact, the Israel thread is kind of a weird one, where people who you would never think would waiver from their ideological turf, do. There's a whole new dynamic in that thread, where it's not really driven by ideology, where the right and left make for some strange bedfellows in their support or denouncement of Israel.

That said, I don't think a thread on either subject would get more than 10 pages of activity. This thread(and the other one) is only big, because of the Jerry Springer shit. Not because of some nuanced discussion over who deserves aid.

Thanks for the discussion. We will agree to disagree on Israel being an ally for the US citizens. Last question.

Any thoughts on the USS Liberty incident?