Trump-Ukraine Megathread V8

[Confucamus]

Dude, that is the whole point of a whistelblower program. If their identity was revealed they would be mobbed by attacks from all angles and in many cases their lives literally put in danger. The point is to give people a safe outlet to inform folks of wrong doing.



Well, quid pro quo was basically confirmed. Trump was impeachable before that but it is icing on the cake.


Wth are you talking about man? No smoking gun is needed if you cop to the "crime". Crime here meaning high crimes and misdemeanors, which include blatant abuse of power.

Trump should be removed from office immediately. This is all way worse than the Mueller stuff.

"Basically confirmed"?

 

[kpt018]

"Basically confirmed"?

Yes, according to reporting. I obviously wasn't in the room bud. But at least two people confirmed it.

 

[Gundarmyx]

^^^^^ Keep Hope Alive....

Trump is not getting removed from office and will get re-elected.

That's one thing you really fail to grasp : No matter what happens, Trump is not getting removed from office and this won't affect his re-election chances.

Plus, the quote you put up doesn't specify "independents"....hmm.... Looks to be another made-up Poll that over-represents the Democrats (same ol', same ol').

I know how much this pains you to hear but 4-more-years is going to be a reality in 2020.

What about this poll?
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3645

Much worse for trump than the one you posted

 

[kpt018]

What about this poll?
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3645

Much worse for trump than the one you posted

Wow. Support for impeachment continues to grow.

 

[MikeMcMann]

So do I have this straight?
Republicans stormed the room for political theater, complaining about being shut out of the process, when there were Republicans already in the room and part of the process?

Its even more laughable than that.

A large number of the Republicans who 'stormed' the room demanding entry are on the committees who have full access to attend and could have walked in and attended at any point.

They stormed into the room they had the right to attend.



It was pure theatre and proof of why they want these hearings opened up so that they can turn the entire proceeding into something voting citizens will turn off due to ridiculousness. With the hearings being closed they are effective due to the lack of theatre and the Repubs hate that.

 

[MikeMcMann]

"Attorney General of the United States, William P. Barr, a lawyer registered with the American Bar Association of New York and the District of Columbia (Registration Number: 4087250)."

If he is disbarred for conduct unbecoming and Bar Assoc. violations, that's a wrap. He is ex-communicado. He will no longer be allowed to practice law and I don't recall (correct me if I'm wrong here) anyone that has been disbarred ever holding the title of A.G. of the United States of America.

So, yeah...
It's kind of a big deal.

Well I hope New York Bar follows thru on this if Bill Barr refuses to address their concerns. It is part of their mandate. I am pretty sure they can call him in to a hearing and make him defend his decision making with regards to matters of law.

@panamaican and any other forum lawyers (sorry I never remember the rest) can you elaborate to what power a State Bar has with regards to holding lawyers to account if they see what they think are violations??

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Well I hope New York Bar follows thru on this if Bill Barr refuses to address their concerns. It is part of their mandate. I am pretty sure they can call him in to a hearing and make him defend his decision making with regards to matters of law.

@panamaican and any other forum lawyers (sorry I never remember the rest) can you elaborate to what power a State Bar has with regards to holding lawyers to account if they see what they think are violations??

I've never had to deal with OLR but my understanding is:

• Fine
• Some sort of counseling or training
• Suspension temporary
• Suspension permanent

 

[glenwo2]

Bunch of clowns...all of you leftist dipshits.

Keep on hoping for that "This is it" moment that will never arrive....

In the meantime, I so look forward to another 4 years of Trump.

 

[glenwo2]

Gosh the GOP looking like kids storming that place and the media agrees ... also

Except when the Republicans did it, they are villified or they are ignored by the Liberal Media.

When the Dems did it, it was glorified like a Martin Luther King Civil Rights march... what a joke the MSM is. <Lmaoo>

 

[Shoemaker]

Related, there should be another Benghazi investigation

Someone needs to investigate how Jim from The Office ended up starring in the movie.

 

[*Z*]

So sounds like we'll never actually get to see/hear from this whistleblower ourselves, even though he was supposed to testify "this Thursday" a month ago? Last I heard plans were changing because he/she was hesitant to testify on camera, due to being "scared for his/her life" (which I found absurd), but again, that was a month ago. Seems like we'll never actually see this whistleblower at all at this pace, which I find, dubious, to say the least.

So nothing new except the two sentences in the phone call in regards to Trump directly? I remember the "can you look into something" line in the transcript, but thought there would be more after all this chatter, people storming places, lots of yelling, etc.


I was hoping some time off this story would have shed new details, but nothing appears changed. Doesn't sound like the Smoking Gun at all that was originally advertised. Reminds me a lot of the Cohen nonsense when everyone wouldn't shut up about "Trump is going to jail, this is it", only for Cohen to go down and the best we got was Trump having unprotected sex. I'll try this again during V15 or so.

You didn't read what I suggested. That much is obvious.

 

[Ophydian]

I think their point was that they should've been allowed to at least sit in for the "process" to observe what is happening.

Even if other Republicans were there, they were the only ones who could participate and there would've been no harm in letting other Republicans to simply sit down, keep their mouths shut, and listen to what was being said.

Yes because Gaetz would had sat there and shut up. Who are you?

 

[Rational Poster]

So sounds like we'll never actually get to see/hear from this whistleblower ourselves, even though he was supposed to testify "this Thursday" a month ago? Last I heard plans were changing because he/she was hesitant to testify on camera, due to being "scared for his/her life" (which I found absurd), but again, that was a month ago. Seems like we'll never actually see this whistleblower at all at this pace, which I find, dubious, to say the least.

So nothing new except the two sentences in the phone call in regards to Trump directly? I remember the "can you look into something" line in the transcript, but thought there would be more after all this chatter, people storming places, lots of yelling, etc.


I was hoping some time off this story would have shed new details, but nothing appears changed. Doesn't sound like the Smoking Gun at all that was originally advertised. Reminds me a lot of the Cohen nonsense when everyone wouldn't shut up about "Trump is going to jail, this is it", only for Cohen to go down and the best we got was Trump having unprotected sex. I'll try this again during V15 or so.

Cohen went to jail for committing campaign finance felonies and bank fraud FOR Trump with his full knowledge and for the benefit of the Trump campaign.

Trump is the unindicted co-conspirator in that case.

 

[Ophydian]

Wow, this is very stupid. You know how many republicans there are in the house? Any number of the couple hundred representatives should be able to show up to a testimony like this and waltz in so nobody feels left out?

Stop being such a dummy.

He’s being disingenuous and doesn’t care honestly. He knows there are procedures he just wants people to act like children because something.

 

[Ophydian]

First question : NO. In fact, Schiff had stated that the Whistleblower would never show him or herself but instead will provide WRITTEN ANSWERS.

So to this date, we have no clue who the whistleblower is or what he or she looks like.

It's a complete sham orchestrated by Schiff, imo


Second Question : There is none but the Dems will go through with impeachment regardless 'cause they are STUPID.

I guarantee if this moves to the Senate, the whistleblower will be known and will be heard.

 

[Ophydian]

Republicans that disagree with him are Human Scum now... LOL

Trump sounds like an Islamic extremist. What is worse than an infidel? A Muslim who conspires with infidels.

 

[MMAisGod]

Dude, that is the whole point of a whistelblower program. If their identity was revealed they would be mobbed by attacks from all angles and in many cases their lives literally put in danger. The point is to give people a safe outlet to inform folks of wrong doing.



Well, quid pro quo was basically confirmed. Trump was impeachable before that but it is icing on the cake.


Wth are you talking about man? No smoking gun is needed if you cop to the "crime". Crime here meaning high crimes and misdemeanors, which include blatant abuse of power.

Trump should be removed from office immediately. This is all way worse than the Mueller stuff.

Remove the emotion, stick to hard facts. What you or I think of Trump is irrelevant. You're saying things like "basically confirmed", but that is not the same as "proven and confirmed". If nothing has changed in the last month, then we're literally at the exact same position.

Everything I have seen is "put the picture together", which is vastly different than "look at this absolute fact that would easily convict". I have seen/watched whistleblowers testimonies, interviews, etc, on numerous occasions, some even in threads in the WR, so I don't know what you mean there. Also, we were explicitly told he/she was going to testify and be present, only for it to change to whatever it is now. It hasn't been consistent at all.

You didn't read what I suggested. That much is obvious.

I can't, I'm at work. But if you have something that is absolute, direct in regards to Trump, rather than 3rd parties and such, I'm all ears. It's literally what I'm asking for.

Cohen went to jail for committing campaign finance felonies and bank fraud FOR Trump with his full knowledge and for the benefit of the Trump campaign.

Trump is the unindicted co-conspirator in that case.

Point being, the whole "this is it" non-stop charade ended up being a massive waste of time since Orange Man is still running his gimmick while Cohen is the only one who "went down".

 

[hillelslovak87]

Bunch of clowns...all of you leftist dipshits.

Keep on hoping for that "This is it" moment that will never arrive....

In the meantime, I so look forward to another 4 years of Trump.

Trigged Glen.....

 

[Ophydian]

Remove the emotion, stick to hard facts. What you or I think of Trump is irrelevant. You're saying things like "basically confirmed", but that is not the same as "proven and confirmed". If nothing has changed in the last month, then we're literally at the exact same position.

Everything I have seen is "put the picture together", which is vastly different than "look at this absolute fact that would easily convict". I have seen/watched whistleblowers testimonies, interviews, etc, on numerous occasions, some even in threads in the WR, so I don't know what you mean there. Also, we were explicitly told he/she was going to testify and be present, only for it to change to whatever it is now. It hasn't been consistent at all.



I can't, I'm at work. But if you have something that is absolute, direct in regards to Trump, rather than 3rd parties and such, I'm all ears. It's literally what I'm asking for.



Point being, the whole "this is it" non-stop charade ended up being a massive waste of time since Orange Man is still running his gimmick while Cohen is the only one who "went down".

So you are basically saying your initial question about not following what’s been going on since V2 is bullshit because as you said “everything I’ve see” means you weren’t genuinely asking to be informed on the latest facts at hand.

 

[kpt018]

Remove the emotion, stick to hard facts. What you or I think of Trump is irrelevant.

Those were facts, so you're off to a bad start.

You're saying things like "basically confirmed", but that is not the same as "proven and confirmed". If nothing has changed in the last month, then we're literally at the exact same position.

Facepalm.

My statement is that at least 2 (but probably several more) witnesses confirmed that there was a quid pro quo. There is now evidence that the money was actually held in order to get Ukraine to revive a CT that Ukraine was behind the server attacks (not Russia).

Everything I have seen is "put the picture together", which is vastly different than "look at this absolute fact that would easily convict". I have seen/watched whistleblowers testimonies, interviews, etc, on numerous occasions, some even in threads in the WR, so I don't know what you mean there. Also, we were explicitly told he/she was going to testify and be present, only for it to change to whatever it is now. It hasn't been consistent at all.

You're making a terrible mistake. We are not saying crimes were committed that would land him in jail here (Mueller did layout 10 counts of obstruction that would qualify) we are saying that he should be impeached.

And what are you talking about when you say it "hasn't been consistent"? Witnesses confirmed what we knew - Trump held back funds that were approved by Congress that were supposed to go to Ukraine for defense in order to revive a CT and to get dirt on Joe Biden. It's massively corrupt (hard to get more corrupt, quite frankly) and he should be removed.

And I like you man, but I have to point out you saying that "nothing has developed, call me when there's a smoking gun" is brain dead stupid. What we already know is a slam dunk case for impeachment. Hard stop.