Trump-Ukraine Megathread V8

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Okay so we're basically reduced to being douchenozzles, I see.

This conversation is done.

Have a nice day, dickwad.

Don't be like that.
What is it with people ITT making assertions and then getting bent out of shape when asked to confirm those assertions?
Christ almighty.

 

[ScottE]

Again. This is a grand jury decision being defined as convicting someone of something. Or the House passing something as the law when it fails in the Senate. The House vote is the first part of the process.

Last time I feel the need to point this out. If people want to believe the House vote is impeachment, then so be it. It's certainly not. Except maybe in the definition of pundits and the media.

Your comparison shows how incorrect your position is.

Grand juries return indictments. Indictments may or may not lead to convictions at trial.

Impeachment by the House is akin to an indictment. It may or may not lead to a removal from office via trial by the Senate.

But just because you weren't convicted doesn't mean you weren't indicted. And just because no president has been removed doesn't mean they weren't impeached.

 

[trident]

And I'm what I'm trying to tell you is that impeachment means being convicted and removed from office. Not the House voting to impeach someone in the first part of the impeachment process.

You're wrong and you dont know what impeachment is





im·peach·ment
/imˈpēCHmənt/
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noun

1. the action of calling into question the integrity or validity of something.
   "the prosecutor's detailed impeachment of the character witness"
   • BRITISH
     a charge of treason or another crime against the state.
     "the king cynically abandoned him, encouraging his impeachment"
   • US
     a charge of misconduct made against the holder of a public office.
     "the president is facing impeachment over the scandal

 

[Strychnine]

that's not my point.

My point is that this is absolutely still under the control of the Democrats.

Everything they do, it's for the sole purpose of discrediting Trump for the 2020 Elections.

They know he's not getting removed by the Senate so they're pulling this shit.

I'm not naive like some out there....I know what's really happening here.

No one's "pulling" anything. Laws have been broken and by the WH's own admission, they've broken the law. We should just go "Nah, mane... It's all good."?

If anyone's to blame for this, it's the blame of the Stable Genius in Chief. HE DID THIS.

 

[KeepItRealist]

You're wrong and you dont know what impeachment is





im·peach·ment
/imˈpēCHmənt/
Learn to pronounce
noun

1. the action of calling into question the integrity or validity of something.
   "the prosecutor's detailed impeachment of the character witness"
   • BRITISH
     a charge of treason or another crime against the state.
     "the king cynically abandoned him, encouraging his impeachment"
   • US
     a charge of misconduct made against the holder of a public office.
     "the president is facing impeachment over the scandal

That definitely refutes me and the Constitution. I'm not going to bother trying to explain the impeachment process to people who prefer a CNN pundit's view on the matter. If you want to consider the House vote the end of the matter, so be it. It's not, but people can cite a grand jury decision if they wish.

 

[trident]

That definitely refutes me and the Constitution. I'm not going to bother trying to explain the impeachment process by people who prefer a CNN pundit's view on the matter. If you want to consider the House vote the end of the matter, so be it. It's not, but people can cite a grand jury decision if they wish.

The Constitution says you're butt fucking wrong too dude.

Impeachment is a CHARGE you dim wit

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

If these were open door sessions, we'd be calling it political theater, yes?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

That definitely refutes me and the Constitution. I'm not going to bother trying to explain the impeachment process to people who prefer a CNN pundit's view on the matter. If you want to consider the House vote the end of the matter, so be it. It's not, but people can cite a grand jury decision if they wish.

If you want to keep citing the Constitution, find the relevant passage and cite that, and then stop bitching.

 

[*Z*]

If these were open door sessions, we'd be calling it political theater, yes?

One side certainly would.

 

[Strychnine]

Bill Taylor's statement is a personal opinion. It's not evidence of anything. The absurdity of it.

Again. Even the House GOP establishment is calling his testimony nothing. What does that say? That impeachment is going nowhere.

The man brought his text messages to Sondheim and presented them as evidence. Text messages are considered electronic records and are admissible as evidence.

 

[zebby23]

Trumps former attorney general. Abuse of power is not a crime

problem is these clowns have no humility at all. They don’t care that in 20 years our kids will be writing essays on how fucking stupid these people are.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

problem is these clowns have no humility at all. They don’t care that in 20 years our kids will be writing essays on how fucking stupid these people are.

... or acting just like them.

 

[Sycho Sid]

... or acting just like them.

That is my big fear

 

[zebby23]

Holy shit. This is where we are now folks. Trumps attorney says Trump can shoot someone and get away with it

 

[sdpdude9]

Lol, this dude still doesn’t understand what impeachment is and still thinks he’s right despite being proven wrong numerous times.

Republicans want to muddy the definition of impeachment, it’s why they insist on using it akin to removal of office. They want to be able to shout “no impeachment!” So they can frame it as a failure for the democrats if the senate doesn’t convict.

Trump will almost definitely be impeached. Removal from office at this point is unlikely, but seems more likely every day.

 

[zebby23]

Republicans in congress are in full meltdown mode

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Holy shit. This is where we are now folks. Trumps attorney says Trump can shoot someone and get away with it

Bullshit.
This has to be fake news, or there needs to be a stronger word than enabler to describe this shit show

 

[vengeful]

Again. This is a grand jury decision being defined as convicting someone of something. Or the House passing something as the law when it fails in the Senate. The House vote is the first part of the process.

Last time I feel the need to point this out. If people want to believe the House vote is impeachment, then so be it. It's certainly not. Except maybe in the definition of pundits and the media.

No you doufus. Impeachment = grand jury deciding to indict someone. The Senate voting on impeachment = jury deciding on guilt or innocence. Regardless if he's convicted or not in the Senate he was still indicted (impeached).

 

[ShadowRun]

I swear I get so lost in these threads. Are we all reading and seeing the same things? People complain about secret hearings and how they are unfair for Republicans when there are Republicans in the room. Things have to be secret we have dude in the white house who thinks he is a mob boss.There is a phone transcript that suggest quid pro quo and then multiple people have confirmed that is what was happening. Yet we have people that say the truth is not the truth.

 

[sdpdude9]

Republicans in congress are in full meltdown mode

No quid pro quo means it’s not illegal! Oh there was? Makes no difference.

Setting the bar and when it’s surpassed moving the goalposts. They couldn’t make it any more clear they care more about maintaining power than the rule of law.