Trump-Ukraine Megathread V7

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

There is never a "right" time but there are absolutely better and worse times. My understanding is our involvement there was quite minimal and our involvement was mostly related to training, arming, strategy, etc.. I think Trump only moved less than 100 troops.

This is not related to your post but Trump apparently sent around 2,000 troops to Saudi Arabia, squashing the idea that this is about lowering our military involvement in the world.

https://time.com/5700683/us-troops-leaving-syria/

(WASHINGTON) –– A U.S. official says the approximately 1,000 U.S. troops being withdrawn from northern Syria will reposition in Iraq, Kuwait and possibly Jordan.

 

[zebby23]

It's overused, but I find sources bumbling their way into it too often.
Just recently a source (CNN?) did a story on Syria and used doctored footage from a shooting range.
That's lazy journalism.
And you can blame the graphics people, but it shouldn't have gotten to publication.

Right but they came out and admitted they were wrong. That’s not fake news unless they did it on purpose. I won’t even discredit all of Fox even though they are the kings of misinformation. I see a story on their website and then go somewhere else to verify. The right is just extremely lazy and they simply don’t like stories so it’s fake news

 

[kpt018]

https://time.com/5700683/us-troops-leaving-syria/

(WASHINGTON) –– A U.S. official says the approximately 1,000 U.S. troops being withdrawn from northern Syria will reposition in Iraq, Kuwait and possibly Jordan.

Well, things change quickly. Obviously they're not coming home like some people want to believe.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Right but they came out and admitted they were wrong. That’s not fake news unless they did it on purpose. I won’t even discredit all of Fox even though they are the kings of misinformation. I see a story on their website and then go somewhere else to verify. The right is just extremely lazy and they simply don’t like stories so it’s fake news

See, my issue with it is that "fake news" as a term has been broadened to generally sloppy journalism. And that kind of shit shouldn't be happening in major outlets. They pay people to make sure it doesn't happen.

It almost takes willful stupidity.

 

[kpt018]

See, my issue with it is that "fake news" as a term has been broadened to generally sloppy journalism. And that kind of shit shouldn't be happening in major outlets. They pay people to make sure it doesn't happen.

It almost takes willful stupidity.

It's been broadened even further than that. It is used by the president to describe accurate reporting that is critical of him. It's purely a technique used to discredit news that people don't like.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

It's been broadened even further than that. It is used by the president to describe accurate, but reporting that is critical of him. It's purely a technique used to discredit news that people don't like.

It was. And it was obvious.

But outlets have been bumbling into the label at a time when they should be meticulous. It's stupid.

 

[TheGreatA]

There is never a "right" time but there are absolutely better and worse times. My understanding is our involvement there was quite minimal and our involvement was mostly related to training, arming, strategy, etc.. I think Trump only moved less than 100 troops.

This is not related to your post but Trump apparently sent around 2,000 troops to Saudi Arabia, squashing the idea that this is about lowering our military involvement in the world.

When Obama left, it appeared to be one of those better times. Yet it led to chaos and conflict regardless.

The Kurds would've expected air support from the Americans against Turkey. But lets be realistic here. Turkey is a NATO ally. Are the Americans truly going to fight against a country that they've forged a military pact with? Is it preferable to risk one of those 100 troops being a casualty of Turkish aggression, or rather just move them away from the chessboard?

I'm sure that this is difficult for many Americans to fathom, due to media portrayals, but it is Turkey that is in fact, America's official ally, whereas the Kurds have largely been officially denounced as terrorists (which, to be fair, they have been, with suicide bombings targeting civilians, etc.). To support the Kurds against Turks would in fact be America going against its "promises", its official policy, and not vice versa. And we are talking about long-term policy, not just short-term "convenient allies" in a fight against a bigger villain (ISIS).

Now I can personally fully agree that Turkey is a villain here, but I've been saying that for a very long time. Which is why I believe they should not belong in NATO. But they do. And since people seem to be very fond of NATO (even if Trump himself may not have been), they have to live with those loyalties, above whatever loyalties are only forged out of circumstances (such as those with the Kurds).

 

[zebby23]

See, my issue with it is that "fake news" as a term has been broadened to generally sloppy journalism. And that kind of shit shouldn't be happening in major outlets. They pay people to make sure it doesn't happen.

It almost takes willful stupidity.

i don’t know. So many people doing so many things and the news cycle moved faster than ever. I hear ya but mistakes are bound to happen

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

i don’t know. So many people doing so many things and the news cycle moved faster than ever. I hear ya but mistakes are bound to happen

Sure.
It's just, they're making trump's bullshit look true.

 

[zebby23]

Sure.
It's just, they're making trump's bullshit look true.

I don’t know about that: anyone with a brain knows 2 things. The media has a bias and Trump is a lying, incompetent charlatan. Both can be true

 

[44nutman]

Trump has done more damage to our foreign policy than any other President of my lifetime.
He makes us look weak.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Trump has done more damage to our foreign policy than any other President of my lifetime.
He makes us look weak.

Asking other countries to help him win politically doesn't make our country look strong, for sure.
Cuck snowflake.

 

[kpt018]

When Obama left, it appeared to be one of those better times. Yet it led to chaos and conflict regardless.

The Kurds would've expected air support from the Americans against Turkey. But lets be realistic here. Turkey is a NATO ally. Are the Americans truly going to fight against a country that they've forged a military pact with? Is it preferable to risk one of those 100 troops being a casualty of Turkish aggression, or rather just move them away from the chessboard?

I'm sure that this is difficult for many Americans to fathom, due to media portrayals, but it is Turkey that is in fact, America's official ally, whereas the Kurds have largely been officially denounced as terrorists (which, to be fair, they have been, with suicide bombings targeting civilians, etc.). To support the Kurds against Turks would in fact be America going against its "promises", its official policy, and not vice versa. And we are talking about long-term policy, not just short-term "convenient allies" in a fight against a bigger villain (ISIS).

Now I can personally fully agree that Turkey is a villain here, but I've been saying that for a very long time. Which is why I believe they should not belong in NATO. But they do. And since people seem to be very fond of NATO (even if Trump himself may not have been), they have to live with those loyalties, above whatever loyalties are only forged out of circumstances (such as those with the Kurds).

I don't have an issue with keeping peace between two groups/countries that we call allies and I find the arguments against pulling out pretty compelling (people are dying and will continue to die, we lose influence with allies, etc.). Otherwise, I don't really have an opinion (foreign policy is really complicated and morally muddy and we don't have near the information we need to decide in most cases). My only point was we shouldn't just haphazardly pull out because there's never a right time, which I'm sure you agree with.

And the idea that Trump is just pulling out of all foreign conflicts seems bogus. We sent troops to Saudi Arabia and simply moved the troops that were located in Syria.

 

[Bob Arctor]

If you don't care, why are you adding that to the discussion?

Not adding to so much as shitting on

I'm sure you lay awake at night worrying about the kurds.....not.

 

[glenwo2]

You can’t define other people mortals.

We can't define their morals either.

 

[Joe]

The presidents lawyer was in charge of Ukraine policy. this is fine

 

[Confucamus]

Getting interesting.

 

[glenwo2]

@glenwo2 You wrote "This is not real, imo.

It looks as FAKE as a Porn Star's Boobs. (except a Porn Star's Boobs looks better than this crappy letter with poor grammar.)" in response to Trump's letter to Erdogan.

If it's real will you disavow Trump? Or was it so embarrassingly dimwitted that you can't bring yourself to believe it, but if it's true, it's really not that bad now that you think about it?

V6

Sincerely,

(squiggly lines that don't say who it's from) <puh-lease75>


Yeah, I think it's fake. Any Dems intern could type up this shit.

Hell...any Sherdogger here can type up this shit.

So yeah. I definitely believe this is fake-as-fuck.

And to answer your question, LB, it's a moot point 'cause it's not real.

There is no "IF" scenario for me.

I just view this as just another of a long line of anti-trump bullshit.

 

[glenwo2]

Getting interesting.

That Censure is looking better and better....

 

[Happy Man]

Getting interesting.

behind closed doors in secrecy.

civil war coming. About dang time.

I suggest you read up on the war games on this, and YouTube stratcoms “core American areas”. It’s ain’t blue states lol.