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Crime Trump-Ukraine Megathread v4

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How is it appropriate to ask The President's lawyer to investigate anything. Rudy trying to cover his ass but let's wait and see if they offer up a scapegoat.
Rudy's role in this is actually the most damning.

As Trump's personal lawyer he actually has an obligation to bias. He has to act in the best interest of his client and fashioning arguments that benefit him, including 'alternative theories'.

He actually has an obligation to NOT be objective. So him out looking for evidence and framing what they want to see and hear is very damning.
 
Chris Collins was in the news last week. He is resigning because he was busted for insider trading. Has Trump talked about this corruption?

If trump wants transparency, why hasn’t he released his tax returns?
 
Chris Collins was in the news last week. He is resigning because he was busted for insider trading. Has Trump talked about this corruption?

If trump wants transparency, why hasn’t he released his tax returns?

He tweeted about it last year

 
A stable of geniuses



This is who you are getting talking points from, this guy? Who’s literally holding fake affidavit to talk about his alternative facts. When you guys stop letting these guys make you out to be stupid. You don’t have to lube up for each fish hook.
 
Fella, I'm not sure why you think that your personal fantasies have anything to do with reality..... but the reality is that Biden is a front-runner in the Democratic party since he entered the race. Trump has and is trying to get foreign countries to dig up dirt on him. That is illegal, and for that Trump should be impeached. It's that simple. Your feelings mean absolutely nothing here.

Lol, trying to uncover a criminal :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile’s crimes is illegal?
Trump won’t get impeached, he will get re-elected, and the :eek::eek::eek::eek:cult that is the Democratic Party will continue to go down. Wake up.
 
I realize this is not the case in the Trump and Ukraine. I was wondering what should be done in a hypothetical situation.

What should a president do if he thinks a rival has gone to another country to have sex with kids?

If he turns over the information over to the CIA first and DOJ first then asks the leader of that country to look into it, would that be legal? I am wondering how the Fec law works is all.


Well the first question one would ask is 'how did the info get to POTUS?'

Its not like POTUS is an investigator out looking for wrong doing.


So look at the Trump/Mueller Investigation. As that one followed the proper path.

- Information comes into a low level operative (FBI, CIA, NSA, Other)
- thru that channel it is raised up the flag poll at each stage with seniors trying to verify or disregard based on evidence
- If it requires more resources and deeper investigation and seems to have sensitivity it may hit someone like the AG's desk for a review
- At all stages checks are done if anyone needs to recuse due to potential bias or conflict
- then and only then would it typically be pushed up to POTUS if serious enough.


At each stage as it escalates it does so thru a process that is transparent and verifiable and documented within the agencies such that if any audit need be done to check why or how it was pursued that info is available.

That is the exact opposite of the Trump/Biden accusation which started with Trump at the top and has Rudy doing the leg work in the most obscure way possible.
 
When I look at a situation like this I don’t listen only but I see what is being done. If Trump really has info on Joe then open an investigation so that evidence can be tried. Screaming there is a crime yet not forcing an investigation tells me all I need to know. Trump does not care about the conclusion of an investigation or if Joe actually did anything wrong. All Trump wants to do is draw false equivalence between himself and Biden so that when people question Trumps behavior they will also have to question Joes. Actually bringing this to an investigation would be the worst thing that could happen because then Trump would be forced to act.
"Screaming there was a crime"... that's exaggerated, but I understand what you're sayin.
 
Sure. Im melting away. Lol

Meanwhile, dude is scouring Twitter 24/7 for any little tweet he can find, and posts them on Sherdog, and likely twenty other forums he belongs to, thinking it will make a difference.

Just think of the work he's putting in on this. It's hilarious.
 
Just a reminder how it looks when you guys chase all those rabbits down those twisted truth holes and the fake ones too.

 
I'm starting to think Trump's interests in Ukraine weren't really about corruption

https://apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5...n=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — As Rudy Giuliani was pushing Ukrainian officials last spring to investigate one of Donald Trump’s main political rivals, a group of individuals with ties to the president and his personal lawyer were also active in the former Soviet republic.

Their aims were profit, not politics. This circle of businessmen and Republican donors touted connections to Giuliani and Trump while trying to install new management at the top of Ukraine’s massive state gas company. Their plan was to then steer lucrative contracts to companies controlled by Trump allies, according to two people with knowledge of their plans.
 
Just a reminder how it looks when you guys chase all those rabbits down those twisted truth holes and the fake ones too.



I remember that an FBI investigation into Kavanaugh lasted a mere ten days, and they failed to follow up on another accusation with a list of like 2 dozen possible case witnesses.

I also remember Mitch Mcconnell shitting on his duties in the Senate and refusing to go forth with a vote on Merrick Garland.
 
"Screaming there was a crime"... that's exaggerated, but I understand what you're sayin.

I don’t think so. He’s been literally yelling it at anyone who will listen. The President of the US has to yell at people to say there was a crime committed because he has yet to provide an ounce of evidence and because 62% of the population either do not believe him when he talks or is skeptical of the things he says.
 
I'm starting to think Trump's interests in Ukraine weren't really about corruption

https://apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5...n=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — As Rudy Giuliani was pushing Ukrainian officials last spring to investigate one of Donald Trump’s main political rivals, a group of individuals with ties to the president and his personal lawyer were also active in the former Soviet republic.

Their aims were profit, not politics. This circle of businessmen and Republican donors touted connections to Giuliani and Trump while trying to install new management at the top of Ukraine’s massive state gas company. Their plan was to then steer lucrative contracts to companies controlled by Trump allies, according to two people with knowledge of their plans.

Oh that’s from the AP, kind of hard to trash them.
 
Trump is going to defect to Russia. It's that bad. Quote me. It's going to happen the day he loses the presidency by either abandonment, impeachment or electoral loss.
 
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