Crime Trump-Ukraine Megathread v4

[andnowweknow]

well he can, just not bring to the floor: he can literally ignore it. I mean, it’s not how the founders would have wanted it and it’s completely unethical but after all, it’s congressional Republicans we are talking about. They don’t have an ounce of ethics or respect for the constitution

He actually has to hold a trial, and has already said as much on TV. He could always backtrack I guess...

 

[Trotsky]

Why would you capitalize Countries?

Because he's a Fucking idiot.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Biden = Felicity Huffman
Trump = Lori Loughlin

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

The moment you've all been waiting for!!!!

I don't think any of us want the president to publicly ask other countries for help to win him OUR election.
Ours. THIS country.


The United States of America, for the understandably confused. I also forget Trump loves this country.

 

[franklinstower]

IF Trump were interested in rooting out corruption in general or even this type of corruption he would be focusing on the laws that allow it to happen and not on Biden. If you cant see that then you dont want too.

 

[MikeMcMann]

This should be on top of every thread because you know every trump supporter will say trump isn't doing anything illegal!

Yup. She came out and said this after Trump said to George Stephanopoulos that if Norwaaay had info he would take it. He said he thought it would not be illegal.

She came out and said 'lets make it clear, surprised i have to say this... yes its illegal'.

Now as Trump calls on China to investigate Bdien she has reposted it.

She is making it clear that Trump cannot hide behind 'ignorance of the law' which is one of the reason Mueller cited for why he did not proceed with a Campaign Finance felony charge. He said he could not establish they actually knew the law.

Trump now has no such excuse. If the Mueller investigation was not enough to teach him its against the law, then her statements should. If they don't then Don McGahn's statement should. At a certain point if you are told over and over its on you to comprehend it.

 

[kpt018]

IF Trump were interested in rooting out corruption in general or even this type of corruption he would be focusing on the laws that allow it to happen and not on Biden. If you cant see that then you dont want too.

He would also, idk, maybe stop constantly acting in a corrupt way himself too.

The idea that Trump wants to stop corruption is like a drug dealer saying he wants to get drugs off the street.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

This should be a good thing for republicans. Trump isn’t even a conservative. That should have been the plan all along. Maybe it was.

 

[zebby23]

He actually has to hold a trial, and has already said as much on TV. He could always backtrack I guess...

he does not have to hold a trial and lol at taking Moscow Mitch at his word. Senate rules say he has to hold a trial but since when do Republicans care about rules and procedures?

 

[Jack V Savage]

So switch the roles if you want, but then Pretend that Trump is about to run against Obama, and Obama asks the Ukraine to drum up information to discredit him.

Remember how upset people were that Loretta Lynch chatted with Bill Clinton after a chance meeting? Bill wasn't the president and Lynch wasn't handling the investigation, but that still sent the right-wing outrage machine into Lucy mode. Now the same people who were fired up by that are acting like, "what's the big deal if the president is influencing not only his own DOJ in a corrupt way but also using gov't resources to extort other countries into helping him with politically motivated investigations?"

 

[MikeMcMann]

Trump play book is in full on mode now.

- Claim 'no crime. Fake news' and do everything to block discovery.
- as evidence trickles in showing he may have done it pivot to 'he did not do it, but it would not be a wrong or a crime if he did'
- once ironclad proof of crime comes out, claim 'others have done worse'. Shout 'whataboutisms'.
- as focus closes in on POTUS change to 'POTUS has an absolute right to do it and should do it. it is the right thing to do'

- wrap around all of the above that 'POTUS is the victim here. This continual focus on his repeated crimes is just wrong. Whatabout others crimes? We should ignore POTUS continually breaking the law and only focus on those POTUS points at.'


Cut, paste, repeat all of this when POTUS does the next illegal thing.

 

[sdpdude9]

Trump play book is in full on mode now.

- Claim 'no crime. Fake news'.
- as evidence trickles in showing he may have done it pivot to 'he did not do it, but it would not be a wrong or a crime if he did'
- once ironclad proof of crime comes out, claim 'others have done worse'. Shout 'whataboutisms'.
- as focus closes in on POTUS change to 'POTUS has an absolute right to do it and should do it. it is the right thing to do'

- wrap around all of the above that 'POTUS is the victim here. This continual focus on his repeated crimes is just wrong. Whatabout others crimes? We should ignore POTUS continually breaking the law and only focus on those POTUS points at.'


Cut, paste, repeat all of this when POTUS does the next illegal thing.

Like clockwork. We’re at the final steps of their spin cycle and we’re only a little over a week into the impeachment inquiry. Republicans talking points are going down in flames daily. I’m sure they’d still be fine with everything if a democrat was doing the same thing, though.

 

[MikeMcMann]

He would also, idk, maybe stop constantly acting in a corrupt way himself too.

The idea that Trump wants to stop corruption is like a drug dealer saying he wants to get drugs off the street by saying 'arrest my main competitor up the street there. Look he is selling drugs. Arrest him!' .

Agreed but with a slight fix

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Trump play book is in full on mode now.

- Claim 'no crime. Fake news'.
- as evidence trickles in showing he may have done it pivot to 'he did not do it, but it would not be a wrong or a crime if he did'
- once ironclad proof of crime comes out, claim 'others have done worse'. Shout 'whataboutisms'.
- as focus closes in on POTUS change to 'POTUS has an absolute right to do it and should do it. it is the right thing to do'

- wrap around all of the above that 'POTUS is the victim here. This continual focus on his repeated crimes is just wrong. Whatabout others crimes? We should ignore POTUS continually breaking the law and only focus on those POTUS points at.'


Cut, paste, repeat all of this when POTUS does the next illegal thing.

And remember folks, as soon as DJT is no longer president, this will all become suddenly a terrible thing for a POTUS to do

 

[TripleAz]

So much for the dems to go on but shifty Schiff goes up and lies and reads a parody memo. Lol any day now

 

[franklinstower]

And remember folks, as soon as DJT is no longer president, this will all become suddenly a terrible thing for a POTUS to do

We can hope so but one of the many dangers of the Trump presidency is a permanent degradation of our politicians and what the populace will accept.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

We can hope so but one of the many dangers of the Trump presidency is a permanent degradation of our politicians and what the populace will accept.

It's already happened.
Trump has done his best to undermine almost every institution we have.

 

[franklinstower]

It's already happened.
Trump has done his best to undermine almost every institution we have.

One thing worth pointing out is that this degradation REQUIRES that each side hate the other enough to compromise its own integrity and reason. The main thing we can do to prevent that partisan blindness is to refrain from hatred and anger and so keep our clarity and integrity.

Trumps main superpower is that he can divide people.

 

[zebby23]

And remember folks, as soon as DJT is no longer president, this will all become suddenly a terrible thing for a POTUS to do

exactly. Brown suits will again be literally Hitler

 

[MikeMcMann]

And remember folks, as soon as DJT is no longer president, this will all become suddenly a terrible thing for a POTUS to do

True. So true.

You can mark these words down.

If a Dem POTUS is next the same Republicans will call for an 'era of reform'. They will say 'these past few years have established we have problems on all sides and we need to go through line by line and tighten up all the areas of potential abuse and work in a bipartisan way to drain this swamp'.

Something they will never do while in power but a standard they will try and push when the other guy is.

And the thing is the Dem's will go along with it as they actually want these reforms. And then when Repub's get in again it will all go out the window, cut paste, repeat.

As @Jack V Savage points out a few posts up the standard Republ's demand when a Dem is in power are ones of not even a suggestion of impropriety but when a Rpeub is felonies 'pshaw, you really think that is impeachment worthy?'