Crime Trump to send the U.S. army into Portland, Oregon

Well, I don’t like the options you put forth and I will stick with my assertion that antifa is a problem that needs a response-but not the military or guard. An fbi led task force with some state troopers in a joint-task force would be ideal. PPB doesn’t seem to wait long for nt to engage and haven’t for years, so they don’t have to participate.

Ok, and that's fair enough; the problem remains that (misleading) trumped up fears about antifa are being used to trample the constitution, but at the very least i'm happy to accept you rejecting the idea that it should be used to federalize the national guard. Well, for now anyway. The other issue here, taking your idea (for example), is that contrary to what twitter and the Trump administration may have you believe, there actually isn't anything remotely resembling a large, cohesive organization here. Most of the problem "antifa" last time around were quasi transient anarchist types squatting in the same locations and showing up just enough to get everyone else tear gassed. And that's what we have now, just not aggravated and congealed to nearly the same extent. That will 100% change -dramatically- if/when the federal presence builds more aggressively into the rest of the city, particularly anywhere in or adjacent to the east side of downtown.

My whole issue with antifa is they’re destructive and violent, but a bigger issue is that they are preventing people from exercising their rights without interference or threats/violence. Again, this isn’t happening in the lit-up cop heavy zone, but the areas generally away from the ice building. No one should have trepidation or fear to express their rights because they are going to get followed and harassed, threatened, have their flag or signs stolen, phones broken, or physical attacks. And this last part definitely isn’t just portland. We saw it in LA when people protested the issue at the Wi spa where a trans “woman” with a large penis was changing in the locker room in front of a young girl or something like that. It led to protests on both sides, but only one side routinely attacked the other side. Then you have other antifa strongholds such as Eugene and Seattle and many other cities in different states-but the northwest is the worst of it.
See, this is something i've been repeating over and over and over for literally years. I was downtown constantly last time. I saw exactly how unpleasant this can be. Not on twitter, not on the news, not on any social media or word of mouth from my cousin. Me, in person. And I wanted to grab the nearest of these little shits and fucking choke them every single day I was there. But it's not terrorism, nor is it anything the regular non-military police can't handle. When something escalates past that point, then it needs to be our governor of our state making decisions about the national guard. And it vanished almost entirely from the face of the city when the feds, and particularly the camera crews, left. They feed off attention. But the Trump administration isn't railing against the antifa hordes to safeguard freedom; no, what they want is further escalation in order to "justify" further concentrations of power. I hate the crybaby anarchist chuds about as much as anyone can, but they aren't sitting on the SC destroying the voting rights act, or granting the president criminal immunity, or sending ICE to stake out elementary schools, or very obviously building toward using the insurrection act. As much as I enjoy watching the guy throwing fireworks get arrested (and oh boy should he), he's not raiding entire apartment complexes with Blackhawk helicopters and sending old grandmas across the country to sit in "detention" for weeks or months on end. There is one threat to our constitutional order here, and it isn't the stinky white-with-dreadlocks guy screaming at the federal courthouse in Portland, Oregon.
 
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All of that from a 14 second clip huh? Maybe, just maybe Andy Ngo isn't the best source for an unbiased version of the events that occurred.

Are you this fucking delusional? We literally see a person hit him with a rock in the head and running away. It happened.

Stop making lame ass excuses.
 
Are you this fucking delusional? We literally see a person hit him with a rock in the head and running away. It happened.

Stop making lame ass excuses.

If these clips are the type of stuff you base your opinions off of, you're already beyond the point of speaking to rationally. Fuck off.
 
Stopped by ICE a little bit ago and LOOK AT THAT, NO VIOLENCE, NO WORLD WAR 2, NO BUILDINGS ON FIRE, NO BODIES STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. No, just people hanging out.

Shut the fuck up

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But are you believing your own eyes?!?!?
 
Former general and head of national guard General Randy Manner speaks on trumps use of the national guard.

Anyone with half a brain already knows this, the exception being trump loyalist

Retired general talks about president's use of the military in U.S. cities​




"I mean, it's something where it's just so absurd. It's just - it's - if it wasn't for the fact that it was the president, it's actually comical."
 
she’s probably lying and making it all up …


It’s not a war zone , people live there and feel safe. Therefore it’s not happening


Majority of people do feel safe here. This woman is upset because the police and local government have failed her. That doesn't mean the military needs to be sent in.

Portland is ranked 48th out of 50 for cops per capita for large cities, have underfunded jails, and a massive public defender shortage. Nobody wants to talk about those things because it doesn't get the attention like the Antifa Boogeyman.
 
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Majority of people do feel safe here. This woman is upset because the police and local government have failed her. That doesn't mean the military needs to be sent in.

Portland is ranked 48th out of 50 for cops per capita for large cities, have underfunded jails, and a massive public defender shortage. Nobody wants to talk about those things because it doesn't get the attention like the Antifa Boogeyman.
Those are also issues but the Feds are to protect ice and Antifa is been designated as a terrorist organization
 
Has ICE taken back Portland yet from a bunch of dancing inflatables?
Imagine listening to Cankles McBruisey Hands ramble on about Portland burning while watching ICE watching twerking inflatables pretty much sums up Mini Strokes second term. It would be a funny joke if a majority of MAGA was not cool with fascism.
 
Majority of people do feel safe here. This woman is upset because the police and local government have failed her. That doesn't mean the military needs to be sent in.

Portland is ranked 48th out of 50 for cops per capita for large cities, have underfunded jails, and a massive public defender shortage. Nobody wants to talk about those things because it doesn't get the attention like the Antifa Boogeyman.

Military isn’t there. They haven’t been sent in. It’s just a lie. Everything is fine there.
 
All of that from a 14 second clip huh? Maybe, just maybe Andy Ngo isn't the best source for an unbiased version of the events that occurred.

There is a longer version I have watched that shows more of the lead up and the aftermath.
 
Ok, and that's fair enough; the problem remains that (misleading) trumped up fears about antifa are being used to trample the constitution, but at the very least i'm happy to accept you rejecting the idea that it should be used to federalize the national guard. Well, for now anyway. The other issue here, taking your idea (for example), is that contrary to what twitter and the Trump administration may have you believe, there actually isn't anything remotely resembling a large, cohesive organization here. Most of the problem "antifa" last time around were quasi transient anarchist types squatting in the same locations and showing up just enough to get everyone else tear gassed. And that's what we have now, just not aggravated and congealed to nearly the same extent. That will 100% change -dramatically- if/when the federal presence builds more aggressively into the rest of the city, particularly anywhere in or adjacent to the east side of downtown.


See, this is something i've been repeating over and over and over for literally years. I was downtown constantly last time. I saw exactly how unpleasant this can be. Not on twitter, not on the news, not on any social media or word of mouth from my cousin. Me, in person. And I wanted to grab the nearest of these little shits and fucking choke them every single day I was there. But it's not terrorism, nor is it anything the regular non-military police can't handle. When something escalates past that point, then it needs to be our governor of our state making decisions about the national guard. And it vanished almost entirely from the face of the city when the feds, and particularly the camera crews, left. They feed off attention. But the Trump administration isn't railing against the antifa hordes to safeguard freedom; no, what they want is further escalation in order to "justify" further concentrations of power. I hate the crybaby anarchist chuds about as much as anyone can, but they aren't sitting on the SC destroying the voting rights act, or granting the president criminal immunity, or sending ICE to stake out elementary schools, or very obviously building toward using the insurrection act. As much as I enjoy watching the guy throwing fireworks get arrested (and oh boy should he), he's not raiding entire apartment complexes with Blackhawk helicopters and sending old grandmas across the country to sit in "detention" for weeks or months on end. There is one threat to our constitutional order here, and it isn't the stinky white-with-dreadlocks guy screaming at the federal courthouse in Portland, Oregon.

Wow! It almost seems like we have some common ground. Again, I am so against military or guard intervention atm-it should have been in 2020 though. I think trump is and has been trampling rights. But if you would look back, I have been hating on antifa since 2016 and have followed them for a long time-for some reason, they both fascinate and piss me off at the same time. And I absolutely would choke someone if they ever tried the shit where they followed me around and threatened me.
 
Former general and head of national guard General Randy Manner speaks on trumps use of the national guard.

Anyone with half a brain already knows this, the exception being trump loyalist

Retired general talks about president's use of the military in U.S. cities​




"I mean, it's something where it's just so absurd. It's just - it's - if it wasn't for the fact that it was the president, it's actually comical."
 
Wow! It almost seems like we have some common ground. Again, I am so against military or guard intervention atm-it should have been in 2020 though. I think trump is and has been trampling rights. But if you would look back, I have been hating on antifa since 2016 and have followed them for a long time-for some reason, they both fascinate and piss me off at the same time. And I absolutely would choke someone if they ever tried the shit where they followed me around and threatened me.
That's great and all, but you're doing a disservice to yourself, and any understanding of what is really happening here, by free basing the twitter algorithm.
 
Wow! It almost seems like we have some common ground. Again, I am so against military or guard intervention atm-it should have been in 2020 though. I think trump is and has been trampling rights. But if you would look back, I have been hating on antifa since 2016 and have followed them for a long time-for some reason, they both fascinate and piss me off at the same time. And I absolutely would choke someone if they ever tried the shit where they followed me around and threatened me.
We’ve talked about Andy ngo before and how he isn’t a credible source of anything. Ironically there is footage of him doing the exact thing you’re upset at these anarchists for doing- going out of their way to pick fights and stir the shit up. He literally filmed himself with a cadre of proud boy’s on their way to pick fights with people who were minding their own business at a bar. Even talking about their plans for violence on film while walking up.
 
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