Law Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants Shouldn’t Get Trials Before Deportation

[Andy Capp]

Reasonable suspicion of a crime requires probable cause. Arrests get ruled invalid all the time because they are found to have been conducted without probable cause.
And once you are arrested, you are required to have due process

Kind of minimizing some steps there.

Reasonably suspecting you of committing a crime has rules to it. Has to be articulable facts that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a crime is being committed.

So, no, ICE can't just stop random people and demand identification because some person looks illegal. They need some really articulable facts to justify it. "He looks Hispanic and wasn't speaking English," doesn't cut it.

No, you're missing the point, and also not making sense, especially that last part; you're saying we don't need to follow the law because people broke the law coming here, which is absolutely asinine and flagrantly unconstitutional. You can't _stop_ a person walking down the street for no reason and then _demand_ ID and then send them to prison for non compliance. You tell me- who "looks" illegal?

The thing is that "didn't have their papers on them" comes after the stop. They need a justification to make the stop in the first place before they can even ask the question about papers.

To make matters even worse, I've already explained this to people on here--days ago even.

 

[Sinister]

I'd normally post this in the Cops Do Wrong thread, but since it's relevant to the subject of rights and due process, it always brings a smile to my face when a regular gun-toting American in Texas tells CBP to kick rocks, repeatedly:



Thia kind of incompetent thuggish horsesh*t is a result of xenophobic voting.

Also lol@"I'm not gay, why you asking me personal questions?"

And the officer referring to their guns "they're just given to us as toys, Sir, it's not serious."

Wow

 

[Andy Capp]

I'd normally post this in the Cops Do Wrong thread, but since it's relevant to the subject of rights and due process, it always brings a smile to my face when a regular gun-toting American in Texas tells CBP to kick rocks, repeatedly:



Thia kind of incompetent thuggish horsesh*t is a result of xenophobic voting.

Also lol@"I'm not gay, why you asking me personal questions?"

And the officer referring to their guns "they're just given to us as toys, Sir, it's not serious."

Wow

I'd normally post this in the Cops Do Wrong thread, but since it's relevant to the subject of rights and due process, it always brings a smile to my face when a regular gun-toting American in Texas tells CBP to kick rocks, repeatedly:



Thia kind of incompetent thuggish horsesh*t is a result of xenophobic voting.

Also lol@"I'm not gay, why you asking me personal questions?"

And the officer referring to their guns "they're just given to us as toys, Sir, it's not serious."

Wow

I love how he handled this but I'm a little nauseated by how often these shitbags talking about "high traffic of illegals" likely get away with fucking with people like this and intimidating them into allowing this sort of violation of their rights. Those people are fucking sick. And they're likely trained in how to do it.

 

[cincymma79]

I'd normally post this in the Cops Do Wrong thread, but since it's relevant to the subject of rights and due process, it always brings a smile to my face when a regular gun-toting American in Texas tells CBP to kick rocks, repeatedly:



Thia kind of incompetent thuggish horsesh*t is a result of xenophobic voting.

Also lol@"I'm not gay, why you asking me personal questions?"

And the officer referring to their guns "they're just given to us as toys, Sir, it's not serious."

Wow

Please scream at cops the next time you get pulled over. Seriously do it.