International Trump/Putin Summit

[hillelslovak87]

Fine, but why all of a sudden?
You see, the timing is just too convenient for me.
Russian and China are not exactly allies, themselves, so your assertion that Russia will not be an ally against China is pure speculation.
We don't punish countries that fuck with us, case in point: Saudi Arabia.
I'm not buying the hacking as being a serious enough incident that we just decide to go back to the bad old days of the Cold War.
My position, for the nth time is: Russia would be better as a friend than a foe, and taking steps towards that is a good thing.
Every one knows Putin is a bad actor, but since when has that stopped us?

Russia has been for itself, and itself alone, since the Rus rowed boats, through the Czars, through the Soviet Era and it's "reformation" after said era. They would find a much easier ally in China than the US. The reasons are so obvious as to not need stating.

Russia is a foe, and obviously has zero intention of being our friend. So for the president to cover for them when they are being antagonistic in violation of international law, this is an absurd position.

And once again, without measure, you resort to dualistic extremes for no seeming reason. The reality is the options at hand are not Cold War or harmony. Especially so, given the behavior of the Putin regime.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I'm YOUR War Room President. And don't you forget it.

Likes Trump

Finds distaste in a grown man acting childish

 

[Melas Chasma]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/16/chris-wallace-details-exclusive-interview-vladimir-putin

LMAO, Fox News is interviewing Putin tonight. Just LOL.

Is that a bad thing? Why?

 

[Gregolian]

I'm YOUR War Room President. And don't you forget it.

#NotMyPresident

#NotMyFFLeagueWinner

Spoiler

About that last one?

 

[Pessimystic]

I'm YOUR War Room President. And don't you forget it.

Not mine.
You're a canker sore.

 

[Throwin Bombs]

i would agree that the CIA has a looong history of fuckups and downright nastiness in pursuit of american goals abroad, just like the British before them, they are single minded in how they go about things, all the while talking up the nations virtues publicly.
but a British prime minister wouldnt fellate Putin at a public press conference he had called if, for example, hed just murdered a few citizens by poison, or attempted to subvert parliamentary elections with targeted propoganda.
im half in agreement on the crudeness of the reporters questions, it could have been done with a stilletto instead of a meat cleaver.

This isn't a terrible response, I wish people could take their hate for Trump out of this and explain a rational statement the President could have said about Putin in front of the world. Also I watched the meetingso I'm not puppeting someone else. The President skirted an actual answer for the question and did speak politely about Putin but he never denounced our intelligence agencies. He stated the opposite but just didn't give the answer that a certain demographic wanted to hear.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

That's adorable that you see it that way, in the face of anti-Trumpers claiming that this is the end of the world. LOL.

It's not the end of the world. Trump gave as much credence to Putin's claims as he his own intelligence agencies. You don't see a problem? The EU is a foe?

 

[regmma123]

Someone will get angry with me for this but with Bush at least he seemed genuine and meant well even if a lot of what he did ended in failure. For me Obama felt way too sanitized at time (if you get what I mean). I know it was used as a criticism but Bush felt like he was someone that if you worked in government you could approach him with issues or ideas and he'd at least listen.

That’s cause dubya didn’t know what he was doing. Obama listened to his advisors

 

[Throttlehead]

Tucker Carlson just said that Mexico is actually doing more to interfere with our elections than Russia because Mexico is trying to "pack our electorate."

Hahhahahahahhahahahaahahah breathe hahahhahahahahhahah. Fox the fair and balanced media. hahahahaha

 

[Pessimystic]

Likes Trump

Finds distaste in a grown man acting childish

I could do without Trump's boorishness, personally. Just because I don't act like a whiny bitch about it doesn't mean I like it.
I'm more interested in results.
Nice try, though, I'm sure you and the other blathering nematode thought you were getting a good one in.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I'm YOUR War Room President. And don't you forget it.

#NoHomersClub

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Tucker Carlson just said that Mexico is actually doing more to interfere with our elections than Russia because Mexico is trying to "pack our electorate."

Hahhahahahahhahahahaahahah breathe hahahhahahahahhahah. Fox the fair and balanced media. hahahahaha

Hurrduuuurrr, "You can't cuck the Tuck!"

 

[Throwin Bombs]

Drinking the trump kool aid I see. Intelligence agencies have shown bias and have been wrong but Trump lies about pretty much everything.

Also does it matter that anyone who knows anything believes Russia meddled in our election? Let’s just talk about this instance right here

The last part doesn't make any sense to me, if you want my stance on election meddling, ill just give that. I don't want any countries to influence our elections even if it benefits my particular views. All elections worldwide are manipulated by external countries.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I could do without Trump's boorishness, personally. Just because I don't act like a whiny bitch about it doesn't mean I like it.
I'm more interested in results.
Nice try, though, I'm sure you and the other blathering nematode thought you were getting a good one in.

It's a bit beyond being a boor when you side with a hostile nation's leader over your own government's determination after said nation attacked your electoral process.

You say potato, I say incredibly weak "leader".

 

[regmma123]

The weirdest thing with submissive trump is putin doesnt have the same language. Trump talks like he is in charge of a small country seeking good relations wuth far bigger and more powerful nation. Its amazing how his language to the eu countries are so different

He’s projecting personal feelings

He’s smart enough to know v.p.’s intellect operates in a different stratosphere than his own

 

[Pupi]

That's a rather restricted perspective of what I'm saying. Although I understand that restricting my point, down to that, is quite crucial to your counter-argument, which otherwise doesn't hold much weight.

I am very amused by you trying to cause distraction of the forest by pointing out the trees. You justified, and continue to justify, Russian government penetration into the electoral process on the grounds of "Americans do it all the time!"

I'm talking about the inevitabilities of the global world, and the inability to control information in such a world.

Previously, it did not impact America quite as much as it affected the rest of the world, which has resided under American influence. Today, America is also residing under foreign influence, as is evident by the fact that I'm talking to you right now. That would not have happened some 20-30 years ago. I would've listened to American news, because of the extent of your influence, but you sure as hell would not have listened to Finnish news, nor would you have read about Wikileaks, and you certainly would not hear about any Russian's take on the American election.

Obviously they are not stupid. But I would say that, based on what I've read of their "influence", it has been fairly minor. I would regard the influence of the Gulf states or Israel as far greater, when it comes down to that. Russia doesn't have the economic muscles to back up what the Saudi Arabians or the Israelis are doing. They do have the muscles to commit themselves to the type of phishing scams that got Podesta, though. Then again, so do I.

Nothing in life is inevitable. America gained a lot of domestic and international legitimacy as a hegemon following WWI and WWII. People were persuaded by American culture and yes they were also at times persuaded by American coercion (sanctions, threats, sabotage, infiltration, war, etc). American news had so much influence mainly because of Americas reputation. Reputation matters and American reputation is diminishing faster than ever because of the manipulation of the election and by the political spectacle created by Trump and Putin. If the influence is "minor" why is an investigation by a special prosecutor who was the former head of the FBI being undertaken? Material influence isn't the only thing that matters in domestic and international affairs.

 

[Pessimystic]

It's a bit beyond being a boor when you side with a hostile nation's leader over your own government's determination after said nation attacked your electoral process.

You say potato, I say incredibly weak "leader".

I've laid my position out. I think it is a reasonable one. You can disagree, and that's fine.
We'll just have to wait and see what comes of all this, I suppose.

 

[curryjunkie]

This isn't a terrible response, I wish people could take their hate for Trump out of this and explain a rational statement the President could have said about Putin in front of the world. Also I watched the meetingso I'm not puppeting someone else. The President skirted an actual answer for the question and did speak politely about Putin but he never denounced our intelligence agencies. He stated the opposite but just didn't give the answer that a certain demographic wanted to hear.

he has absolutely no vocabulary or nuance for politics,so what he said came across as kowtowing to putin, and has repeatedly ignored the findings of every US intelligence dept who told him they DID interfere, as a PR excercise it was a car crash. and he was driving the car.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

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I think the hacks are negligible. They obviously had zero impact on the election. I'm more interested in seeking a better relationship with the only country that poses a real threat to us currently in order to counter both a rising China nd a global radical islam problem. We don't have to be BFFs, but being mutual partners in a common goal is better than another Cold War. This isn't complicated stuff.
And, as I have stated multiple times, I felt the same way when Obama was prez, and the same for W.
Trump has nothing to do with my position.

Why do you get to decide the state sponsored interference campaign had no impact? So the rest of the population should be at ease because of your whim and the Mueller investigation should be shut down. Get a grip, you're a Sherdogger, your proclamations carry zero weight.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Like Texas ?

If Texas were to secede (sp?) From the United States, and join Mexico, with the majority of citizens wishing to still be part of the United States, and then after a Mexican revolt they voted to rejoin the United states, but Russia said the United States was bad for assisting them in rejoining the union they voted to rejoin, WE ARE RUSSIA IN THAT SCENERIO. Think about it.